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 Post subject: Is this an example of Stage 4 - Taunting The Target
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:06 pm 
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Could this event be an example of what is called "Stage 4"?

"Stage 4: Taunting the target:

"Time cools the fire of hate forcing the hater to look inward. *To avoid
introspection, haters increase their use of rhetoric* and violence to
maintain high levels of agitation. Taunts and offensive gestures serve
this purpose."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group ... ate_groups

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On "Global Obliteration of Psychiatry":

"Stage 7: Destroying the target

"The ultimate goal of haters is to destroy the object of their hate."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group ... ate_groups

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Will there be many scientologists who are going to distance themselves
from the Church of Scientology after attending events in which
depictions of violence are promoted by Church of Scientology's *top
management*?

"The report points to a transition period that exists between verbal
violence and acting that violence out, separating hard-core haters from
rhetorical haters."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group ... ate_groups

I wonder, as it has been reported from various sources that those
attending were applauding enthusiastically to such displays.

Admittedly, I find it puzzling how so many go along with such
reprehensible behavior by top management. Doesn't it occur to any of
them that it's getting creepy? How about Katie Holmes? I would think she
has not been inside long enough to easily go along with all this...

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And this is just about psychiatry/psychiatrists: those the Church of
Scientology calls "suppressive persons" are also a target of
vilification by the Church of Scientology.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/p ... 0-8-9.html

"The ultimate aim of a hate group is commonly the delegitimization,
elimination, and exclusion of groups, or the harm, deportation, or death
of individuals. Hate groups often use their victims as scapegoats to
blame for discontent in society."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group ... ate_groups

This fits so well L. Ron Hubbard views on how to 'handle' those he
called "suppressive persons":

"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on
the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning
with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first
is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their
theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose
of them quietly and without sorrow." - L. Ron Hubbard, in SCIENCE OF
SURVIVAL, p. 170

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/fair_g ... spose.html

This means those of us who might feel sympathy, regret, grief,
accountable, all of which are under "2.0" on Scientology's emotional
"tone scale", would all be disposed of without sorrow if Scientology had
its way.

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/FULL.HTM

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http://www.xenu-directory.net/topics/mi ... iatry.html

Ray.

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Arnie, that was an outstanding post with excellent research sources. I too wonder how long David Miscavige and other Scientology leaders can keep escalating their hate speech against psychiatry before they are seen by the membership as being a dangerous liability to Scientology itself? Scientology's irrationally vitriolic stance towards psychiatry is self-destructive because it paints the group as being angry, unscientific, and ignorant zealots.

David Miscavige continues to marginalize Scientology with his violent rhetoric. All one needs to do is to hear his speeches to see that Scientology is:

A HATE GROUP.

A MASTER RACE GROUP.

A GROUP THAT IS ISOLATED FROM MAINSTREAM SOCIETY.

A GROUP COMMITTED TO CONFRONTATION.

As I always say, all the critics need to do is to keep telling the truth about Scientology and the Cult's self-destructive nature will do the rest.


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I think the danger is very real. The anti-abortion movement had (still has?) unhinged members who killed doctors at family planning clinics in the name of preserving life. CoS has enough of its own unhinged to present a risk to those in the psychiatric profession. Of course, if it does happen, Scientology will immediately distance itself like it did with the Australia killings. But they will be investigated up to the federal level. You can bet on it. The feds will pick up the trail leading to DM and his global obliteration plan for the psychs. It will be unveiled to the public who will wonder why an organization favoring any kind of obliteration which could be translated into terrorism is tax-exempt.

I hope Katie wasn't standing by her man and clapping away at DM's appaling proposals, whatever they portend. If so, TC picked the one he wanted, no backbone, always agreeable, honored to be his wife, Suri's mom, Connor and Isabella's stepmom. I feel for her family. I feel for the families of all who were there.


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Excellent information, Arnie!

J. Swift wrote:
I too wonder how long David Miscavige and other Scientology leaders can keep escalating their hate speech against psychiatry before they are seen by the membership as being a dangerous liability to Scientology itself?

I think that the violent anti-psych rhetoric will continue to intensify and that it will cause ne'ery a ripple within CoS because DM & co. are simply parroting the same sort of bully-boy language that LRH used in slamming the psychs and other "enemies." Knock 'em out ... obliterate the enemy ... find the SP and then shoot. LRH often spoke like this, and Scientologists who have been fed his taped lectures for years wouldn't bat an eye at it.

The rhetoric will be curbed only if the curb is imposed from outside. Which may well happen, once the American Psychiatric Assn., news media, and others get wind of what is being said at CoS gatherings -- against a backdrop of pyrotechnics.


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Judith,
I immediately saw the same parallel that you did vis-à-vis anti-abortion violence. It would not surprise me in the least to see some disturbed Scientologist take violent action against a psychiatric clinic. CoS would, of course, quickly distance itself from that individual. But would the denial of responsibility hold up when it's revealed that Scientologists are exposed to Hubbard's hate-filled rants against psychiatry for years on end?


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No, it won't hold up, Songbird. Bad enough that we have 1000 Al Quaeda operatives in this country, but the American public doesn't have to put up with a renegade home-grown "religion" that poses a threat to the medical infrastructure of this country. If it happens, it will be time to yank the purse strings and stop giving them a free ride, make it rough on them all the way by refusing tax exemption. Scientology thinks it is untouchable because it is a religion. Do they even know that the Catholic Church just lost a huge sexual abuse case and will have to shell out 600 million to 500 plaintiffs?

So much of this is about power and lack of. The Scientologists seem powerless to get rid of DM who is at the core of their problem. If he goes, they will probably get another one just like him or worse.


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J. Swift wrote:
Arnie, that was an outstanding post with excellent research sources.


Yes I agree. Ray Hill is a terrific researcher and his website is invaluable.

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Judith Anderson wrote:
The Scientologists seem powerless to get rid of DM who is at the core of their problem. If he goes, they will probably get another one just like him or worse.

I agree that getting rid of DM isn't the solution -- because the problems stem not from DM, but from LRH.


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J. Swift wrote:
As I always say, all the critics need to do is to keep telling the truth about Scientology and the Cult's self-destructive nature will do the rest.


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The original posting was by Ray Hill who runs xenu-directory.net, I felt it deserved exposure here.

The problem with "just keep telling the truth" is that compared to wholesale lying and CONfidence games, it sure doesn't pay well...

Scientology milks a cash cow of high sounding false promises.

The "truth" is never so appealing

And I'd love to hear whose idea it was for Cruise to take that new movie... the one that is making Scientology's naziesque character into a news item.

When your adversary is destroying himself, perhaps it is best to not interrupt them.

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Judith Anderson wrote:
I think the danger is very real.



indeed it is.

Scientlogy and other cultic mindsets, use the same techniques to effectively remove their members conscience with praises of superiority.

It is the narcissists dream.

Destroy everyone who does not like and support you.

This is your mind on scientology.

The techniques of deprogramming would be of great value fighting terrorism if our national leaders would themselves get out of the executive branch cult they are in, which IMO, is rapidly approaching a Jim Jones End game mentalitywith Dick Cheney's talk of going after Iran.. "While this administration is still in power".

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On July 11th the U.S. Senate unanimously declared that Iran was committing acts of war against the United States: a 97-0 vote to give George W. Bush a clear and unmistakable casus belli for attacking Iran whenever Dick Cheney tells him to.

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itsaline wrote:
J. Swift wrote:
Arnie, that was an outstanding post with excellent research sources.


Yes I agree. Ray Hill is a terrific


FYI Raymond Hill was also the Executive Producer of our film THE BRIDGE.

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Judith Anderson wrote:
So much of this is about power and lack of. The Scientologists seem powerless to get rid of DM who is at the core of their problem. If he goes, they will probably get another one just like him or worse.


Of course they would.

And I don't think they're even trying to ditch DM...


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Stephen posted this to ARS, I first heard of him when he was on Topix forging posts in my name and in Tory's name a cou0ple months ago, working as a volunteer for OSA. He has seen the light.
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Well, it appears I must be doing SOMETHING! Today, I go to school
riding my bike as usual (I'm only about 15 minutes... maybe less, away
from the college.) I noticed a strange looking car, but hey! It's
California... lots of odd cars, right?

Anyway, this guy is a Hindu, no mustache, but bald and appropriately
darker skin and he had some white hair growing in. It also happened to
be after I posted some "bring it on" posts on ARS addressed to OSA...
the KGB of the Church of Scientology.

Anyway, I decided that same day that I would wear my "$cientology Suck
Suckers Dry: alt.religion.scientology" t-shirt with the "www.xenu.net"
web address on the back. I go in for only an hour to my class and when
I get out, my tires are slashed on my bike. What's more odd is that as
I'm walking my bike home (only took me about a half hour), I notice
this guy is still parked just chillin' until he sees me where he then
starts his car up and turns around. I remember he had a lawn mower on
the back. It's weird too, because he wasn't mowing anyones lawns. How
do I know? There's a special GROUP of very nice Mexican folks who do
the entire block. And they were on the other side of the neighborhood.
Odd, don't you think?

The Church of Scientology has a wonderful reputation for harassing
critics and ex-church members. Nice church.

http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com

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