My personal "wake up call"

Dr. Donna Shannon · **Joined:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:12 pm **Posts:** 558

It's great out here!

I can't understand why anyone would support an organization that they have heard horrible things about, and say, well, I'll never join the SO- but they rush to pay and pay and pay and clamor for more!!

Another thing I don't get is when someone escapes-literally- like from the RPF at Int, which is apparently far harder than leaving FSO, then goes back and wants to DO SERVICES!!!!! What's up with that? They got it, at least long enough to escape, then what happened??

I saw them for what they were. I saw it myself, and I believe myself!

There are a lot of SO members who must be still deluding themselves. There are others who have already gone over to the dark side, and are part of the evil. I think that doubt sets in (how could it NOT?), but I guess some just can't believe it's that evil, or they are too hungry, or too young, or too scared, or whatever? Anyway, I truly hope that the non-evil ones escape and get to be free too.

One example is a friend who is there with his whole family- wife, and all his kids. They are in over their heads. If they "talk to each other", they will be separated. The wife, who must have been a really cool person once, has gone over the edge. The kids have been there since a very young age. I KNOW that he wants out- but if he goes, he will lose them all. It just breaks my heart. Actually, he has already lost them all. If he stays, he is lost. If he goes, they are lost to him. How evil and horrible!

clamdigrr · **Joined:** Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:41 pm **Posts:** 2027

Dr. Shannon wrote:

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If he stays, he is lost. If he goes, they are lost to him. How evil and horrible!

Thank you for sharing your story and the truth about 'how it is'. I could elaborate, but I think that's enough.

Thank you.

tommygormanxenu · **Posted:** Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:14 am

Dr. Donna Shannon Great posting it is very clear you have a lot of great info on very good stuff on scientology . Keep posting it.

Everyone keep telling the true harms of scientology . Scientology does not think we will speak out and really does not want us too at all . It is called BAD PR but we really know that just means Truth about how scientology really is so lets put the cult of scientology in its place by speaking the true harms of scientology . SCIENTOLOGY SUCKS .
H.O. Tommy Gorman

Gladiator · **Posted:** Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:34 pm

Dr Shannon wrote:

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One example is a friend who is there with his whole family- wife, and all his kids. They are in over their heads. If they "talk to each other", they will be separated. The wife, who must have been a really cool person once, has gone over the edge. The kids have been there since a very young age. I KNOW that he wants out- but if he goes, he will lose them all. It just breaks my heart. Actually, he has already lost them all. If he stays, he is lost. If he goes, they are lost to him. How evil and horrible!

This example unfortunately encapsulates very well one of the main reasons why people find it hard to leave this criminal organization, the system of controls through blackmails, intimidation and lies all combine to make it very, very hard to leave once caught into the trap.

It is very difficult to realise the true extent of $cientology's evil and criminal behaviour in the first place, because of the constant lies and
suppression of truth, and the way that members are kept as insulated as
possible from reality, so that alone goes a long way into preventing people from leaving and when to that you add the fear of "losing their eternity", the guilt of not doing their "part to save the world", the mind control in all its forms, the constant mental and physical threats and intimidations, the mental delusions and being often cut off from family and friends because they are "wogs" or, like in the case of your friend, becoming cut off from them because they are in $cientology , then the picture of why it is difficult to leave becomes much clearer.

The evil that $cientology is capable of can be truly heartbreaking and infuriating so, the sooner we can bring them to stop it, the better.

James · **Joined:** Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:30 pm **Posts:** 438

Hello Dr. Donna Shannon

I want to really wholeheartedly thank you for sharing your experiences here with us! Hopefully your story will help some other people to get out - or prevent others from joining.

All the best for you and your husband!

James

magitad · **Joined:** Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:53 pm **Posts:** 147

Gladiator wrote:

Dr Shannon wrote:

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One example is a friend who is there with his whole family- wife, and all his kids. They are in over their heads. If they "talk to each other", they will be separated. The wife, who must have been a really cool person once, has gone over the edge. The kids have been there since a very young age. I KNOW that he wants out- but if he goes, he will lose them all. It just breaks my heart. Actually, he has already lost them all. If he stays, he is lost. If he goes, they are lost to him. How evil and horrible!

This example unfortunately encapsulates very well one of the main reasons why people find it hard to leave this criminal organization, the system of controls through blackmails, intimidation and lies all combine to make it very, very hard to leave once caught into the trap.

It is very difficult to realise the true extent of $cientology's evil and criminal behaviour in the first place, because of the constant lies and
suppression of truth, and the way that members are kept as insulated as
possible from reality, so that alone goes a long way into preventing people from leaving and when to that you add the fear of "losing their eternity", the guilt of not doing their "part to save the world", the mind control in all its forms, the constant mental and physical threats and intimidations, the mental delusions and being often cut off from family and friends because they are "wogs" or, like in the case of your friend, becoming cut off from them because they are in $cientology , then the picture of why it is difficult to leave becomes much clearer.

The evil that $cientology is capable of can be truly heartbreaking and infuriating so, the sooner we can bring them to stop it, the better.

Gladiator, I hope you don't mind if I borrow heavily from this post in a post I'm making on a.r.s. These insights can help others understand who have nothing like this in their experience.

mr_bad · **Joined:** Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:00 pm **Posts:** 2589

Hi Dr. Shannon,

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Another thing I don't get is when someone escapes-literally- like from the RPF at Int, which is apparently far harder than leaving FSO, then goes back and wants to DO SERVICES!!!!! What's up with that? They got it, at least long enough to escape, then what happened??

$cientologists are suffering from delusions. They're searching for this "holy grail moment" where their case is going to be completely "cracked" and they'll be able to float effortlessly along without ever having to deal with the harsh realities of life. Of course, it's never going to happen, but once it's implanted into someone that it "just might happen" ---people will do just about anything to get it.

That's how we start to see people throwing away their basic Human Rights in pursuit of a false dream.

People who were once completely free to do whatever they want now:

1. Have to ask permission to have a day off.
2. Have to figure out how they are going to make up for lost course time.
3. Deny themself a fair wage.
4. Deny themself quality time with ther family.
5. Follow orders from total strangers.
6. Subject themself to a rape of personal finances.
7. Accept without questioning everything they are being told.
8. Can't speak to someone because someone says you can't.
9. Accept unwanted communications.
10. Hold in contempt decent people who aren't part of the group.
11. Needlessly work for the sake of being productive.
12. Never take a vacation.
13. Take reprimands from people who couldn't care less about them.
14. Give up a right to a fair trial.
15. Eat unacceptable food.
16. Live in unacceptable living conditions.
17. Wear unnacceptable clothing.
18. Answer questions they don't have to answer.
19. Deny themself access to information that will allow them to see how much freedom they've lost.

Of course there's more. The list goes on and on.

The point is this--people were already free. $cientology implanted a false dream and turned them into a slave.

mb

Gladiator · **Posted:** Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:12 pm

Magitad wrote:

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Gladiator, I hope you don't mind if I borrow heavily from this post in a post I'm making on a.r.s. These insights can help others understand who have nothing like this in their experience.

Not at all, be my guest.

I'mglib · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:17 pm **Posts:** 4970

This is the most riveting thread I've read on OCMB. Thank-you Dr. Shannon, and thank-you to all of you who added to this thread.

tommygormanxenu · **Posted:** Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:27 am

Hey great job on your posting and keep up the great work k. Everyone keep telling the true harms of scientology . Scientology does not think we will speak out and really does not want us too at all . It is called BAD PR but we really know that just means Truth about how scientology really is so lets put the cult of scientology in its place by speaking the true harms of scientology . SCIENTOLOGY SUCKS .
H.O. Tommy Gorman

jax · **Joined:** Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:31 pm **Posts:** 867

Dr. Donna Shannon wrote:

While in the SO, confusion rules, even if you're tough and willing to believe in yourself. So, I can't say that I saw that all the "tech" was bullshit right then. Pieces of the puzzle fell into place later, after I was away from that environment, when I had enough sleep, and food. The first day out was great! I ate and ate and ate!! I lost 30 pounds in 2 months there. I was, without a doubt, malnourished. I had a huge ridge in my big toenail that marked the entry into the SO, and the escape. We slept and swam in the pool and just enjoyed being alive. I will say, again, that I never once missed the sessions AT ALL. I didn't even realize for about a week that I hadn't gone in session- then I thought, HOW GREAT! FREEDOM AT LAST!

Amen to that Dr. Shannon!
The first day I was free I slept in, ate food all day & drank a beer for the first time in years without having to worry about "answering" for it later on. It was great!
I am soooooooo glad you & your husband are free too!

Dr. Donna Shannon wrote:

My opinion of the "tech" is this: it is all a control mechanism. From day one, you are asked what you ate and told what to eat. Etc. You have to sit and wait and wait for the auditor. It's a light gradient, but realize that a lot of those things LRH talks about, like the "gradient scale", is being used on you as you are learning about it! HA HA the joke's on you!!

I couldn't agree with you more. That includes, without a doubt, the "ethics tech", which is in place totally for control measures only.
When I finally stopped & really questioned how it was that the church was controlling every aspect of my life, including my thoughts, that was the beginning of the end for my "career" in the church.
It is definitely, by design, something that takes place gradually.
At some point, the church will get just plain outrageous with its demands & thats when the light bulb starts to come on. Of course by that time the church fully expects any commitment on your part to be carried out (or in my case, renewed), no matter how "out exchange" the church is & has been all along. You belong to the them, just like the furniture.
Also, it is well known that leaving will be, to say the least, difficult.

Dr. Donna Shannon wrote:

We were told that we had to sign some forms before we could go. It took hours for them to get the forms. We signed some but not all- for example, that we couldn't come to the Tampa Bay area without telling them first! Give me a break!! But, anything I signed was DEFINITELY under duress.

This blew me away! How absurd!!
The church presented you with papers that demanded you "report" to them whenever you were in the Tampa Bay area????
WTF??
That is another clear illustration of how much control the church WISHES it can command over its members & even its EX-MEMBERS!
The audacity is unbelievable.

Dr. Donna Shannon wrote:

After we loaded the truck, they said they had to "inspect" our stuff to make sure we weren't stealing anything!! I told them earlier, that if they wanted to do that, do it while we are gone. The guard tried to make us unpack everything. I told him to go to hell. We left. And here we are!

Hahahaaa!!
AS IF the church had anything of value worth stealing! Another prime example of an attempt to control & also to degrade. I am so happy you told them to go to hell. :lol:

I say this to you in a good way (not in the LRH way)
"May you never be the same again"!!

Dr. Donna Shannon · **Joined:** Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:12 pm **Posts:** 558

Not only did they try to make use agree to let them know itf we came in the area, they also tried to stipulate that we would pay them $10,000 or some absurdity if we violated this agreement!!!! Of course we didn't agree to that one either!

Yes, it is nice to decide to have a glass of wine or take an aspirin if I want to.

I guess they figure if you are brainwashed enough to buy a safe and glue and bolt it to your floor, and to agree that you can't go anywhere without notifying the C/S, or take your "ball and chain" (solonots materials) with you, that they still have a shot at controlling you. All you guys who are out there yearing to be a "Solo NOTS" auditor, just realize that the top of the bridge requires almost total brainwashing. Also, there IS NO SECRET- it's all on the internet, it's just "BTs" and more "BTs" so PLEASE, DON'T GO THERE!!!

In fact, another thing that made me question all this crap was that when the "completions" on OT VII were doing the final solo sessions, they were told not to "look too far away" for more BTs, since the EP is "no more BTs". (Wasn't that the EP of OT III?????)

ami · **Posted:** Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:29 pm

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In fact, another thing that made me question all this crap was that when the "completions" on OT VII were doing the final solo sessions, they were told not to "look too far away" for more BTs, since the EP is "no more BTs". (Wasn't that the EP of OT III?????)

How remarkable. I suppose (since BT's are movable) it gives them an excuse to bring people back in and make them have another go.

On III, that ep was modified to "all accessible...". I supppose VII is really that too. IMO that isn't in fact the ep anyway.

Roland

Don Carlo · **Joined:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:20 am **Posts:** 8092

When CoS controls when you eat, you are particularly "non-free." Cesar Milan, on the cable show "The Dog Whisperer," has to feed his large pack of dogs in complete harmony. He very carefully controls how and when each of his dogs eat, to make them properly acknowledge Cesar as "pack leader." This is good crowd control for a pack of big dogs but is demeaning for a Sea Org member not getting enough to eat, or a public member forcing himself to eat, and denying himself a beer, in preparation for auditing.

Don't be the bottom dog in the CoS pack! Quit, eat when YOU want, and be your own master.

jax · **Joined:** Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:31 pm **Posts:** 867

Dr. Donna Shannon wrote:

Not only did they try to make use agree to let them know itf we came in the area, they also tried to stipulate that we would pay them $10,000 or some absurdity if we violated this agreement!!!! Of course we didn't agree to that one either!

OMG!
So now the CofS thinks it can draw up its very own "restraining orders" AND include monetary penalties for "violations" without any legal representation or any authority of any kind present to explain such nonsense?? :clown:

They OBVIOUSLY overlooked the"Go To Hell" clause that is available for anyone undergoing such manufactured legal manipulation.
Good thing you took full advantage of that clause Dr. Shannon! :thumright:

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