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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:02 am 
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BTs2Free--Thank you!

First off, I agree with you 100%---in fact, make sure you don't write about things that only you and three other people would have been in on.
That also is another way they'll track you down, so keep it general,
and you're right: Too many have left recently: Good luck sifting!

I've got to run, too, so we'll talk soon. Thanks for the stories!

Stay safe :wink: Remember; They're really just like the Wizard
of Oz, and you, my friend, are one of many "Totos"!

Tory/Magoo~~ 8)


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BTs2Free,

thank you so much for these stories from the inside of hell on earth!!

People HAVE TO know about it especially those who still are innocent or unaware of the vicious intentions of the Int. Management.

Be careful - and keep on telling us what's really going on here. There are lots of lurkers here. Let them know about it.

May the good spirits of the universe be with you and protect you!

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Keep up the great postings of the true harms of scientology . Keep it up SCIENTOLOGY SUCKS.

H.O. Tommy Gorman

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BTs2Free:

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I’m glad that I was always still able to at least notice the out-points about what was happening in Management.


I'm glad for you too. Do you think most people at Gold were like you in noticing out-points. I know you couldn't converse with each other about it (who could) but did you notice by their body language or looks?

Also, a big thanks for this data. As public, we were kept in the dark about management.


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And another thing I realized was that although we were finally being shown some truth about the real state of things, we were seriously lying to the public. What about all these $cientology events where the public are briefed on international stats and how booming $cn is. What a load of crap! I remember at the next event being sick at my stomache as the stats were announced knowing it was a complete falsehood.


That is a very interesting piece of information. I am amazed that they would
show so openly to their members how bad business was, and I am very glad
they did because it contributed to realise fully what a scam it all was and get you out of there much more quickly.

Always trust your stomach when you are at a $cientology event . . . :wink:

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This truly shows them to be a bunch of liars and criminals.

Pushing to public to pay for their bogus charade up-lines.

Instead, local orgs (who don't deliver bogus OT levels) could
be providing basic auditing services.

Delivering what they promise at a reasonable rate.

RTC, Upper Management and SEA ORG are LEECHES to
the rest of the Scientology world.

Perpetuating the biggest BS and lies on the public.

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I think you nailed it, Pitbull, and for the first time in
a very long time, I fully agree with you!

My only addition would be that I'm not sure how you feel
about Hubbard, for much of what you've written previously,
it sounded to
me like you think he (Hubbard) was the good guy, they're the bad. Yes,
or no? Cause in truth, they're bad ~because~ they're following
his footsteps, I'm sorry to tell ya. Granted, I do believe those that
"Took over" did get WAY worse than he was, but then I read about things
he did, lied about, sent his wife to jail, etc, and I have to think, maybe not....maybe not. Truly, he created the con, they're just adding worse things to it.

Keep up your new observations! :wink:
((They may not be new to you, but they're new to me,
to read))

Best~~

Tory/Magoo~~


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Magoo,

Do you think that Mary Sue just "loved her man" so much
she willingly took the fall?

Just like so many other Scientology Zealots?

The whole systems does seem to be designed around
the concept of do whatever it takes or die trying.

Like a bee hive (with hubbard as the queen bee). Where workers
will willingly sacrifice themselves for the hive.

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Gladiator wrote:
Bts2Free wrote:

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And another thing I realized was that although we were finally being shown some truth about the real state of things, we were seriously lying to the public. What about all these $cientology events where the public are briefed on international stats and how booming $cn is. What a load of crap! I remember at the next event being sick at my stomache as the stats were announced knowing it was a complete falsehood.


That is a very interesting piece of information. I am amazed that they would
show so openly to their members how bad business was, and I am very glad
they did because it contributed to realise fully what a scam it all was and get you out of there much more quickly.

Always trust your stomach when you are at a $cientology event . . . :wink:


:yeahthat: SO TRUE with regards to the Church of Scientology.

Heehee, that's also the gist of my signature line. A rough translation (I forget the "official" English one) is "You can only see clearly with your heart. What is truly important is invisible to the eye." Interestingly, in French le coeur means literally "the heart," but in common usage it also refers to your stomach or "gut" (J'ai mal au coeur --> I'm sick to my stomach).

ANYWAY...:angel6: sorry for the linguistic diversion. The HEART of the issue is that when Scientologists follow their gut feelings, they tend to leave the "Church"! Keep exposing the CoS's "out-ethics"* to help more people listen to their hearts/gut instincts and take their lives back from this organization!!!

*sorry for the Scn-speak...talk about linguistic diversions!!! :lame:

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Do you think that Mary Sue just "loved her man" so much
she willingly took the fall?


I'm not sure about love........but I'm quite sure she was trapped
in the Scio/Truman Show, and basically there was no way out
for her.

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Just like so many other Scientology Zealots?

Well, sadly many Scientologists DO take the fall for the Executives,
and when I found out L. Ron Hubbard was taking medication,
for the Y E A R S I had to fight Scientology about it, I was pissed!
(And that was way after I'd left, that I found this out, too)

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The whole systems does seem to be designed around
the concept of do whatever it takes or die trying.

It does.

Like a bee hive (with hubbard as the queen bee). Where workers
will willingly sacrifice themselves for the hive.

Sadly, I think that's pretty much how it is, for most Scientologists.
And once you finally wake up, it's either leave and lose ALL of your
"Friends" Or dig your head back in the sand, and eat it.

I guess you know what my choice was.

Best,
Tory/Magoo~~ 8)


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Scientology SUCKS. L R H is a little fat weird coward and little david M Dm IS a DWARF. Scientology sucked from start and the little fat con make it like that and always will suck.
H.O. Tommy Gorman

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 Post subject: Re: Good ‘ol Yarns from the Int Base #2
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BTs2Free wrote:
I just remembered one of the final straws that got me to realize I had to leave. The jig was up.

Those of you who were at Int in the late 90’s . . .

I wonder if you were there the very first time I picketed Int? It would have been May 1997. I never got any feedback from that one, though the next day after Grady Ward and I deposed Miscavige there was the car chase through the deep sand story and that was the deposition where DM ranted about TR 1.1 and being buggered. Classic!

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/4/21/171516/867

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Is there any audio recording of the The Great Buggery Rant? How was his tone of voice when he talked about it?

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...he states that he will start up a 1.1 Club, including, qualifications for this for non homosexuals, is that there will be a public buggering of the leaders of Scientology.


That's stuff added for the Directors Cut edition of a good comedy.


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magoo1 wrote:
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I'm not sure about love........but I'm quite sure she was trapped
in the Scio/Truman Show, and basically there was no way out
for her.


You can be *almost* certain that there wasn't love from lrh to msh, late in their marriage. Perhaps it was being so much and so close on the ship that created a hatred by lrh for his wife. MSH was drinking a lot of wine in the early 70's when I was aboard the Flagship, and the *inside story was that " Ron hates the bitch". Well, I was not privy to the inside of their heads, but it is obvious to all that MSH was the the most likely candidate for the PDH ( pain, drugs, hypnosis) that lrh was so vocal about. Gods know that he was the master of the subjects. You are correct, Tory, there was no way out for her. Some who knew her would say that she just "pulled in her motivators". However that may be, nothing shines a light of decency on lrh for letting her go to jail for him.

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Well, sadly many Scientologists DO take the fall for the Executives,
and when I found out L. Ron Hubbard was taking medication,
for the Y E A R S I had to fight Scientology about it, I was pissed!
(And that was way after I'd left, that I found this out, too)
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I'm really sorry that you had to tell them that you were taking meds. I think you should and could have avoided the subject. If you were getting a read on it in the pre-session, you could have something along the lines of " I used to take them for epilepsy, but I am so much better now", or some such wiggle. See Claire Swazeys posts re her weight, dress size, whether she has children or not to get a good grasp on how to wiggle.
Fact is, at least 25% of the upper level tech terminals were taking some kind of meds. The only Dean of Technology in 1980 was taking massive amounts of aspirin for migraines, yet disallowing public from taking aspirin, and making that public suffer and feel degraded when they admitted to theuse of medication. It just seems to me that if one's purpose was to get up the Bridge, one would not tell them anything that was not their business, or would hinder one from reaching his goal. I suppose that mindset is what permitted me to get to the highest levels without any ethics handlings or other stops on my purpose line. That and the fact that my stats were consistently in the upper reaches of Power, year after year.

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seneschal wrote:
Is there any audio recording of the The Great Buggery Rant? How was his tone of voice when he talked about it?

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...he states that he will start up a 1.1 Club, including, qualifications for this for non homosexuals, is that there will be a public buggering of the leaders of Scientology.

That's stuff added for the Directors Cut edition of a good comedy.

Strained voice, eyes bugging out, obvious erection seen through the thin pants.

No wait, that was David Dirmeyer, postal inspector from Memphis at the AABBS trial when he was watching a scat flick of German women dropping a load on the floor.

Maybe Grady Ward remembers the details better.

Keith Henson
(Who has seen way to much legal weirdness.)


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