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 Post subject: Friend at a Narconon facility right now
PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:55 pm 
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he's been there for over a month, what should I do?


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 2:05 pm 
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any one have any advice


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:46 pm 
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jump65

You need to understand how NarCONon works with their clients. First, it is a tightly controlled, high security environment. You friend can call out, but those calls are monitored either covertly or overtly. He/she must earn the right to call out by conforming entirely to the rules of the "treatment" and be compliant with the program requirements.

Calls in will not be connected to the recipient. The recipient might or might not be notified of the call and if notified, that is equivalent to being permitted to call out. That call will be monitored either covertly or overtly. Again, he/she must conform to the rules of treament and be compliant when conforming to the rules in order to make the call.

You can try to call in; if you do simply request a return call. Do not engage in any discussion in your call, it will be futile.

Personal visits are completely out of the question unless there is a coercive element attached: you are accompanied by law enforcement, you are the person paying the bill, etc. Client "days out" are out of the question until your friend's money has run out. In the event that an day trip is permitted, you can be sure that it will be arranged with the tightest of security.

Personal mail is likely out of the question since both incoming and outgoing mail are monitored. There is no guarantee that either incoming or outgoing mail will make the trip to the recipient.

Every second of your friend's day is scripted and controlled and that will end only when your friend's money has run out and he is discharged. If your friend voluntarily becomes involved further with NarCONon as staff or with $cientology, you might well never hear from him/her again.

IMO you need to make contact with whomever is paying for treatment - family, most likely, and try to initiate contact through that person. If he/she is paying for this out of pocket, then there is likely not much you can do except to try to make contact by telephone.

Others might have other, more specific, recommendations. There just isn't a lot of feedback from NarCONon "graduates" to offer more practical suggestions for contact.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:13 pm 
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Is this friend underage?
If so contact his parent or guardian and tell them to examine this site.

If not?
Contact a realitive of the friend and get them to examine this site.

More info would help.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:48 pm 
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he is not underage. I have called him and been allowed to talk to him. He has already been through the sauna treatments. One of the many things that has disturbed me was that he said: "I met a guy in here who just came in for the suana treatments. He's 34 and worth 60 million dollars. He made all the money selling SeaVegg, a seaweed supplement. He has offered me and another guy here a job in Boston for 50k a year and a free beach house to stay in". Apparently he's not coming home when his "treatment" is over. The millionare is flying him right to Boston and giving him 4000$ to get started with. THis SHIT IS FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:12 pm 
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Well, all I can say is that detox is a very emotionally-charged process. One's physiology and psychology go through significant upheavals and the results cannot be predicted. This is not even considering NarCONon's program, but just my experiences with AA. Frankly, the changes are themselves volatile and might go away as rapidly as they arrived.

Personality changes after detox are likely, especially those that might result in new associations. Pain and suffering of addiction breed strange bedfellows. Friendships based on addictive behaviors can be expected to suffer when one party is in a detoxed euphoria.

Abandoning one's former associations that were based on addictive behaviors is a normal objective of detoxification programs, since continuing those associations is known to be counter-productive to continued sobriety - it's the prime reason for relapsing. Remaining sober and having drinking buddies are mutually exclusive propositions as any recovering alcoholic is painfully aware.

Marraiges between addicted partners often dissolve because after one party is sober, there is no basis for either party to continue the marraige. This also frequently happens when one party to the marriage was sober and the other long-term alcoholic becomes sober and the former cannot adjust to the "new" person due to co-dependency issues in the marraige.

Your objective should be to understand and support your friend's continued recovery your own way since it is about your friend's future. Hopefully, this is not a way for NarCONon to manipulate your friend for their own purposes.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:17 pm 
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Quaoar, That is exactly what they will do!
First off, If I remember correctly there was a story about $cientologists selling SeaVegg as part of a scam not to long ago.

Narconon is a major recruitment tool for the cult. Some are not directly recruited into the cult but are recruited into one of their many front groups.

Jump65,
If you can you need to get your friend to review the information here on www.xenu.net to start with. The only way to avoid a trap is to know of it's existance. By planting the seeds of doubt now, before the cult can fully destroy the critical thinking skills of your friend is his best hope of avoiding falling under their spell.

Good luck.
If I can be of any assistance please PM me.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:34 pm 
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so are the going to know since I've been talking about it on here????


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No jump65, they cannot possibly know anything about you. You haven't posted the NarCONon location, your name, your friend's name, etc.

Don't worry; be happy.

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