I got too many PMs to reply to everyone, so I'll give a brief outline here and hopefully that will be enough to put it to rest.

There is a lot more background info but these are the basics.

I talked to KG on yahoo and prevail on msn. This used to be different but in the last month or so this was how it was.

A day or so before I found out for sure, my suspicion was raised because the language was starting to become interchangable.

Anyone who has spoken to either of these "two" would realise they HAD quite different ways of speaking. Prevail was all cliched cockney and bravado while KG was quiet and wise and talked like a character out of the Kung Fu TV series.

Over time these personalities began to become blurred. I guess he got sloppy because he felt safe.

About a week ago it occured to me that I'd never actually spoken to both of them at the same time. This alone was a disturbing realisation. Then, out of the blue the next day they were both on line at the same time!

Initially this put my mind at ease. My first thought was "phew, I was wrong". But then as I began to talk to "both" of them, I noticed something. Not once in the hour or two that I was talking to both of them were they typing at the same time. On both msn and yahoo you can see when the other person is typing. This is handy as it stops you interupting the other person or wondering if they are still talking to you or not.

So I started to experiment. I'd type the same question (a loaded one) into both widows and click to submit right after each other, within a split second and waited. I did this several times and each time it was the same. First one would answer then the second. The replies from each of them got shorter and shorter as he tried to keep up.

This basically confimed it for me but I wanted more proof.

On esmb you can see who is online. I noticed only oingo boingo (prevail)was online and that tachikoma (KG) was nowhere to be seen. Someone had recently posted something funny to the board (in the humour section) that I doubted either had seen yet. I looked on the board and noticed that oingo boingo was looking at some other thread (not in the humour section). I pasted the link to the humour section into the window that I was talking to KG in. I then switched back to the board and "TA DA!", Oingo was looking at the thread I had pointed ONLY KG to. Withing a few minutes he had realised his mistake and quickly logged out of the Oingo Boingo account and into the tachikoma account, but it was too late.

The next day, just as I was wondering how to deal with this "they" came on line again. I played the same game of making him do the "IM dance" and asked if we could conference. There were many excuses given as to why that couldn't happen.

To cut a long story short, I just got pissed off by the bullshit and told him straight out that I knew. I lied and said I wasn't angry at all, just curious as to why he would do this. He then admitted everything and gave me a few excuses as to why he did it. I then told him that I lied about not being pissed off

A lot of swearing then followed and I told him to post to esmb and ocmb tell everyone about this or I would. He accused me of blackmailing him!!! Oh the irony!! In the end I told him to leave and he did.

He never posted to either board to explain himself, so, as promised, I did. I feel that a lot of people were caught out by this guy and he needed to be exposed.

I hope that answers everyone's questions.

You did good Emma!

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Wonderful detective work, Emma! Bravo!!

Very well done itsaline!


Idea by itsaline.

I really couldn't find a smiley online that would do justice to the beaming, ear to ear grin on my face as I first heard the tale of Emma's little Op!

The smile didn't go away for hours afterward and the muscles in my cheeks have been sore for days.
And now it looks like I'm in for another couple days of sore cheeks!

You just keep coming up with amazing and more articulated .gifs RWT.

On the issue of Previal/KG. If he/she/them were as IT and Internet savvy as they professed, he/she/them wouldnt have tripped out when MSN Polygamy was thrown in their face in December.

(yes Tomoko I am NOW gloating)

OMG!!! That is far better than I ever imagined in my dull head.

You are so clever RWT. Thank you for doing this. It's hilarious!!

Itsaline -

There's another mystery that has yet to be cleared up, in my mind, anyway. In one of KG's posts some months ago "she" stated that "she" and her "husband" (Natty P.) were outed by a third party. She referred to herself as Emma Sugiyama - I think that's how the name was spelled - and Natty as -------- Frey. Then, in a post sometime after that, Natty chided KG, referring to "her" as "Emma" for getting into a spat with Friendly Nature. He referred to her as one of his "favorite posters" and that it was out of character for "her" being a nice, sweet girl to behave that way, not acknowledging that they were married but implying they had some kind of relationship. What do you make of all that?

I'm not at all good at moving stuff around on this board, otherwise I would bring these posts up, but they are there.

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OSA does a lot of harm and I would compare it to the Taliban or medieval and post medieval era Inquisitors and witch hunters.

A lot of those people weren't out and out sociopaths and some were. Even those who weren't, did a lot of damage, ruined a lot of lives.

I don't use "sociopath" as a criterion or yardstick, since I know that people can be pretty shitty without being sociopaths. I just look at their actions and decide whether or not associating with them would be immoral or harmful in any way.

CofS is an abusive organization. There are lots of people I used to know- nice ones- who are back there. They're nice and all but would I associate with them? No. Because they are causing problems and/or burying their heads in the sand about problems.

And someone who's actually in or helping OSA is even worse. So I don't care if they would be found to be a sociopath by, say, a brilliant spot on psychiatrist like Ulf Brettstam (whom I admire) or not. I just know that associating with them would be very harmful.

Last year, I was being cyber-stalked on another site that I frequent (most likely by a $cienotroll) and this person claimed Natty P. was Matt or Trey from South Park (can't remember which one) and KG was his wife. I pm'ed KG and Natty P. with this info so they could have a chuckle and it became a running joke between them.

Now that we know "the rest of the story", KG/prevail might have been the $cienotroll who followed me over to that other site and made that ridiculous claim so he could start a backchannel comm line with me on OCMB in hopes of getting my personal information. Who knows. One thing is certain: I sure do miss Natty P. and friendly nature!

Deleted because I'm currently researching new info that may contradict my original post.

I remember something about all that Judith, but I can't be bothered going back to find the exact posts.

All I know is that in the KG persona, "she" was quite chuffed that people thought her to be Trey Parkers wife. Apparently some thought Natty P was Trey. I wasn't active on the board when all that speculation was going on, so I don't know a lot about it.

All I can tell you is that whatever you heard was rubbish.

This was one good troll.

Based upon what I know, Preval's "Admission" to Itsaline looks like an exit strategy. This story is far more complex than KG being Prevail. I know quite a bit based upon research I did or had done for me. For many reasons, I can't and won't disclose much of what I know in PT. Some of the actors in this saga would surprise you. All I will say is that this thing is not over. I got a piece of those guys that they don't know about. They had enemies who were close to them. This story is not over.