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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:02 am 
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If Hubtoad was really the most capable being to walk the face of Teegeeack in the past 75 million years, then how the hell did he fail to realize Co$ was selling crappy versions of his books all that time?

You are asking this question.
I am asking this question.
The question is ..... how many Scientologists are asking this question?

EVERYONE (thats right, I put it in SP form) wants to know the answer to this question.
How did LRH fail to notice his $#!T was jacked up & all wrong the ENTIRE time he was the "Commodore"?
50+ years later COB RTC David M. finally gets it right? --for a price.
Let us all bow down & count our lucky stars that DM was the ONLY one alert enough to discover that the ENTIRE basic library needed to be restored & RE-SOLD to EVERYONE.
Nice catch, cob.


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Thanks Almond Joy

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songbird wrote:
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And if skripture-tek has been errant all this time, how could anyone have ever said it's 'workable?'

A good question. A very good question. Anyone have an answer?

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A rather handy rhetorical point to make if one is discussing scientology with a scientologist. If they point to the efficacy of The Tech, ask them how it was efficacious for them if they haven't redone all their courses with the new books. Are squirrelled books efficacious?

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Thanks Almond Joy

You're welcome!

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Spacecootie,

Mark Bunker is a definite possibility.

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Herr Bad -

thanks for the great posts - your humor is noteworthy and well enjoyed.

Question about this Scripture Replacement Rundown: do public libraries currently have copies of SCN books? Will the church attempt to have those destroyed and replaced by the new versions?

Another question: how could anyone stay in this "church" after being handed such an obvious load of crap? such an obvious scam to shake down the followers for more money. If this doesn't drive people away in droves, there is no hope for mankind...

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If this doesn't drive people away in droves, there is no hope for mankind...


That is an appropriate statement.

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Agreed, Almond Joy---re DM. He's at the end of the trail, and lost his map.
Poor poor little Davey and his buddy, little Tommy Cruise! :roll:

Also, agreed, Songbird, re that quote!

I was at Flag when the first :bs: wave came through, invalidating people's wins, case state's, training. It was a m a z i n g to experience! I remember one of my then friends, screaming ...running down a hall.
I asked, "What the Hell Happened?"

I was told: "They just told ____ she isn't Clear". This is someone on OT 7.
It was quite a shock.

We ALL experienced nightmare things during that---and many of us left, due to the utter :bs:

I'm AMAZED any of them are staying through *This*. QUACKIDY QUACK!

Best to all :wink:

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Interesting to read of people being told their earlier attests were false etc as from what I was told by someone straight after the release was that they were told that, oh no, earlier attests are still valid, one just has to get the right data now, you weren't to know etc. I knew that was bs, that it was only a short matter of time (gradients etc) before the angle would change. (Still, it was the same old story of hearing a reg saying whatever it is they need the person to hear in order to make this bizarre basics book scheme seem not so whacko and close the sale.)

It really does seem as if there is a certain amount who cannot think for themselves which does not bode well for any future life and death scenario where people could be asked to do something life-endangering. There would obviously be at least one person that would follow 'command intention' vs those who would think for themselves. The maximum amount that would follow I do not know. It's all about loyalty (including believing/trusting anything said by the leadership) at all costs.


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There would obviously be at least one person that would follow 'command intention' vs those who would think for themselves.



At least ONE? Are you kidding? The vast majority "in" cannot think for themselves. It's not that they never could---they began just fine. However, that's part of Hubbard's game--all the way: Chip down, chip down, less freedoms, less freedoms, all the while telling you that you have *more* freedoms. Right! :roll:

Truly: Scientology IS a CULT, and that is the KEY.

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4 key critics were there, and each one told me they finally got how it works.

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What I mean is that even one person is one too many. Of course there is likely to be many more, it's just that a Jonestown situation has not yet occurred and I don't know if such a request would wake most up or put them in a stupor.

If the walls were lined with Ethics and OSA there would probably be an almost exact re-enactment.


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magoo1 wrote:
I remember one of my then friends, screaming ...running down a hall.
I asked, "What the Hell Happened?"

I was told: "They just told ____ she isn't Clear". This is someone on OT 7.
It was quite a shock.


Of course, they were right. There are no Clears, just as there are no Operating Thetans.

I hope there was a door at the end of that hall.... and that your friend just kept running when she reached it! As you so often say, Tory, the way out is through the nearest door.


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Unconfirmed data from my various contacts:

1. DM needs to know how many actual Scientologists remain, where "Scientologist" is defined as a person who purchases the new LRH Basics Library. All of the other metrics used as a census of Scientologists are not reliable, consistent, or even accurate. Hence, DM has established a stable datum: A "Scientologist" is defined in PT as a person who purchases the new LRH Basics Library. There is a baseline (read: hardcore indoc'd) membership out there and no one knows the real number.

2. The discovery of the alterations allowed DM to uncover the hidden cause of failure in auditing: The Floating Needle has never been fully understood in terms of actual LRH Basics. The new Mark VIII will be the first meter whose circuitry is matched to the unaltered LRH Tech. The new Basics + the new Mark VIII = A new breakthrough in auditing. The "Floating Needle" that LRH used to boom Saint Hill has been found once again. Certainty and Accuracy will be returned to the session room. Bridge Progress will be faster than ever and 100% on source. The new E-Meter/Floating Needle will be released in 12-18 months and heralded as the epic, monumental, magnitudes of magnitudes of Hubbard Wonderfulness.

3. Regges have all been told not to take "no" for an answer when they reg for the Basics. Anyone who does not purchase the Basics has O/W's on Scientology. Failure to purchase the Basics will carry penalties. If you want to stay in Scientology, or need to stay in for family reasons, you will purchase the Basics. As in the past with other LRH materials, families may not share a library. Each member needs their own Basics Library.

4. Get ready for a resurgence of LRH Study Tech in CoS: COB says that the new LRH Basics are no good if people do not know how to study! There will be an internal push to sell LRH Study Tech.

Edit: Snow White, what I reported earlier was someone screaming privately, very pissed off, about how COB's action with the Basics falsifies all past actions because everything was based on altered fundamentals.


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Edit: Snow White, what I reported earlier was someone screaming privately, very pissed off, about how COB's action with the Basics falsifies all past actions because everything was based on altered fundamentals.


Ok, thanks Swifty.


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J. Swift wrote:
Hey, don't quote me on any of this:


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People who Q&A get sent to ethics. They get a choice to buy the Basics/Freewinds Cruise or get a declare. That is it. That is the new reality."




Well, there goes a few thousand more Scientologists.

Much as I'd like to see the bastard Miscarriage in jail, he's doing a more effective job of getting people out of CoS than anyone else.

Thanks for posting this, Swift. Your friend gives a wonderful insight into what it's like to be a Scn public these days.


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