The reason that these guys take the beating is that their whole life has been invested in in what they do. DM controls every little aspect of that and they all know it. They also know what DM could have done with them.
There are some people from the Int Base that have been shipped off to far away places never to be heard from again. Trying to fly back from some middle of nowhere country with not a dime to your name is not the easiest things to accomplish.

Anyway most of the times these beating occur is when these guys are supposed to tell DM what has been done to handle some thing or handle some flap. The problems start to surface and then people start getting whacked. Most of the time MY, GL and co have nothing to say which by itself, earns them a good beating most of the time! Now here is a good one. The is an actual quote from DM. He is talking to MY & GL about their "expansion speeches" for an event. The speeches suck as they always do and he tells them that "the only expansion either of them has caused - was with their dicks in each other's asshole!" This is an actual direct quote from DM!!! Since GL's wife left years ago and MY split up with his wife, MY & GL have been living with each other and the running joke has been that they are gay. They have been routinely questioned by DM if they are fucking each other.

bfg,

Thank you immensely for your inside information. Your reports from the top are incredibly appreciated and valued by one such as myself. You have my utmost respect for your candor in these matters. My 2 cents.

To all scientologists and lurkers,

No matter how much you do or how much you commit yourself to your "church" you will ALWAYS be expendable and subject to the most inhumane of treatment. Do not try to appease the unappeasable "church" GET OUT NOW!!

Thank you so much for sharing this blown 4 good.

After the immense media beating and stats crash CoS suffered in 2005, I guess it's not surprising that they're begining to feel the strain.

It's good to have that confirmed in writing though. And it's especially good to hear the little details and anecdotes.

Just out of interest, what sort of deal in the USA do very rich people get in jail nowadays? In the UK, for instance, chances are they'd just end up in a regular jail. Is it the same in the US? And what are the regular jails like over there these days?

Would Miscavige be able to buy himself a good deal if he went down? Or would he be cracking rocks in some chain gang with downstat drug dealers?

Wow! Most places that you would want to stay won't let you in without a return ticket.

Up thread you mentioned answering questions. I have a few mysteries you might be able to shed light on.

What happened to Mike Sutter and Lyman Spurlock? When scientology first went after me in the courts back in 1996 they were important people. Did they get a one-way ticket to Chad?

Another question is about Stacy Moxon. Nobody believes she pulled a 240-pound manhole cover off and went in trying to rescue ground squirrels in that transformer vault. Did you hear the real story? And was that vault feeding DM’s living quarters?

Finally if you were there in 2000, what did my pickets look like from the inside? When I started they all stayed inside, later they came out.

Fascinating stories.

Thanks very much.

Keith Henson

Chuck, I don't think it is to their credit because I don't think they *can* harass people any more. They just don't have the resources to spare.

Though as little as a year ago, they were bugging you with Abelson and put a PI on me in Canada.

I have to hand it to DM for driving scientology right into the ground.

Tom Cruise too.

Keith Henson

Keith, it's very cool that you're posting here. Many of us have been following your story, and hoping that things work out well for you.

I would like to know about spurlock and others too.

My guess is that they intentionally work hard to just stay out of the public eye as possible. If they are deep in the scam from a level of non-believer just in it to make a buck, then they would want to reap the rewards of their ill gotten gains and hang out in the swanky places of the world where few others can afford to go. They sure as hell wouldn't want to be hanging around Los Angeles or Hemet.

They wisely set up the whole CST structure to keep them out of the picture.
You don't even hear much about Davey, who is the lighting rod for much attention. Maybe that's why Dave has such a hair up his ass. He might have the "behind the scenes" men putting incredible pressure on him to kick butt.

Pitbull wrote:
Now that's an intruiging possibility.

Dave is just the front man, while the people really running the show from afar reap the benefits.

Question is, why bother to keep Miscavige around at all?

Lyman actually was on the decks a few years ago but then ended up going back to RTC after there was some "misunderstanding" about him being on the decks. Okat so all of the sudden he volunteers to be IRD. Wendell had been in the shits and over in Estates for awhile and was not cutting again. So Lyman actually becomes IRD and this last for about a year until he screws up and can never finish the finance systems for all orgs. He then goes off and Greg Hughes, Marc Yeager and anyone who thinks they can do it becomes IRD but not really. They just control all of the money, but do not actually call themselves IRD. Anyway Lyman was last seen "helping" on Finance systems without an actual post. His wife Carol works in the CD dept punching holes in transcripts.

Mike Sutter got out of the RPF a few years back - went there for a good 2-3 years at the Ranch. He was in CMO Gold for a few months, RTC again in the trainee pool and then in Int. Then he and TDV are told to go work in the CD Mfg Dept and they do. After a few days Mike goes back to post and TDV stays there until told otherwise. DM finds out Mike left and went back up to Int and TDV is still working down there waiting to hear otherwise. TDV is then brought back up to Int and Mike Sutter is posted there in the A/V finishing Dept! Yep - Mr. WDC/RTC for 15 years was stuffing CDs into binders and moving boxes. This went on for about a year. At some point the gene pool up at Int became thin again and they sucked him back up to Int. There he has floated around to many posts.

CST - I saw a post about that below as well. DM aint hanging out at CST at all. That place is also not doing so hot either. Russ Bellin has been at the Int base for a few years now doing anythging that DM can get him to. He is the one who basically ran the whole MKVIII meter deal and has the thing being mass produced in Japan. But basically Bellin was just doing his own thing and was not really on the main line flap lines until he crashed and totaled the CST Hummer. Sudenly he bascially was at the base alot getting fixed up and then he ends up sucking up all of the major crap the DM is dealing with. Anyway - CSt is not like some hideout or corporate blanket that DM hides under.

A detailed list of who is in the RPF is available at

http://scientologistsfreezone.com

Go to information and then scroll down to RPF.

freezone,

Welcome to the boards. OCMB is a friendly environment and I do hope that you come to be a regular contributor. In fair warning, I will have you know that the regulars have mixed feelings on the Free Zone. While most of us would agree that the Free Zone is better than the church, many disagree with the Free Zone with as much fervency as the original church. While I do not endorse the Free Zone, I accept the rights of people to practice in the Free Zone, as they do not engage in the barbaric and inhumane practices that infringe upon the rights of others. Still, some in here are independant scientologists or Free Zoners and, for the most part, are treated with civility and courtesy on the boards. Welcome to the boards freezone.

Man what a data dump



What's IRD? And can you put dates on this? Last time I saw Mike and Lyman was about 1997. I remember Lyman being *much* older than Mike, but I guess it was his father people found in the death index.



Holes in transcripts? Like to stick pages in binders? Any idea of what Mike did to get RPF'ed?



I never understood the pecking order at gold until recently. I think RTC is on the top, CMO below that, and Int (Church of Scientology, International). Is Golden Era productions part of Int, or something even lower?



Does CST have offices out there at gold base? Where do they fit in the pecking order? And why on earth would they have a *Hummer*?

I can see why Lyman got busted if the financial records DM gets are as bad as the ones I saw. Flag was the only real source of income, they paid RTC and RTC passed most of that money on to CST. But even in those days CST was transferring money back to RTC to keep them afloat.

Still want to know if you know anything about what happened to Stacy Moxon Meyer. For example, any thoughts on why her husband was not posted to gold base?

And do you know why Ken Hoden was busted to the RPF? I do know his wife went with him which is not common. They were at Happy Valley for a while then PAC Ranch then Big Blue where he has been for a long time now.

And if you were there for the pickets in 2000 . . . .

Very much appreciate the information here.

Keith Henson

Several X-Sea Org have confirmed what blownforgood has said here.

I hope some of them will come over to OCMB and tell their stories. The public really needs to know what is going on at the top of scientology...and what kind of a person they are giving their money and loyalty too. DM is a nasty peice of work!

blownforgood: what is the IRD?

Freezone 1: Disregard Furnmr's comments on the freezone.

There is no "concensus" here about the freezone at all. Most of the posters here just do not have a clue and are so far gone they cannot even begin to evaluate the benefits of auditing outside of the church.

Then again, some of the Freezone groups still have their own heads so far up Hubbards butt, that they cannot evaluate either.

pitbull,

I never said there was a consensus. I merely correctly informed him and warned him that he will face criticism from others for endorsing this group. Irregardless of whether you agree with such criticisms, they are present and freezone1 has a right to be informed. My 2 cents.