This was a reply to deceptive arguer on ars...
You may not know those in clinical terms, hell I didn't know about
them at all until I read Erickson's works...
You may know them by the term the sakti
Telling a story
that makes no sense
is a technique
used to invoke
The technque consists of
stating a few nonsensical things
quickly after a while the listener
so much wants your words to
have meaning that they will seize on
whatever you say next..
entranced... in a trance state
and that idea goes directly into the
and there you put
the key lie pie
and serve it to all comers
and the crowd you draw
serves as defacto proof
that your story rings true
Well JOE thinks so!
It must be TRUE!
the problem with liars in general
even experienced cons
is that a con will get someone's
and then whisper to them lies...
All one has to do is prove ONE LIE
and everything else is called into question
The reason they seem to hold so fast to
to their 'beliefs" is that the false
ideas have been implanted directly into
the persons subconscious..
While he was looking at the pretty girl on stage,
the reactive mind that isnt there
IN order to tie all this together
my parting thought, as opposed to your parting shot
Liars are all people who have found that it is easier to make a living
lying than it is to make a living honestly.
The downside to lying for a living is that you need
to expell form the group anyone who realizes you are lying...
or they might wake up the rest of them,
and then they will destroy you..
Hubbard uses deceptive techniques to make good honest folks
credulous folks, believe falsehoods. He does this by first telling you
unverifiable ( at first glance) outrageous lies, that elevate his
altitude to extraordinary hieghts, so that you have CONFIDENCE
in his words.... he becomes an authority... the authroty above all authorities in the History of Man!
The falsehoods are used to reduce any further objections from the target of the CON to items of ridicule and mockery.
Its just your reactive mind.
Your Reactive mind doesnt want you to go clear...
These are the techniques that make scientologists into scientologists.
And Scientology doesn't work
Deceptive practices work...
Lies work (until they get found out)
Selective display of data
and concealing key evidence works
Liars also have another challenge, they have to keep track of everything they told everybody... they must track everything, moniter everyting.. much like scientology does.
Now, if a man were to start trying to explain these techniques
to protect people from scientology... it would follow that
Someone who was profiting from the use of those same deceptive
techniques sans the scientological lingo..might be prompted into all
sorts of displays to make nothing of that mans efforts to teach them
how Hubbard conned them out of their lives, and fortunes, for a
For more information on covert hypnosis in scientology and out of it
give this thread a read... it is absolutely fascinating stuff, and
combined with the endorphin theory, it has set two long time
scientologists free in the last 5 days...
Maybe you will learn something from it of use in avoiding being conned
by those who profit from deception.
Liars are just people who have found that it is easier to make a
living lying than it is to make a living honestly, people who have
found it easier to cheat someone out of a fortune than to actually
produce something of value.
To them, life is just a game.
A CON game!!