Hi guys and gals,

"You are to behave politely and friendly on this message board or the administrator might remove your posts and/or cancel your account."

You all know me, how can I comply with this requirement, and still be honest? You have all seen my posts, and quite a few of them would mandately require my elimination from this message board.

I have been lurking since this requirement, but I really do not feel welcome anymore.

How the hell can I be critical, when I have to put every word I write on the gold-balance? As opposed to any OSA-goon, who can just walk in and execute.

The other thing is, any person like Tory/Magoo is not going to happen anymore. Yes folks, we are going to be a very narrow (call it elite, if you are so narrow-minded) group of people, gabbing to each other, if a registration is required to do so.

I cannot comply with the regulations, and I respect Andreas too much to force a conflict. So I will continue to lurk but I cannot honestly post (except for this).

Apollo 13! I was wondering where you'd been and a bit worried too about your back. Glad to see that's not why you haven't been here.

Now listen. IMO most of your posts were NOT impolite or unfriendly. I do understand your position on this, however. And it's true that since registration, this MB has shrunk and that is a huge disappointment to me, in large part because people like Rainy Day have disappeared - someone who was really in trouble emotionally and we were trying our best to support her and give her useful information.

My guess is the registration is temporary, until the Lisa case is over and whether I agree with Andreas or not is not the point (for me): posts (Slicer's) have been used in the transcripts and that gives OC a bad name and could Also turn people away from this site.

Interestingly, the worst posts cited in the transcripts have come from Minton to ARS and seem to me to "outdo" anything I've ever seen on OC.

But anyway, and you may not agree with this, one of the reasons this MB has shrunk so much is that you and others are leaving it. I saw a few posts from Zaphod on ARS recently (if that was really him - it sounded like him). My point is if you all do keep away, then your prediction Will come true "we are going to a very narrow" etc. group of people.

(Andreas is posting heaps of stuff to ARS - I wish he'd post it here, (maybe it's 'cause we're not asking him here) although he may have damn good reasons not to which I'm not aware of.)

So Apollo, we miss you. Please reconsider. But if you don't, Du bist ein Arsch! .

I'll respect that obviously.

Best to you,
BG

Will I get kicked off?

A13, many of us have been puzzled by your silence. I'm not surprised to hear your explanation, but I don't think I speak only for myself when I say that there is no real or good reason for you to feel unwelcome here.

I am opposed to the mandatory registration requirement for the very reason you just cited, and I told Andreas so, but no conflict was forced.
He has said that this regulation is for "the time being", thus implying that it is a temporary measure and not a permanent restriction. I hope that is so, and that he will soon lift it.

It has had a chilling effect; we've recently seen the phenomenon of the "incredible shrinking message board". There aren't any trolls or OSA goons to play with, and some people like "Rainy Day", who really needed counsel, have disappeared.

It is more challenging to comply with the regulations; one dassn't run verbally amok with such carefree abandon; one needs must choose one's targets, modes of attack, and slings-and-arrows with more care, but the exercise of self-discipline should by rights raise the overall quality of the writing. Before, some of us did have a tendency to get shrill and vulgar, play fast and loose with the facts, and indulge in other counter-productive faux pas.

So I, for one, have made an effort to be more "polite and friendly" in my behaviour (and still make my points effectively), and I don't believe it has compromised my critical skills one whit. If anything, it has enhanced them. And I have noticed similar qualities in evidence amongst the other regular posters.

So, I hope Andreas will reconsider the necessity for a strict registration requirement, and I hope also that you, mein Freund, will not continue to inhibit your own communication to this forum. We value you and your contributions and do not want to be deprived of your company and your voice. Gelle?

Naja, ich weiße - "Hau wech mit der Scheissse!"

BG and I-Loki, I agree with you. A13 I know you take this board seriously, as most of us do, and it is important that our best and brightest not withdraw...(I almost said "disconnect" but didn't want to provoke.) I understand your pov on this...but your leadership is needed, especially now. Please reconsider. Best...JB

Apollo 13: Somehow, I REALLY, REALLY don’t think that Andreas meant this for you. I could be wrong; but due to the reasons behind this new restriction, I believe that he is really targeting things that could be misconstrued (however wildly) as threatening towards others, or hugely vulgar things. Your posts are neither.

Do come back to us........BITTE????? You have been missed; and you know you are MOST welcome among the natives here.

Apollo

Andreas askes us to "behave politely and friendly", and you say "how can I comply with this requirement?" As if it is something impossible to do.


"How the hell can I be critical when I have to put every word I write on the gold balance? As opposed to any OSA-goon, who can just walk in and execute."

Isn`t one of the things that are supposed to be a difference between a brainwashed clam or OSA-goon on one side and a critic on the other side, that the critic can behave. One of the things we don`t like about $cientology is that they make people act irrationale.
Isn`t it a good idea to let the other side do the yelling and screaming?

Hey, Apollo13, Slicer held his nose and took the plunge, and he's got looser lips than yours!

One of the advantages of not having trolls and OSA goons anymore is that OSA can't cut and paste their ridiculous comments as "proof" that critics are idiots. And I suspect that this Lisa trial would pull them out of the rotting woodwork faster than a speeding bullet, especially as the trial date gets nearer. Now they don't have any more weapons against us, except really old stuff. Grit your teeth and bear it. Or get another nickname "for the time being."

Aw, shucks, Apollo, can't ya see we miss you so?
You'd only have to trim out a little fat- you can do it, we know you can.

Much can be said in a polite and friendly way that cuts to the heart of a matter; with your intelligence, I believe you can come up with some very droll posts. (As you know, I'm fond of droll.)

So please be a presence on the board. Pretty please!

How could anyone resist THAT?

I got another invitation from the wonderfully obvious Scientologists in Florida. They ask me to "Join Us on the Business End of Planetary Clearing". That is, "the business end of the E-Meter and planetary clearing."

This came in the same mail with an offer from a homeopathic doctor for a can't miss magical treatment to rid the body (any body!) of parasites in the intestinal tract.

And I thought, how appropriate, to be offered these friendly and effective means of lightening the pocketbook (the real end) through the lightening of the mind (the top end) and the loosening of the behind (the bottom end) all in the language of high pressure sales (the business end). There I would be, sweaty palmed and breathless, hanging on to the E-Meter cans, propped up on the can, pumped up with an enema, hyped up on the propaganda, with nothing but friendly thoughts in my mind and a sincere wish that the pipes perform properly in carrying my detritus away.

Then I noticed the monotone photo on the back of the brochure from the Scientologists, depicting two small boys in hard billed military caps raising a white flag over a bulging bubble perhaps meant to be the effervescent earth, which appeared to be boiling off a planetary penumbra of atmospheric potential trouble. It looked much like a propaganda photo of the Hitler Youth christening the smooth, phallic nose of an Messerschmitt with a campaign flag. This would be the final "putsch", the "big blow-out", the "theta clean out" that Man (hey waht about Woman, she dreams too!) has dreamed of but never acheived. For a price, that you must pay and pay and pay.

Yes, those Scientologists are on the Business End all right. They are standing by the cash register counting up the day's take.

Yeah, they're on the business end, all right, but you gotta watch out for their other end, too.

Bravehearts Girlfriend, I-Loki (god of mischief - yes, I read marvel comics as well ),Jarboy98, Saguaro Rose, Haarek, Freeborn, Friend,

Most of you got the wrong end of the stick.

I have always posted here as a registered member, and the e-mail address that I have put in my profile actually works (I will get the e-mail), from the very beginning.

I got involved here because I saw people being hurt by an organization who's practices are more than just somewhat unfair, I in fact consider Scientology to be a Neo-Nazi organization, and I have documented my reasons for this analysis, and also my own personal anamnesis for my opposition to Scientology.

One thing that I can do very well is "payback". Ok, I had my "back-attack" time postings and some of it was abusive in the extreme. You guys set me straight and I did apologise - perhapse I should have been a better cunning linguist.

It really confuses the hell out of OSA-bots when I turn into German-mode in English (see the "mistakes" posts). But I can only do this in an atmosphere of freedom. You have read my posts, and you will notice that my style varies radically.

My point is, that I am a guest here. Andreas is the host. I cannot be polite and friendly to someone from Scientology, who advocates something that I find disgusting and "Menschenverachtend". I feel that, for myself, the only way that I can comply with the "house rules" of my host, is not to post. If I cannot be honest, then I cannot be here.

So I have lied in this post? I have said that my style varies but I am honest - this just has to be a dichotomy. No, my precepts are contiguous, just the use of language is heterogenous (don't you just love techie-talk?).

The bottom line is, I cannot obay the rules that Andreas has set up, so I cannot post. My E-mail address is in my profile so if you need a non-politically-correct opinion, my inbox is open.

Jarboy98,

I am not a leader. I am, or have been, in this forum, a reactive instance. I do not allow me, or mine, to be shit upon.

I stand upon my right to be wrong and corrected. That is the entire purpose of opining in a peer-group environment, such as we used to have here.

My level of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) is, due to my family upbringing, very much less than I witness in my environment. This does not make me a leader - just less susceptable to bullshit.

Everybody,

I can't, and I can't not, and I can't not not. If I do then I am a hypocrit, and if I don't, I am nasty to people who have posted that I should.

Rock, hard place, me.

I read into what you guys had misinterpreted in my original post. I have now read what you have written to me and have noticed that in spite of myself you guys really seem to like me.

Rock, hard place, me

Okay, A13, but your straightforward pov, courage and follow through (regarding $cientology) is a quality I value and find in good leaders...ones I can trust, anyway. But, I won't quibble on the "leadership" label, you're entitled to defining yourself. I enjoyed and admired your posts, that's that. Hey, A13, ever think that by you withdrawing, by your self-imposed silence...the cult to some measure wins and we lose? I gently ask, are we in danger just a little bit of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" here? Respectfully, JB