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 Post subject: Sydney's Ideal Org - What it looks like Feb 7, 2012
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:17 am 
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Long have CSA been regging for a project that they could never deliver. I ve made many posts for over a year in regard to the expansion/renovation of the Grade V in Sydney.

As I have previously posted, CSA Inc nad never made a Development Application and it wasnt until CSA realized that the cat was let out of the bag in regard to no DA being lodged as they claim as far back as july last year.

Money was collected for the project and was shuttled off to Melbourne for the Ascot Vale purchase.

Per my post 18th August 2007. CSA withdrew the application themselves. There was no rejection by Council.

But alas, scientology being the great big fat lie it has always been, CSA have sent out emails stating:

The city council have said we can have some of our extension plans but not all 4 additional floors.

Whereas, according to Sydney City Council themselves on the 9th Sept 2007 when asked about the withdrawal:

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Dear XXXXXX,

No indication has been made as to whether a revised Development Application will
be resubmitted nor the reason for the withdrawal.

I trust that this clarifies the current situation.

Regards,

xxxxxxx xxxxxx
XXXXX XXXXXX
City of Sydney
Phone 9246 7592



In a follow up email to Council, I asked about any refusal about additional floors and anything else with regard to a likley rejection


The response from the same Officer on the 10 Sept 2007 was:

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Dear XXXXXXX,

Please be advised the Development application was withdrawn by the applicant.
Reducing the number of stories was discussed with the applicant but nothing firm was proposed, nor any plans provided.

[...]

I am not aware of any new proposal.



Here is a screenshot from the City of Sydney's webpage related of Development Applications where it can plainly be seen, that CSA withdrew the application themselves

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Now, the next big lie comes to try reg people for more money after they have already donated money for a project that wasnt submitted until after it was being plastered on the Internet that RTC and CSA were lying about the Continental Org right back to early 06.

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Hello XXXXXX,

Due to the amazing BASICS Boom!, the existing plans for Castlereagh St to be the IDEAL ORG will no longer serve. International Strategies and local expansion is such that ANOTHER building is required for delivery.

The city council have said we can have some of our extension plans but not all 4 additional floors. With our requirements and expansion plans so we can bring Standard Tech to Sydney 201 Castlereagh will not be big enough so we now are looking for an additional building.

The plan is to have the existing 201 Castlereagh St a showcase test centre that services new people and that we locate and purchase a new delivery building which will service the rest of the bridge in both training and auditing.

I know many of you have expressed your desire for parking to be available and with this plan we can now make sure your Org is Ideal for you in all ways.


What we want is

1) a building in keeping with area and city and showcasing Scientology.

[You have seen many of the buildings presented as Ideal Orgs in recent events. ]

2 ) 35,000 sq ft or more of space adequate for delivery

3) Upstat

4) Parking

5 ) Low crime in area

6) Within a radius of 10 or so Kms of Sydney CBD

7. "Great Deal!"


Now we need you!


We'd like you to go out in the next day or so and see what buildings in your area may be in or close to the 6 points above!. Take a digital camera picture [ phone photo fine if clear] of any building you think may serve.

We would ask that you leave any communications with building owners or any real estate people until we establish a desire to pursue that property. This request comes from much experience in the securing of Ideal Orgs.


If you have any questions or Ideas or want any clarification please call Caroline Collen on 0412 202 497 or Paz Patel on either 9267 6772 or 0405 715 662

Send any promising material by email to Paz Patel at sydney@scientology.net


We will over the next few days be holding a briefing for all those interested that couldn't come to OT COMM on Monday and will advise you by email and phone of the time so you can attend.


This is exciting news for Sydney and the OT Comm and staff of Sydney thank you for all you have done and will do to see Sydney has its Ideal Org.


GOOD HUNTING


Executives and OT Committee Sydney Org'


So now a totally different building has to be purchased because council said no to additional floors at the Grade V?

YOU ARE CAUGHT IN YOUR OWN LIES CSA!
AGAIN!!

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Due to the amazing BASICS Boom!, the existing plans for Castlereagh St to be the IDEAL ORG will no longer serve. International Strategies and local expansion is such that ANOTHER building is required for delivery.

Thanks for posting this Alert.

We can now see that the new lie, the new excuse -- "The BASICS Boom" -- will be senior to all other lies. The Basics Boom requires all plans to be changed and all past promises to be broken.

The "Basics Boom" will finally let DM off the hook for finishing the Super Power Bldg and delivering the Super Power courses. After all, Scienos can't possibly do Super Power until they are grooved in on the new Basics, and so that means that SP Bldg is an empty shell until at least 2011.

What I see here is DM's plan: He knew the real estate bubble would burst. If you think about it, the new Basics were released when the real estate bubble burst. This gives DM new revenue from selling the Basics to purchase yet more buildings in the real estate downturn. After all, the Scienos down under were ordered to look for a "Great Deal." Perhaps some Taiwanese billionaires loss in real estate in Sydney will be CoS great deal.

New day, same scam: Sell the new, revised, epic, monumental, same old crap and go buy more real estate against the day when CoS goes to minus zero. At that point, DM won't need any publics except a few for windowdressing for tax purposes. DM can lease office spaces rehabbed by OT Commitees and RPF. He can use RPF to provide no-cost janitorial services and OSA for bldg security.

CoS will become a profitable property management firm that owns its own buildings. Some % of the bldgs, the cellars, will be set aside for CoS and CoS front groups.

LRH will have been purged and Scientology will have become a chattering and obsolete Cult that babbles doom in the cellars all night and collects rents payments all day as its VFP.

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Swift,
Me thinks that you are giving the 8th grade drop-out too much credit for creating a diabolical plan. I think that the re-selling of the old crap is just another level of the Ponzi scheme that is co$. They had to find a way to maintain the properties that they have now, so the resale of the old crap is a fast and easy way to generate funds. Include the fact that DM knows this facet of the scam has worked before with the clammers, it was money for the taking without having to sell any properties. Swift is correct is assuming that the properties that the cult is sitting on and may buy in a real estate down turn will be valuable, but I do not think that DM is crafty enough to have thought this through. It is just a lucky circumstance. Even with this wealth of properties, they will have to run the resale of old crap scam again in another 15 years.


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Hubbard Liked Money

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The point of "selling" a franchise area has been misunderstood by
Legal WW. One cannot sell a territory. But one can sell a very
posh package of setup materials for thousands and thousands of
dollars which is a starter package. One sells the starter package
and what goes along with it is a district and SMI contract. The
money which is received is from the starter package and the money
which will be received is from the percentage which will be paid
to SMI. There is not the least bit of legal difficulty at this if
one takes a look at it. This idea has not been put on the lines
previously. But it is very easy to resolve it and no reason to
block the sale of franchise districts just because you can't say
"Chicago southend is now sold for $25,000." You can say "The
district Chicago southend is granted between block number so and
so and block number so and so to the (corporate name of the
franchise acquirer) who must now buy a starter package for his
franchise of so many books, so many this, so many that, so many
meters, so many this, so many that etc., at such and such a price
and in return for signing the SMI contract which requires the
payment of so many percent tithe to SMI." What is added to the
contract is up to the GO as a series of protective clauses which
are advantageous and otherwise. Do you realize that when this
organization is put together as a Church from SMI, it will have
all manner of tax benefits and everything else. It can trade, buy
property etc., etc. and all of these things are tax exempt. There
is one hell of a sales pitch that can be launched back of this.
In the last issue of "Spotlight" newspaper there was an ad from a
Henshal or Benshal about the United Church league, or some such
thing, who laid out the benefits of being a church under the
heading of the "fastest growing religion in the world." This guy
sells ordinations, and is getting away with it. What he says is
true. It has terrific, terrific advantages from a tax point of
view to run a church. A copy of this should be acquired, or I can
get it back and send it through, but the point is this can be a
highly advantageous thing that the guy is buying. What he pays
for is the starter package and the promise to give a certain
tithe to the basic organization and he also is therefore and
thereby disconnected from the C of S of California, and from
liability to the C of S of California, and this is what we're
trying to do and this is the only reason we're organizing SMI. I
have added to it the additional reason that it can make a
fortune. It also gets this franchise scene under control. What
has been overlooked here is the reasons why this organization is
being created. We have just lost now the Kristofferson suit, a 2
million dollar suit, because of the sloppy contracts and
relationship of the franchise network to C of S of California.
Therefore, it has got to be handled and it is behind times
already. One has to sort out the sales pitch, how one will get
money from it, the advantages, and get this fully understood by
anybody along the line, or nobody will be able to sell a damn
thing. This is actually not a very bright conclusion at Legal WW,
but then they are concerned with the law and not with promotion
and Marketing. These new franchises have to be marketed,
marketed, marketed. It's a piece of cake. You can sell a dozen of
them in every major city in the world. They gain in this enormous
tax advantages, a good business that pays money, ways and means
to invest money and hold money without tax ripoff and it's
actually like selling warm mittens to a frozen eskimo.

L. Ron Hubbard, from his dispatch to Sue Mithoff
dated September 10, 1979

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Well, so it seems that a new building has been purchased in Belfield.

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So the lies will be generated again to reg for something that people have already been regged for.

CSA and the Ideal Org Fundraising Committee have already stated previously that around $5 mil had been collected for the failed Ideal Org expansion of the Grade V at Town Hall, that CSA stated will no longer serve cult purposes.

Well, Belfield is quite down stat in actuality. There is a an all you can eat buffet at a Koren restuarant next Sunday, right next door to the new purchase;
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Great News for Sydney Org!

You may have heard on the grapevine that something BIG is happening with the Sydney Ideal Org-You heard right.

We found it!
Yes the building!

It's MASSIVE.

It has parking for 200 cars!

And we want it to be our new home.

Come and get the full briefing on it and get all your questions answered. Be there to be part of the BIGGEST and the most exciting Ideal Org event Ever.

Join the Sizzling Korean BBQ buffet (all you can eat) located next door to our Ideal Org!

Date: Sunday 18th November
Time: 12:00 noon
Place: Seoul Korean B.B.Q Restaurant
37-39 Punchbowl Rd. Belfield
Cost: $50.00

For booking contact:
Kim Fitzgerald 0411 723 694
Or Sydney Org: 9267 6772




Photos and more info will soon follow from the SP Committees within the AO and Grade V Orgs.

The basics packages are creating SP's, not more willing dupes.

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All you can eat sizzling Korean BBQ buffet for $50.00? Dude, sizzling Korean BBQ is a lot cheaper here in L.A.

What amuses is this line:

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5 )Low crime in area


This is funny because Scientology is always talking about how it is the answer to crime, and yet it turns around and looks for an Org in a low crime area. What a bunch of pussies! What happened to the good old days when Heber and his old lady used death beams to chase down a thug at LAX?

The Christians here in L.A. went into Skid Row a long time ago. They went there and into the other most dangerous parts of town and opened missions and churches in downstat storefronts and old buildings. The Christians went in to reach the lost with food, medical care, and the Gospel. OTOH, the Scientologists here in L.A. have carved out their own little ethnic ghetto of Homo Novii on LRH Way. The street has a zillion cameras and private security. If you are not known to Scientology and step onto LRH way, the bicycle Nazis are on you faster than DM's needle rock slams when he is asked about his crimes. Scientology becomes more irrelevant here everyday. Someday the Cult will fade into the L.A. landscape and become nothing more than a rundown building inside of which insanity was once sold in 12.5 hour intensives.

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J. Swift wrote:
All you can eat sizzling Korean BBQ buffet for $50.00? Dude, sizzling Korean BBQ is a lot cheaper here in L.A.


It's also a LOT cheaper here J Swift. Its just the cult trying to make money, make money, make money.

From a little feedback I got about last nights IAS event attendence, less than 200.

J. Swift wrote:
What amuses is this line:

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5 )Low crime in area


This is funny because Scientology is always talking about how it is the answer to crime, and yet it turns around and looks for an Org in a low crime area. What a bunch of pussies! What happened to the good old days when Heber and his old lady used death beams to chase down a thug at LAX?

The Christians here in L.A. went into Skid Row a long time ago. They went there and into the other most dangerous parts of town and opened missions and churches in downstat storefronts and old buildings. The Christians went in to reach the lost with food, medical care, and the Gospel. OTOH, the Scientologists here in L.A. have carved out their own little ethnic ghetto of Homo Novii on LRH Way. The street has a zillion cameras and private security. If you are not known to Scientology and step onto LRH way, the bicycle Nazis are on you faster than DM's needle rock slams when he is asked about his crimes. Scientology becomes more irrelevant here everyday. Someday the Cult will fade into the L.A. landscape and become nothing more than a rundown building inside of which insanity was once sold in 12.5 hour intensives.

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The area isnt low crime at all.

It is on the cusp of some really seedy suburbs with high-ish crime rates. (Punchbowl, Campsie, Lakemba, Greenacre) I wouldnt park my car there if it was a rental.

Ive yet to determine for sure if a building has in fact been purchased, or it's just the CSA trying to get money it is being yelled at about from up-lines.

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"What happened to the good old days when Heber and his
old lady used death beams to chase down a thug at LAX?"

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I went to the Los Angeles Airport one evening to pick up my wife, Yvonne,
who was returning from a lecture trip. As we started to leave the car park
we both heard screaming.

I exteriorized and saw a man beating up a woman. I stopped the car and
told Yvonne to go and help the girl while I caught the mugger (he was
already leaving the scene of the beating).

Yvonne went to the girl's aid and began giving her an assist. Her face
had already greatly puffed out from the beating. I started walking at an
intercept angle to the mugger who was not yet visible to me with the
physical eyes. Sure enough he appeared from behind a row of cars walking
fast. I walked faster and he began to run. I knew it was him because I had
seen his shirt while exterior. I ran after him and called for help and the
same time. The police came and helped me run him down and he was captured.

We then went back to the police station and Yvonne brought the girl in
who, after the touch assist, looked fantastically improved. We both
realized that we had exteriorized and seen what had happened through
several rows of cars and concrete pillars. Well, maybe someday we'll have
a real OT Police who'll capture the *real* criminals of society. That
would be a real help towards world police.

Heber C. Jentszch, OT

[from Advance! magazine, issue 38, p. 14]

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It has parking for 200 cars!

So they plan ahead and going into the parking business? :lol:

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(snip) Do you realize that when this organization is put together as a Church from SMI, it will have all manner of tax benefits and everything else. It can trade, buy property etc., etc. and all of these things are tax exempt. (snip)



Yeah, like how the Church of Scientology Flag Service Org didn't have to pay any doc stamps (a tax when you buy real estate) on the 300 Osceola building (03/28/2007).

Yet the CofS tells everyone they are the highest payer of taxes in Clearwater.

I'll bet that one's a lie, too.

Now that's another reason to drum them out of Clearwater. If they're NOT paying their fair share of real estate taxes in town, then the bulk of the tax burden falls on the rest of us.


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Yet the CofS tells everyone they are the highest payer of taxes in Clearwater.

I'll bet that one's a lie, too.

Now that's another reason to drum them out of Clearwater. If they're NOT paying their fair share of real estate taxes in town, then the bulk of the tax burden falls on the rest of us.


This is puzzling. If CofS is a tax-exempt religion, how can they be the highest payer of taxes in Clearwater?


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Yet the CofS tells everyone they are the highest payer of taxes in Clearwater. I'll bet that one's a lie, too. Now that's another reason to drum them out of Clearwater. If they're NOT paying their fair share of real estate taxes in town, then the bulk of the tax burden falls on the rest of us.


This is puzzling. If CofS is a tax-exempt religion, how can they be the highest payer of taxes in Clearwater?


Well, you made me do a preliminary search. Looks like they may be the highest paying property taxpayer in Clearwater only because they own the most number of parcels. They also seem to have a HUGE tax break on most of the properties.

Go to this link http://www.pcpao.org/, click on "search our database" (top left), select "by name", click "I accept cookies", and click "continue". Then type "Church of Scientology" in the "Owner or business name" and click "Submit query".

You will see all the many, many properties they own. I had no idea they owned that many of them. For each one, click on the parcel number to see the detail for that one parcel. On the right column, compare the value for "Taxes" with "Taxes without any exemptions". You'll get an idea how much of a tax break they get (by seeing the difference) but you'll also see that they do pay some taxes.

For example, for the Ft Harrison Hotel property, they are paying $91K/year instead of $337K/year (without their exemptions).

Interesting. Anyone with a little bit of patience could easily figure out how much they're paying... and not paying.
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Sea Horse, thanks for the link and data, will check this out. I wonder if there is a similar searchable database for Los Angeles.


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Hmmm, interesting.

The 50 dollar a head BBQ next door to the supoposed new IO purchase at Belfield has been moved to Cafe D'or at 47 Burwood Rd Burwood.

Booked and paid for 100 people, so how many will actually turn up?

Im sure the proprietors would love to read what Hubbard says about Arabs and Middle Easterners.

Quote:
In North Africa they had the Arab with the gun and whip, but he could force people to do things … and he accomplished a tremendous amount of extermination, but he certainly didn't advance that civilization very much.
L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 119, 1 September 1957, as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill Organization)


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He's been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He's been going crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.


This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been eating death for a very long time and it is death. … They have eaten death too long and now they bring death to the things they touch.



The Arab is to a point where he won't even follow a decent leader. He's got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration and bigotry. Then he'll follow him.

[...]

…the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem and disease and poverty and political unrest.


L. Ron Hubbard
20th Advanced Clinical Course
"Case Analysis—Rock Hunting"
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Sea Horse wrote:
Well, you made me do a preliminary search. Looks like they may be the highest paying property taxpayer in Clearwater only because they own the most number of parcels. They also seem to have a HUGE tax break on most of the properties.

Go to this link http://www.pcpao.org/, click on "search our database" (top left), select "by name", click "I accept cookies", and click "continue". Then type "Church of Scientology" in the "Owner or business name" and click "Submit query".

You will see all the many, many properties they own. I had no idea they owned that many of them. For each one, click on the parcel number to see the detail for that one parcel. On the right column, compare the value for "Taxes" with "Taxes without any exemptions". You'll get an idea how much of a tax break they get (by seeing the difference) but you'll also see that they do pay some taxes.

For example, for the Ft Harrison Hotel property, they are paying $91K/year instead of $337K/year (without their exemptions).

Interesting. Anyone with a little bit of patience could easily figure out how much they're paying... and not paying.
:computer:


OK, the link above provides tons of hard facts that CofS probably doesn't want people to know.

After downloading the data sheets for all 82 parcels (properties) owned by CofS in Flag and surrounding area, it becomes apparent that
CofS owns over 200 million dollars worth of property just in Pinellis County.

The data sheets for each parcel of land also give specs for how much (if any) tax breaks CofS get, building footage / satellite image of the property, details of the building like does it have a pool, a basement, materials of construction, how many times the property has been sold, age of building, etc. etc. etc.

After I get a chance to wade through all the basic info, I will start another thread and post some compiled facts.

This information is posted by the Pinellas County Property Appraiser, and is freely and publicly available to anyone who chooses to access it on the web.


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