Bingo!

Ooo-wee these are some good stories.Thanks.
I was a staff member in 1991 (and left in 1992),and reading about that briefing on empty Orgs makes me wonder.Could the Time Magazine cover story of 1991 have had an even bigger and longer-lasting effect than we realized? That story was a major event in the history of this cult.

Dm is a dwarf haha little man he is about 4 feet 10 inches. DM is smaller then a 5th grade girl. Scientology SUCKS. Keep up the good postings.
H.O. Tommy Gorman

I saw some of proflex's video about Clearwater last week. In it there are some guys in jeans and white t-shirts moving lumber out of a truck.

I thought that maybe if the RPF was working in a public place they didn't wear black because it is so known (thanks to the internet) that these are RPFers. So now they are disguised as normal people.

They briefed you truthfully about the empty orgs!? - Wow! - That's a new one. - Heh! - And look what happened!

Someone saw the actual statistics and made a quick doubt formula completion!

DM and those stats is mindboggeling... Here we have all these scienoes counting stats all day and being demoted and RPF'ed on the basis of 'em. Yet DM can ride above it all with his stats in a frickin' powerdive for 20 years!

Amazing!

Yes, I updated the site with the answers by you and others

Tilman

BTs2Free,

There's another guy who posts here who goes by the name Blownforgood. He worked up at Int for a while. Like you, he's shared some fantastic stories about how crappy it is to work "uplines."

If you haven't already read some of his posts here's a link to the thread he usually posts on: His posts start right about here.

Also, I'm copying and paisting some excerpts:

Blownforgood has said:

Isn't there a tremendous amount of resentment up at Gold?? --Davey the Douchebag gets all these perks and everyone else is getting shit on daily....Aren't people leaving in droves???


Blownforgood has also said:


Did you know about this?

Were you apart of the do-overs of LRH materials??

Isn't the tech being squirrelled like crazy???

How can all these guys be declared SPs and still be on post like it's business-as-usual??

Blownforgood has also said:

Obviously, if DM is beating the shit out of people it's a pretty big deal. NBC, ABC, CBS would all like an exlusive story about DM beating the shit out of top ranking $cientologists. Every single $cientologist would also like to know about this.

Were you ever a witness to any of DM's violence? If so, what did you see??

mb

After reading these stories, I really do not know what to say. I thought it was bad, but it is even much worse! Poor people who are still in! Lucky the ones who got out!
Thank you for letting us know!

Agreed!

As Kristy Walker taught me, when I picketed with her, an excellent
thing to say as you pass out flyers is:

"FIND OUT ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY:
IT'S WORSE THAN YOU THINK!"

SOOOOOOOOOO true!

Best to all,

Tory/Magoo~~

BTs2Free.....

Ok,

First of all, I find it amazing that DM and gang would actually show you
how empty the orgs are. I would think that would easily throw people
into Doubt, no? (I understand the concept of "Wake up and smell the coffee"...but that's got to be SERIOUSLY disheartening to people working
24/7 to SEE). I'm happy though, this is excellent news.

Now, re the COB approved campaigns, and on source......here's what
LRH's Personal PR told me, soon after I left (Laurel Sullivan).
I told her I'd been pretty successful in PR in Scientology. Here was her
answered:

"Yes! But YOU WERE NEVER TRAINED IN L. Ron Hubbard PR Tech!
For those of us using LRH's PR tech,
we were thrown out of EVERY Port we ever pulled into"

Soooooooooooooooooo "On source"??? Yes, they ARE on source,
and that is the Exact result of doing so.

Congratulations on getting out!
Please do tell us that story

Best!

Tory/Magoo~~

Kristy Walker was one of the main people I was sent to deal with. I used the name Nick,Rick,Mick and I would keep changing it every couple times i would see her to make it frustrating for her. I am sure she hates me for all the pickets at your place but I am sorry i did that now.

H.O. Tommy Gorman

Hey Tommy,

You're OUT...that's all that counts. People in a CULT do all kinds of
weird things that later they say, "What the HELL was *I* thinking of?"

Well, that ...by the nature of any totalitarian organization...IS what
happens. IF you had known the full picture, I highly doubt you would
have done any of that, and Kristy of all people knows that.

Keep up the great work, Tommy!

Tory/Magoo~~
PS: You just *might* drop her a line, and tell her you're sorry.
I don't think you need to, but if it would clear your heart, do it.

sounds like a good idea Tory. Kristy Walker I am very sorry I would picket your home and was such an ass to you .

H.O. Tommy Gorman

Tommy..........

I don't think Kristy reads OC, so I'd go to ARS, find her E-mail,
and write her a note. Just a suggestion, but IF you want to,
then she'll see it.

Nice shot~

And by the way, "For all the sins that you have committed, Tommy
Gorman, by the power vested in me, YOU ARE FORGIVEN!"

My best to you

Tory/Magoo~~X-Scientology Minister, Helping SP's and
X-Scientologists heal

Dear Tory, mr_bad and all,

Thank you for all of your questions and support. I have read many of your posts and watched your videos Tori. All of you have given me hope and inspiration in making it out in the real world and also for finding out about the REAL DEAL with $cientology.

As I am newly posting for the first time and growing some hair on my chest, there are a few things I don’t feel I should talk about right now, but I will answer any questions that I feel comfortable to answer right now.

I don’t want to give away WHEN I left the base. This makes it easier for OSA as they can then narrow the target.

I don’t want to say what posts I held or what org I was in. There are several orgs at the base, for all they know I could’ve been right there in RTC. And wouldn’t OSA love to find out?

And man, if I were in Gold, there’s been a LOT of offloads from Gold. Good luck sifting through all that huh?

I’m not going to talk about certain missions I did right now either.

But, I will talk about things that I witnessed where there were a lot of others around witnessing it too. Even though there are a few things I should make known, I have to sort out for myself the best way to convey it.

I hope this makes sense and that you understand. There are people who will disagree with my point of view, I know. But for some of us we know how OSA operates and the lengths they will go to to shut people up. I’ve seen it happen over and over again. Possibly now with more people coming out and speaking their minds, it will make it a million times harder for OSA to “fair game� and punish those speaking out.

I remember the base briefing from COB and Warren McShane about the raid on Arnie Lerma. We were shown a slide show and a video of McShane and detectives barging in on Arnie’s property and seizing his computer and materials. They treated Arnie like crap and acted like the Gestapo. I forgot what year this was exactly but COB and McShane were bragging like college kids who just got laid.

Although at the time I thanked god that the OT level material was now back in safe hands, I was still sick at my stomache with the method we used to get it back. I thought it was mafia-like tactics even then. I’m glad that I was always still able to at least notice the out-points about what was happening in Management.

I was a green-on-white fiend. I witnessed basic Scn policy violated and ignored constantly at the base. I wrote KRs. I would confront seniors on policy violation and usually the response was that I was either out FO 38 (puuuulleeeze! You cocky motherfuckers! Some of you SO officers think that you’re the complete shit. Just because you have some Gold on your shoulder you now feel like you have this power to just be a complete asshole and feel good about it. What a great status! I’m a legal asshole now. In fact I know this status myself a little bit, but I always LIKED people and hated controlling them. My juniors always liked me and my areas always got a lot done. Kindness and compassion go a long way.)

Sorry about that, I had to get that out guys.

I’ll try answering some of your questions guys. Thanks for the blownforgood info’s. Really good info and the stuff I know about is spot on. I definitely remember when Bitty and Yager were RPFd. There was a whole COB briefing to the base where Dave declared MY. One of the main points was that MY wanted to literally stop COB and not comply to his orders. Shame on you Yager for getting some balls! Now sit down dawg. RPF time. Yager was then the scum of the base and sent over to live in and clear out the swamp. He was literally groveling around like Golemn in LOTRs. I felt bad for him because I didn’t feel that anyone should be treated this way unless you were a child molester or something. He slept in a dirty smelly trialor by the swamp. Some of the base crew called him Swamp Thing for a while. Uwe Stuckenbrock was the armed guard assigned to him and yes, he carried a real pistol at his side.

I also witnessed DM beat up Yager. It was during the WIS? book evolution and Yager messed something up or didn’t get an order right and Dave punched him in the chest and then kept pushing him across the room, then grabbed him and literally tossed him out the door, cursing at him all the while, calling him an SP and finally being told he was being bypassed.

You asked why these guys like Yager, Guillame and gang – the base SPs can still be hanging around? My belief is that they know way too much. They’ve seen the worst of the worst and know shit that would literally make your head explode. They know that Dave would never let them leave and if they left, he would probably go full out to ruin them and make their lives a living hell. They don’t feel they have anywhere out here to turn yall. All those people know is $cn and they know that no matter how much in the shit they’re in, Davey will pull them back up to something or other. I’m sure Yager always though, “Maybe he’ll put me back on as CO CMOI again if I really get my shit together this time. And you know, when I saw him groveling like Golemn, I remember thinking to myself that this guy was a complete coward. I saw who he really was and felt sad for him. All of those guys are chump cowards and I swear, Davey is like some of the Nazi Skinheads I used to have trouble with in my home town when I was in high school. They were complete pussies alone but when they had their gang buddies around, they were complete terror. But business as usual? Well, if you consider the shit ponds the usual, I guess you could say that.

I also witnessed DM scream and curse out Jeff Hawkins and I heard that Jeff went though a lot more than what I witnessed. This wasn’t just yelling because you’re mad, there was terror in Jeff’s face and DM was like a vicious maniac.
But COB wasn’t the only person beating people up though. Why put it all on Dave? What about Gary Connelly and Jon Stumbke. Gary had been IG MAA and later the Dir I&R Gold. He was also later busted to Estates where it seemed he was able to chill out and be himself a bit more. Jon Stumbke was an MAA later promoted to Dir I&R, Supercargo Gold and then RPF? Something like that. Anyways, these two guys, while they were Dept 3 terminals were mad dogs! Completely vicious, conniving, rabid creatures. I witnessed both of these guys being both verbally and physically abusive on a number of occasions. I was completely freaked out they’d come after me for something. Gary pushed me down on the ground screaming at me in front of crew after a muster once. I don’t even remember what for. Stumbke threw me into a wall and screamed in my face for being late. All the screaming got old and started to seem normal after a while. I don’t think either Gary or Jon are bad people. I think that they were trained to behave like this. Gary was the first IG MAA RTC for the base run directly by LRH via dispatches. Gary was trying to please LRH and raise production on the base but the methods definitely included intimidation and getting people to RUN and never be idle. There are advices called the IG MAA advices from LRH to Gary. It would be interesting if those showed up on the net.

Steve Marlowe was also a nut job bully. I heard he’s out now and hope he’s changed his outlook on people. I saw him a number of times either shoving or hitting people. One time he grabbed Hans Huber by the ear and literally pulled him hard all the way across the room. This was in the Estates blg, which isn’t small. I thought Hans’ ear was coming off for sure. He jerked it!

Okay, yeah the books and materials are all being redone, revised, etc… I first noticed this when I started seeing “Based on the Works of LRH�. I even asked about this to certain people in R Comps like Russ Williams and Diane (forgot her last name). The answers I got were that there were either LRH advices or directives for all of this. I should have asked to see it in writing – just like policy says, but I erred too much on trust. Possibly a bad habbit. During the Golden Age of Tech evolution I remember COBs whole selling point about it was that there were newly found advices about patter drills and the proper way to train people and that we had it all wrong and that the GAT would correct this and finally we’d be on-Source! Gimme a freakin break please! There were glaring out-points flying all over the place. But like I said, the standard operating procedure at the base is to ignore and violate policy in the name of “production�, “handling Hill 10’s� and “It’s a COB order.� Let’s also look at history, remember that book “All About Radiation�? Back in the 70’s it used to say on the cover “By a Nuclear Physicist� or something. Hmmmm… Where did that go and why? Ha! You can even compare older versions of Dianetics and find glaring revisions.

Believe me, during the ’91 OEC Vols and Tech Vols evoltion, I noticed a truck load of PLs and Bulletins completely left out. Nowhere to be seen again. If you can still find the old vols, check it out for yourself. It’s that obvious. Look how big the type is in the new vols! It’s bigger to fill the blanks! Plus, we were up for days – weeks during that evolution to get them released on time. I wonder how easy it is to control and pull the wool over people’s eyes who don’t sleep? Good job guys! You’ve earned some movie tickets and an SHSBC jacket. Now don’t tell me I never did anything for you!

Okay, I’ll stop blabbering for now, plus I gotta run. But I’ll be back soon.

Love,

BTs2Free