CoS thinks it's okay to scream at a pregnant woman if she's Sea Org, but Katie Holmes can't moan during labor out of concern for the baby's getting negative engrams. Seems contradictory.

I know personally 2 women who were assigned to the RPF while pregnant. The outcome of poor nutrition, stress and physical abuse was very unfortunate in one case. There are many more stories on the Internet as well about parents seperated from their children, or RPFed or declared or disconnected or forced to divorce while pregnant or with young children.

I also know one young mother who was assigned to the RPF despite having a 4 month old infant, who was left at the QI to be "cared for" by teenage nanny's and not allowed to be with his mother until she very wisely left the Sea Org a few weeks later. Both are still "scientologists" in good standing, and even returned to Flag for services after paying their "Freeloader Debt".

It is criminally insane what scientology and especially the Sea Org does to families and children.

The only explaination for it I can think with is that hypnotism and satanism are used routinely to manipulate and fuck people over, and it was all intentionally inflicted on us by Hubbard. Even the highly trained auditors think they are helping people. Only at the top management level of the cult is the scam fully known and purposely hidden for their own greed.

David Miscavige needs to get busted and spend the rest of his pitiful life in prison.

Ladybird

See previous posts

Oh No!!!!

Don't you start with the "see previous posts" thing too!

LOL

FROM NOW UNTIL THERE ARE ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND PERSONNEL FOR THE CCO [Child Care Org] AND THAT ORG IS SET UP TO HANDLE BOTH EXISTING SEA ORG CHILDREN AND FUTURE EXPANSION, THERE ARE TO BE NO MORE BABIES OR PREGNANCIES IN PAC [Pacific Area Command, LA]. - L Ron Hubbard

From the Flag OODs published onboard the Apollo on 8 September 1971

*Y*A*C*H*T* *A*P*O*L*L*O*


_ORDERS OF THE DAY_

THE PILL


After considerable data on the subject, any bad effects from
a birth control pill are handled by changing BRANDS or STRENGTHS
(amounts) and with these handled there should be no trouble with
dizziness or auditing, according to data from the M.O.


Therefore, please note there is NO restriction on taking
such pills except to report any odd effects to the MO.


The previous MO, whose data was taken, did not do enough
research on it.


As trouble has been caused by this, it should be broadly
known that there is now no restrictions on birth control pills.


LRH, COMMODORE
7 September 1971

[OODS = Orders Of the Day... trouble= pregnancies and abortions]

Oh how very convenient for Mr. Hubbard and his scam cult. Oh yeah, don't go takin' no steenkin' epilepsy medication (Tory), but yeah, girls, go right on ahead and take those birth control pills because it serves our purpose of preventing babies. We want to prevent babies because they take up our precious time and that interferes with our precious bank accounts.

bump...please read this thread, it backs up everything "blownforgood" is telling us.

Ladybird

This is very sad, very very sad.

What does the CofS tell publics? I am concerned because my former boss made one of my former coworkers do the doubt formula for having a baby when she first found out she was pregnant. She said that he kept saying what is good for the group and pressuring her to have an abortion. She finally said yes she would get the abortion on Thursday and he said good, will you be back by 2pm for work?

She did not end up having the abortion, but I am curious to know if this is something public Scn's are taught to do either through the "Church" or through their consulting companies OR if it was just this sick twisted guy who happened to be a Scientologist.

By Stephen A. Kent
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA
T6G 2H4

Scientology -- Is This a Religion?

(An excerpt)

...

"Because the attitude among some Sea Org leadership appears to be that
children hinder adults from performing their vital assignments,
researchers should not be surprised to learn of pressures that Sea Org
women felt to either abort pregnancies or give-up children for
adoption. My 1987 informant told me that when Sea Org operated on
ships during the mid 1970s, women knew that they were not allowed to
raise children on the vessels. Consequently, they experienced pressure
to have abortions. She told me that, "on the ship, I know of a lot of
people that [sic: who] had abortions, because they didn't want to
leave the ship. It wasn't like anybody said 'You have got to get an
abortion.' It was more an implied thing. If you don't you're going to
leave" (Kent interview with Fern, 1989: 41-42). Years later I saw the
same pressures described in a 1994 legal declaration by Mary
Tabayoyon, who became a Scientologist in 1967, joined Sea Org in 1971,
and stayed in it until her departure in 1992. She stated that in 1986,
while on the Scientology base in Hemet, California, "members of the
Sea Org were forbidden to have any more children if they were to stay
on post[,] and the Hubbard technology was applied to coercively
persuade us to have abortions so that we could remain on post" (M.
Tabayoyon, 1994: 2). The pressure came partly through what Scientology
called "ethics handling," which involved the organization pressing
people to conform to Hubbard's policies and the organization's
directives. Tabayoyon herself "gave up my child due to my greatly
misguided obligation and dedication to the Sea Org" (M. Tabayoyon,
1994: 4). She relinquished her child after being "indoctrinated to
believe that I should never put my own personal desires ahead of the
accomplishment of the purpose of the Sea Org" (M. Tabayoyon, 1994: 5).

Taken together, the interviews, legal declarations, media accounts,
and internal documents present troubling glimpses into the lives of
Scientology's most committed members. Sea Org obligations override
many personal and family obligations and responsibilities, and
devotion to the Scientology cause often appears to take priority over
the needs of children. Equally disturbing, however, are accounts that
some older children and teenagers have had to endure, along with Sea
Org adults, the abuses of Scientology's forced labour and
reindoctrination programs. Although several labour and intensive
instruction programs have operated within the Scientology organization
over the years, among the most intense ones is the Rehabilitation
Project Force -- usually just called the RPF." - Dr. Stephen A. Kent

The entire study can be read here:

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/is_this_religion.htm

When I was a teenager in the late 70s, I was in the Sea Org in Los Angeles. A friend of mine who had grown up in the Sea Org got pregnant. She was 18 at the time. She almost had an abortion because she thought a thetan entered the body at childbirth, so abortion wasn’t killing anyone, since there was no thetan in the baby’s body prior to birth. This wasn’t written anywhere that I know of, but we picked up this information because we heard other Sea Org members who claimed to be able to remember entering their bodies at birth. Also, "bodies" were often belittled. We frequently heard Sea Org members say, “It’s just a body.� If someone died, they “dropped their body.� In the book “Have You Lived Before This Life?� Hubbard claims that a thetan doesn’t suffer when his body dies, he compares it to how you’d feel if you lost your wallet. These attitudes were prevalent among Sea Org children and adults that I knew.

Now that my friend is out of the Sea Org, she can’t believe she almost had an abortion because she believed this crap. She’s thankful she didn’t have the abortion, and her child is an adult now.

Coerced Scientology Abortions

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/abortions.html

excerpt:

"Janet Honn-Alex of Planned Parenthood Riverside: I just felt that it was strange that they would all make the same decision. Independent of their individual circumstances, they had all made the decision to have an abortion, no matter how old they were or how many children they already had. We found that almost unbelievable. And when we started asking more questions, in order to find out their individual motives, because we were suspicious, they stopped coming to us alltogether, for any services."

Question.

What was it do you think, Ladybird and others, that, when this was going on around you, you just - what - what thoughts came to mind as you watched your sister Sea Orgers going through the frequent coerced abortion routine?

Did you think this was good per Hubbard tech at the time?

I didn't know about it until one of the highest execs had a breakdown after her abortion...and even then it was only whispered about within her circle of friends, all the rest of the staff knew was that she and her husband were busted and sent to Happy Valley. (Int RPF). I was shocked and horrified, and it was a huge crack in my Truman show.

It was only after I got out that I realized how many people this happened to. BG, you have to realize that even family and best friends are not allowed to share their personal thoughts or problems, it is called entheta and you will be slapped with a non-enturbulation order if you express any doubts or BIs (Bad Indicators) to anyone. Screaming and yelling and swearing are ok, as long as it is about "production", but talking about leaving or critisizing management is an instant RPF or SP Declare. Believe me, I KNOW!

I am sure if you read just this one thread from the beginning it will give you a good picture of how the cult coerced people into giving up their children. INT was the worst, I think, but the other Sea Org Orgs did the same.

I am so greatful to all the women and men who have come forward about this issue, by speaking out I am sure they have helped many others who thought they were all alone and have suffered greatly in silence.

Ladybird