Quotes Archive 2004

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:10 am

You want to believe that all your problems are caused by adhesive dead space cooties? Fine! But if you want to believe that SPs can be "lied, tricked, relieved of property or destroyed utterly," that's the point at where the problem begins. -Barb

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:25 am

As near as I can tell the only thing LRH ever did correctly, in the sense that he did it right, is set up a system of indoctrination that many people find hard to break. -Grouchomatic

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:37 am

The documentary evidence irrefutably shows that they held Lisa down with rags tied to bedposts -- according to the killer's own "baby watch" logs, in fact. The killers admitted to police that she screamed to be let go, telling her captives they were killing her. The killer's own logs claim that when she attempted repeatedly to escape they captured her and tied her down.- Frederic L.Rice

programmer_guy · Post by **programmer_guy** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:54 am

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:57 pm

You mustn't make a mistake by assuming it's a religion.
What kind of religion has an intelligence branch?
What kind of religion has reeducation/prison camps?
What kind of religion has a paramilitary branch? (the Sea Org)
What kind of religion has exercises meant to make one a more effective liar? -Barb

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:08 pm

Hubbard specifically *mandates* the control of all business,
governments, judicial systems and every aspect of Society by
Scientology by *any* means necessary. He specifically advocates
the removal of any and all civil liberties from any but those
judged (by Scientology) to be 'high toned'.
He specifically condones genocide as merely 'necessary'. -Zinj

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:17 pm

People committed suicide because they felt compelled thanks to pressure by Scientology. You may not like it but I can point to the dead people.
-Mike Gormez

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:25 pm

You inform us that you feel Hubbard, the man, is irrelevant. The fact that he was a wife beating, boat stealing, back stabbing, check bouncing, Parson-wanking, phony war hero who purchased a doctorate degree because he dropped out of college is in fact relevant to the creation he spawned. -Barb

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:39 pm

Well, can you point out a case like Lisa MacPherson? I mean where they not just killed someone by neglect but moved in like a military campaign on the District Attorney to stop criminal charges, pressured his chief witness until she changed her testimony and incidentally was driven into a mental hospital by the pressure, tried to get the family's attorney disbarred, blackmailed the family's chief witness with death threats against his family until he made clearly perjured statements supporting the defence, and so forth? -Dave Bird

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:44 pm

The 'Church' not only 'disappeared' 3 of the prime witnesses in the Lisa M. case, but also 'disappeared' 3 days of 'baby logs' and then went
on to intimidate the medical examiner into refuting her own testimony. But hey... you can do a lot with 10 Billion Bucks. - Zinj

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:04 pm

For the most part Scientology Criticism isn't about keeping adults from doing any damn thing they want. It's about frustrating the 'Church' of Scientology's attempts to keep potential 'raw meat' from hearing the truth about what they're buying into *before* they're subjected to the patented Hubbardian brain scramble. -Zinj

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:11 pm

People in a cult situation will spend massive sums, dump families and
ignore medical problems. The effect is much like drug addiction, and
it is no wonder since the same brain reward circuits are being fired.
-Keith Henson

Hubbard's Mushroom · Post by **Hubbard's Mushroom** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:41 pm

One of the creepier or more bizarre events is the mystery of the dog that went glug in the night. The article records how Judge Ronald Swearinger, while trying a Scientology case, "came home to find the tyres slashed on his jeep and his dog drowned in the pool." It was never proved who was responsible, but it is entirely consistent with Scientology's methods. At any rate it has been much taken up and mocked by Scientology opponents, who have a pull-toy dog with waterwings known as Duke which they bring to pickets of Orgs.-Dave Bird

programmer_guy · Post by **programmer_guy** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:37 am

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson

hope · Post by **hope** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 10:31 pm

"This isn't you talking... it is the Scientology talking."
-Programmer Guy

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