What a joke. Your points are not much valid and are certainly not logical. You sound like a snotty teenager who resents authority, that's all.

Any freshman christian apologist could rip your arguments to shreds. In fact why don't you sack up, get some balls, do the right thing and go over to a website where these debates take place. This kind of shit does not belong here.

Get it?

During a week when anti-$cientology sites are getting tons of visitors because of the BBC Panorama program, TheDarkSideOfAtheism uses ocmb.xenu.net as a platform to discuss her hatred for Christianity. Any good that has come out of her activities on myspace has now been mitigated by the fact that many Christians who visited the board this week and might have decided to help expose $cientology will now think that $cientology critics are almost as hateful as $cientologists in that they want to eradicate religion like $cientologists want to eradicate psychiatry.

Atheist fundamentalists are a particularly nasty bunch because they fail to realize that they have become what they despise. I work with one of them and he's just like a religious fundamentalist because he pushes his hatred for Christianity on anyone who's willing to listen to him. After one encounter, most people avoid him like the plague. Having dealt with his BS for almost one year, I recently confronted him. He said "Hey, RIPODB. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about all the Christians who push their religion on me. I don't have any problem with Christians like you. Heck, I didn't even know you were a Christian". He then continued his tirade against all things Christianity as if he hadn't listened to a word I just said and the irony of his doing to me what he hates done to him just flew right over his head. That's the mark of a true fundamentalist.

PS. To all the lurkers: Just because the critic community is rife with anti-religious extremists, that doesn't mean Co$ isn't an international crime syndicate disguised as a religion. Do your part to expose the cult even if that means working solo.

PPS. I'm no fan of Jerry Falwell. Mixing religion with politics is a MAJOR no no in my book, but I'd never start a thread about him on OCMB because it is OFF TOPIC and it gives the atheist fundamentalists a chance to make the critic community look even worse. The owner of this site is a kind an honorable man who happens to be an atheist, but he doesn't use his anti-$cientology site as a venue to push his beliefs on others. Too bad they can't follow his example.

Ya'll need to keep in mind.....

Christianity is a mainstream faith, a bona fide religion. Although
Falwell got a bit bloated, pompous, narrowminded, and seemingly self-serving in his latter years, he did not "invent" Christianity.

$cientology on the other hand, is an alternative mental health sect
as a brain child of a sci-fi writer who made up crap like Dianetics and naval war hero BS.

There's a significant difference here.

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There's a huge difference between being critical of religion and not respecting the rights of others to be religious. Being critical isn't synonymous with intolerance.


Who here has said they want to eradicate religion?

It shouldn't be, but for a few, it can be and is.

Hub was very critical and intolerant of his detractors and defectors. His directives mandate such thinking and conduct.

I've always been a believer that Jews, Christians, Buddists, Hindus, athiests, agnostics, and so on, can be critical of $cn as both an individual and collective effort.

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Wow. Someone seems quite bitter. You talk pretty tough, behind your monitor, I'm positive that's all you have though. You seem like a freshman Christian, so why don't you try and rip my arguments apart? Or are you too busy believing this story:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cq0dBFqJZc0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kH5zfTVt9X4

Or maybe you are sitting, contemplating how you are a product of incest??? Since "God" created Adam and Eve and they were the first humans on the planet, who did their children have sex with...Xenu? It was their job to populate the planet, wasn't it? I thought Christianity preached how incest was wrong, but how can you stop it, if you believe the Bible? Incest would be a neverending process.

You can't prove there is a "God" and that makes you angry, maybe you're wondering why you've wasted your whole life believing in an imaginary being? Maybe you got duped twice, once by Scientology and now by Christianity and you don't know what to do with yourself. If I was face to face with you, I can guarantee, you would have kept your mouth shut.

What makes Christianity anymore of a religion than Scientology? Please, elaborate? Because they've murdered more people?

I'd like to try to address your questions here, but let me ask you a few questions first so I can better understand where you are coming from.....

Were you ever a scientologist?

Were you ever a Christian?

Were you ever a member of or involved in any organized religion?

...in this life time that is.

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I was raised in a Baptist household, went to a Baptist private school (K-8th grade) and went to church every Sunday. Was I ever a Scientologist, no. Have I been effected by Scientology, yes. Have my friends and family members been members of Scientology, yes. So I have been "involved" with Scientology, just never a member.

I've read the Bible several times, we were forced to write Bible verses, for a punishment if we misbehaved. I know the Bible pretty well, maybe not an expert, but damn near close. I was even in the church choir, why do you ask?

Well, being America will be an Atheist/Agnostic majority in about 50 years, that won't matter much, now will it? There are 850 million "non-believers" worldwide. I never talk religion in the workplace, only an idiot would, most Christians fit in this category. At my work, most of the people here have Bible verses and pictures of Jesus on their desks, yet that is appropriate, right?

I've tried to create a Myspace profile, for them to discuss Scientology and for them to see Scientology is anti-Christianity. You know what, they don't care. It is the least successful profile I have had on Myspace. My largest was close to 10,000 friends, when it was shut down. I can't even get 50 on the Christian/Scientology profile. I would say the majority of people trying to put an end to Scientology are Atheists. Or are atleast the ones who put some sort of effort into it. Instead of typing on a messageboard complaining about Scientology, but too busy sitting on their asses to actually DO anything.

*My* point is that one's belief in something, especially something that you personally may well hold dear, should not be perverted by a groups or persons such as the Falwells or Hubbards of this world and used for nefarious purposes.
Grow a spine and argue a point with me rather than acting all "offended" at the lowest common denominator.
It *is* on topic because Falwell went way beyond the remitt of a belief system and atempted to impose his personal views on others who didn't want it (and using a church to do so from within the political system). Falwell *tried* to make your beliefs into a cult.

There are all sorts of Christian sects and all sorts of ideas in those sects which vary. Some Christians are loving and giving. Many are, in fact.

Some are not.

Either way, a man is dead. I sure don't agree with everything he said and thought-not by a long shot, but Rev. Falwell is dead and I hope that he is at peace, regardless of his ideas.

Dunno 'bout that. Huge influx of immigrants from the Middle East and from North Africa. It could easily go a completely different direction, demographic-wise.



A lot of the critics I know are Christian, a lot are atheists, and there're a number of critics who subscribe to other philosophies and faiths. I don't think atheists are in the majority there.

Demographic trends would disagree with you. Atheists/Agnostics were only 8% of the U.S. population in 1990, in 2001 we grew to 15% of the U.S. population, so at that growth rate, we should be between 18%-20% right now.

Here are the numbers:

Total Christian: 1990: 88.3% 2001: 79.8% Percentage of decrease: -8.5%

No Religion/Atheist/Agnostic: 1990: 8.4% 2001: 15.0% Percentage of increase: +6.6%

A 30% increase in 50 years, is not a reach, by any means, based on these trends.