I have helped several 1,000 people to rebuild their lives since leaving scio.

It is free.

You don't need to join any group that I am connected with.....as a matter of fact that is the only pre-requisite. : - )

Many of you have no idea what evil you have been subject to.

I have spent the last 28 years undoing what scio implanted into me.

The first advice I can give you is don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Most of you have spent years under suppressive management.

Inspite of this most of you have also learnt and developed many skills.

The second advise is do yourself a favour and write up all the skills and abilities you have.

Then write up all the good actions you have done.

I did these two actions and almost immediately things started to go right in my life.

Alan

Hi Alan! I talked to you on the phone and on line when I first got out.

I almost came to Texas to meet with you.

I truly believe that you are a very good caring person, but I elected to take your second peice of advice and got my life back on track sans scientology.

I don't think there IS a baby in the septic tank of scientology. If there ever was, it long ago died of methane gas poisoning.

I agree that scientology management is suppressive, but I take it one step further. I think LRH was the source of all of that suppression.

Maybe some times it helps to offer the "gains" of the "bridge" to someone who thinks the only problem is current management.

But the truth about LRH is even more damning than the truth about current management.

Hubbard was a certifiable paranoid schizophrenic, manic depressive acolyte of Alistair Crowley's satanic cult and a pathological liar of historic proportions.

I do not trust one word he ever wrote, more so because he made up lots of "loaded" words, and redefined lots of other words to mean other than their normal usage.

Fooling around with Hubbard and his tech opens a veritable Pandoras Box of confusion and evil, some of which may not be apparent until years later.

Thank you for posting here, I hope we can debate this subject, meaning I hope you are not here like some freezoners, just trolling for business. There are alot of smarter posters than me here, and I would love to see your discussions.

Glad you are well, all my best to you! Ladybird

It's a pleasure to meet you Alan. Damn good advice. I have admired you work for a couple of years now beginning with spending an afternoon reading and rsearching your organization. I have heard nothing but complimentary comments from others.
With any luck at all we can look forward to your input and insights.

I have always known that one day I might take my casual interest to the next level. Who knows?

Michael Greenberg (Umike)

(Message edited by umike on July 06, 2005)

You supplied a person I know some of the NOTs material. The result was multiple personality disorder.
Auditing BTs has been the cause of psychosis in many people.

Hi Ladybird,

Hubbard was Hubbard and he is dead.

A process is a process....and inspite that only Hubbard could discover anything.....life is one gigantic on-going composite of processes and I believe they existed long before they were attempted to be shanghied by him.

As for trolling for business I have too many clients as it is.

I have gone through every line of Hubbard's and the Tech., it is pretty easy to observe his intent.

One of scientologies and Hubbard's lies is that you cannot succeed if you do not do scio......that if you leave scio.....you will fail.

There are 1,000's who have left and who are doing well.

My revenge is breaking that lie.

Alan

I have to agree with Ladybird on this - there is no baby and their ain't no bathwater.

It is true that there are things that are correct in Scientology, if you talk enough and write enough then sooner or later you are going to hit on something which is correct but that does not mean that the philosophy or the approach are workable or even mildly workable.

Hubbard's work is a meandering paen to Hubbard, produced without heed to the cost to the thousands of people who believed that he actually could tell the truth.

he lied from the start, he lied throughout his life and (to paraphrase Harry S. Truman) if he found himself telling the truth he would have lied just to keep his hand in.

Never had NOT's material in my possession. I've seen it on the internet....

A.

Mike your preaching at the choir.

Alan

Hi Alan,

My name is Chuck Beatty. I was a course
sup at Flag in 1977 or 78 when you were
FSO public and possibly getting some ordered auditing or paid Flag auditing, not sure
about that.

Me and the black supervisor, my boss, Al
Baker, supervised you for a short time,
inbetween your sessions (if you were
getting sessions, think so, but not
positive).

You were the ex-Sea Org officer and then
Flag public, hanging out between sessions
on some sort of auditing you were getting
at that time, is what I recall. This must
have been 77, 10th floor ballroom, you sat
facing the back stairway to the 11th floor,
you sat near the center walkway down the
ballroom floor, you had your white bush
shorts and short sleaves white bush jacket
on. You were blabbing about some auditing
wins one moment, and gave me the excuse
you couldn't study or concentrate, and
were chuckling a lot (were you getting an
L at that time?).

I thank you for the above general advice,
glad you been/there---done/that on about
everything written in the tech vols, etc.
I respect anyone who has NOT been
silenced by Hubbard's worst directive
rules that have so harmfully effected
and still harm several generations we
both agree I think.

I respect all former Sea Org and
Scientologists who rose above the rules
and now speak out, saying whatever the
hell they wish.

You're in a whole different league of
Scientology movement participant. I
am happy to be able to talk with you.

While I don't support any "tech", I do
respect the kindness and decency of ANY
human being trying to help another out,
and I am sure you personally would not be succeding unless you personally genuinely
as a person wished well for others.

I think it all comes down to what people
wish for their fellows, and actually
doing something helpful.

Being a longtime staffer (1975-2003) in
the Sea Org, having met you briefly as
your supervisor, and then having as a
Flag staffer in the years after 81,
heard all the black PR material spread
on you for decades thereafter, and having
myself spread my own black PR on you, for
which I am sorry and wish to directly now
apologize to you for. I just wanted to
communicate and thank you for being a
part of the Hubbard Scientology history,
sharing your views and having the integrity
to not be silenced by Hubbard's worst
opinions turned into the harmfully
recoiling policies the official church is
saddled with today.

I've heard good things about you from kind-
hearted Free Zone people who I got no beef
with.

I got no beef with anyone who acts decently
and in general treats their fellow man well.

I think the basic good characteristics
mankind out in the regular world has
agreed upon are good, I think those
"stable data" undercut Hubbard's works.

People need to get out, see the world has
better ideas and I think people have the
goddamn right to speak their minds about
anything they wish.

Better to fumble around and learn oneself,
even if it means making an occasional
fool of oneself by spouting dumb ideas
oneself, rather than sink into the
complacent role of a movement member who
just adopts one man's ideas without
question, especially when one swallows
untold amounts of seriously wrong
principles out of step with humanity's
been/there--done/that far wiser wisdom.

Hubbard's world, once entered, eliminates
due to LRH's voluminous preemptive
writings, wiser human principles that
Hubbard failed to see.

Decency, honesty, operating reasonably
(not the 1984 Hubbard redefinition of
"reasonable" but the regular world
respected connotation), are
senior, in my opinion, to the all-
consuming detailed activities Hubbard
got his faithful to buy into to the
exclusion of these aobve principles.

Hubbard is the ultimate who, it isn't just
DM, but DM has been one nasty bad influence
tanking the movement more than Hubbard.

But it's Hubbard's worst ideas and LRH's
own personal Sea Org heavy ethics
behavior that serves as DM's justification
for DM's own disgraceful behavior.

St. Pete Times said this is so many words.

The intelligent people in the world know
what is going on.

Glad I have been able to speak to you here.
Glad this whole platform exists for former
members to come out, and exchange their
views freely.

Hi Chuck,

Beautifully put.

That 1977 period was my turning point. I thank you for the help you gave me.

I quit scio., at thatime.

I realized the tech was being used with a very different intention.

Scio and LRH had no intention to deliver what they promised.

I dumped my 10 missions and went out into the real world.....within 6 weeks I had aquired a $Billion worldwide corporation.

It was 1st class living, my own plane, stretch limo's and yachts for the next few years.

But even this lacked the excitement of those early years.

If anyones interested, maybe one day I'll tell the story of the great schism that occured in Scio in 1982 that led to 35,000 top scio's leaving scio.

Alan

Alan, I am very interested in your story.

I also think I know what you mean about the excitement of those early years. I was in from the late 70s.

I have had a very exciting and fulfilling life since scientology, but there is just nothing to compare with that flat out sense of purpose and cameraderie of truly believing you are saving the planet and giving your all toward that end.

If only it would have been true...

Hey Alan! Glad to see you made it over here.
You are truly a man amoung men (and woman and squirrels) in this whole saga.

By the way, are you still gouging people interested in auditing with Insane auditing rates?

Pit Bull,

Thats the beauty of a free market, you can pay someone a lot or a little or you can download something and co-audit for free or you can say the hell with it - its all nutz anyway!.

Better yet the auditors also have freedom of choice......

Alan

Ladybird,

What I miss most is the camaraderie....we were a wonderful bunch of fruitcakes in those early days.....though I think the CMO has outdone us now in the fruitcake department.

Alan

Alan: I met you at CC on 8th St back in 73 or so. I thought you were a helluva guy, and I thought this was what Scn would make me into! (But then I thought Yvonne was a product of the tech too... only to realize later she just WAS wonderful. ) I asked frequently about your whereabouts through the years, much to many execs emabarresment. Glad to see you posting here. You have a wealth of stories I hope you will share.