Losing is not the biggest torment – it’s losing but not admitting defeat. The closest I can remember coming to it was when I was a little kid. When something would happen where I wouldn’t admit I was wrong, though I knew I was. And that terrible sinking feeling as I just got deeper and deeper committed to the lie, until eventually I was holding onto it for spite’s sake alone.

Fortunately though, then I turned like 10, and didn’t have to live that way anymore.

But we have $cientologists on this board living that way to this very day. And you know why I believe so? Because to respond here you have to read the posts. They’re not like some staff member somewhere toiling for 100 hours a week with no contact to the outside world. Oh some of them may be on staff, but their very job may be to try and foil this piece of the outside world.

But it would be impossible to read the posts here without knowing they’re true. Doesn’t mean they’re willing to let the truth run free in their lives, just that they KNOW it’s true. Thus they become like that little kid. Every day the spring winds tighter and tighter. Every day is one more day where somewhere inside they’d love to throw up their arms and just be free of this bullshit, and every day is one more day they don’t do it. One more day shackled by $cientology.

So all they can try and do is maybe see if they can take one or two people down with them, throw up some confusion, cloud the issues. That’s why they specialize in grabbing inane and irrelevant points and focusing in on them – anything not to think of the bigger picture. Anything to distract from the crux of the matter, which is that they’re fighting a losing cause.

And so the torment grows more and more. And they pretend more and more. It’s just a level of inner torture I don’t even want to know. But remember, no matter how big the lie, SOMEONE will defend it to the better end. Someone has to be the Joseph Goebbels of $cientology. A Torment I just don’t want to know.

Morsicle,

I must say that you, amongst others that have joined recently, are a very sharp individual with excellent written expression skills. I wholly agree on your thesis regarding escalating denial and desperation. To see adults behave like children who deny breaking something, despite the fact that they were witnessed doing so, is truly a pitiful sight. On some days, I find it hard to confront such individuals. At times, it feels like picking a fight with a toddler.

The one thing that is most alarming, however, is the fact that such individuals take such an assertive and/or aggressive stance and make even bigger asses of themselves. No matter how much time passes, they never learn that it is better to be thought a fool than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. This same lack of wisdom will be their undoing, as every day the cult loses a little bit more. It is only a matter of time before they succumb to their own cancer and venom.

My 2 cents.

Good point Morsicle,

personally I think that the answer lays on the incredibly high level
of expectations that $cientology generates in people, nothing less
than becoming God itself ( not sure if it is a he or she, sorry ) and
when one buys that level of delusions, letting them go can become
a real problem, especially after one has invested all of his/hers life
money, hopes and dreams in it.

But like our hero said once, " Truth can pierce the thickest armoured
plate ", he just didn't say how long it would take to do it.

One of the best posts I've read on this forum. Everyone can identify with that childlike feeling of "holding onto it for spite’s sake alone". Keep up the good work!!!

Wow Morsicle! I just finished writing a post on the "Abortions in the Sea Org" thread...and I wish I had read yours first! It would have saved me all that time and you said it better!

Welcome to the board!

Ladybird

Thanks Ladybird!

But your post was great. And I've enjoyed your posts wherever I've found them. Keep on keepin on! - Morsicle

Morsicle,
You made a great post. But don't underestimate the effectiveness of the Scientology Joseph Goebbels. There are many of them, and they can persuade and convince the most reasoned person to follow their ideas. My bet is that the Scientology equivalent to Goebbels (and there are many) will keep the fanatics following until the very end.

The Anabaptist Jacques

"Losing is not the biggest torment – it’s losing but not
admitting defeat."

When you are a praticing delusional scientologist,
you think you are winning at Hubbard's stupid game,
because you've lost your critical thinking skills.

You've been cognitively restructured.

Would that be cognitively restructured..or CAPTURED?
Great input Morsicle, but like AJ stated..QUOTE> But don't underestimate the effectiveness of the Scientology Joseph Goebbels.<UNQUOTE

I'm in flame suit, I don't agree at all.


Any Scientologist that has been "mentally reprogrammed" needs a lot of time for their subconscious (dream mind) to work it all out.

In other words, they don't know they are "wrong".

They don't just for instance come on OCMB and read some threads and realize they've been "hoodwinked". It is quite a bit more complex mental work to get through and around the "mental blocks" Scientology places in one's head.

Also, the average Scientologist has no idea whatsoever what activities their "Church" undertakes via OSA type operations. They are "taught" from the beginning to not trust the "outside" world, and info (entheta) contained therein.

They have no idea Hubbard isn't the wonderful and enlightened man that came up with how the brain truly works. <gag, spit, gag more>

Read some personal accounts of the slow and involved process it takes to get past Scientology's "brain-washing". I know very few agree with this, but it is your dream mind that exposes the scam to you. Your "logical" mind belongs to Hubbard when you're a Scientologist. No one can "steal" your dream mind. It can be influenced, ...but not stolen.

This is an excellent thread. Thank you Antique Hoax for your last post. There are many unknown road blocks on the way out of the Scientology scam.

These blocks exist in the mind of the victim (former member) and also in the social structure of family and friends still in.

Debate is part of the answer. I don't know a thing about dreams but there is definitely some kind of unconscious or emotional change that accompanies the change in the logical arguments.

The reward for debunking yourself can seem small at times. A kind of "now what?" feeling. How to find meaning in realistic expectations as compared to the extravagant expectations of scientology.

Scientology is such obvious foolishness to me now. - - Most of the time, anyway.

"Look at that wall, Thank you. Walk over to that wall,
Thank you. Turn around. Thank you. good fine thank
you I got that"

Wheeeeee.....
The tech "works."

Good little Ronbot.

I hope you weren't calling me a ronbot.

I don't think of myself that way.

No Winston.
I was making fun of Hubbard's idiotic tech.