I'd like to echo Mick's post. And <yikes> Pitbull's.
"To my knowledge none of the above attributes can be measured, seen, felt or touched."
So to what do you attribute a being's experience of those "attributes?"
"Domination of anothers Spirit, Mind and Body is the exact opposite of OT."
Not in CoS as you well know. How does it differ in knowledgeism? (Partly rhetorical, possibly you could start another thread).
"Yet almost all of you who joined after that period went in and furthered the tyranny...not only that you made our lives a living hell.... You contributed to that."
"People like you." What the phuque? How dare you condescend and judge like that? One might as well ask you where YOU were when AIDS broke out! Why didn't you cure that Alan? Where were you when people were picketing the gay-bashers with their virulent homophobic rants?
Rubbish Alan. Bad argument. Bitter and completely lacking in empathy. But what else is new under the sun in Hubbardsville.
Do you know that while your hero Hubbard was writing to Brian Livingston that my ex-sea org friend, a young child, was in the chainlocker of the ship you were on? That her mother was in daily talks with Hubbard? That she had something to say about her unfortunately lengthy experience of this man before she died of cancer while trying to audit it out of her meat body?
You don't appreciate the same things that sucked YOU in to the CoS sucked subsequent idealistic and vulnerable folk in?!? That's the red flag for me re you, Alan. Your blame and shame game with regard to that invisible group out there who, somehow, with all the cult-inspired lawsuits and suppression of information generally, and even when it might have been out there, (proof please, name of news outlets publishing what you claim) should have come running to your rescue?
"Blame Hubbard all you want but it took people like you to further the horrors."
Oh that's really rich Alan. Others, who continued to apply Hubbard's and or his "successors'" orders while he was "disabled" in his pre-death experience weren't furthering Hubbard's agendas, along with him, like the major players following the tech they learned from him? They had to have something pretty rotten to pervert and "improve on" in the first place IMO. So. It was all the ex-scieno evil SPs who really persecuted you, really let you down. Interesting. Well...crap.
I don't see any "empire" having risen or fallen here at all. What I see is you opining on the one hand re Hubbard, and rhapsodizing about him on the other. Legitimate historians will give a shit about scientology, say in 25-50 years time (or less)? Dream on.
Tory, why should I or anyone else put grievances against Hubbard aside for Alan Walter? I don't get it. He's been in the "tech" game for a very very long time now. If he can't "handle" the heat he should have known would follow his coming here, then he shouldn't have come in to this kitchen.
I'm glad he did because of the debate his comments have engendered. I'd like to hear all of his story. I'd like to see a Hubbard tech-practitioner make himself totally transparent here. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be incredibly refreshing if it were to happen, and given that Alan has the tech on his side, one would think he would be more aware of the weather.