Mr. B and Swift,

Great thread.

Absolutely freakin' amazing.

It's all so fascinating, in a horrible sort of way.

CoS needs members who interact with the real world to make money and donate it to CoS. But these days most people who interact with the real world have an Internet connection, and most people who pull in a good income are curious and savvy people who very well might google "OT III" and find it for themselves, and find critic sites. Young people hooked on YouTube and blackberries find critic spoofs popping up even if they aren't looking for them.

So, CoS is doomed to extract money from the aging members it has scared into an Internet-free bubble. Sounds like the racket will get more and more feeble.

Well, this is one "aging" person that they didn't get.

The problem is that the "aging members' have been around long enough to know how much Miscavige is "squirreling". Most of the young ones weren't around in "the early days" and don't know any better.

The "aging" members, one of whom is my relative who still won't leave the @#$$% CoS, just don't connect the dots and see they're being reamed. Squirrelled texts, unfinished Super Power building, dwindling membership, abrupt top-level departures, mysterious deaths, Tom Cruise a world-wide joke - nothing gets through that bubble! They read the rah-rah CoS magazines, swallow CoS spin about Lisa McPherson dying from an auto accident clot, see the pictures of new orgs, see shiny new books, read about and sign up to be "heroic" Volunteer Ministers, and keep believing CoS has the pipeline to being superior to the rest of humanity.

See, if they have any doubts, they have to confess it, and do all kinds of amends. Their CoS family members might disconnect, and their CoS business associates and customers might abandon them. So they've either trained their brain to not doubt, or they've mastered the art of pretending to not doubt.

Mormons have helped to build hospitals, built their own world-class university, denounced the misdeeds in their past, and have a truly ethical way of life -- assuming you enjoy wearing secret underwear. The Mormons encourage marriage and family in their own clergy as opposed to SO splitting couples apart and encouraging, or even forcing abortions. The Mormons offer positive family values for a 10% pre-tax tithe and brother, you had better lengthen your stride if you want to make it.

The JW's are a miserable little cult full of child-molesting elders. The JW's were over after Jesus missed the 1914 appointment that the Russellites had set for his return. Like CoS, the JW's are stuck with their absurd past and wicked leaders in PT. The JW's are saddled with a screwball eschatology in the same way that Scientologists are stuck with a screwball cosmology.

I see the JW's in the same camp as Scientologists: Miserable, American-made Cults that were exported to target audiences. The JW's are definitely low-budget Cultic Misery built around stats. The Scientologists are middle class to affluent built around stats. Whereas the JW's will show up at your front door trying to sell you cheap little books printed in Brooklyn, the Scientologists will mail you their glossy hallucinations that come courtesy of Henning Benndorf's unique graphic madness.

The JW's and the Scientology offer the same Cult mentality with different messiahs. The JW's do not believe in the Trinity and so offer you Jesus and introduce him as the brother of the Archangel Michael. Scientology offers you a drug-addled Satanist whose ego knew no boundaries and whose followers think that wog law is meaningless. Scientologists and JW's have both condemned themselves and their groups to an eternally fringe existence by their own actions.

If the JW's and Scientology merged, it would be one hell of a funny new religion. Imagine it: The JW's doctrinal prohibition against blood transfusions could be explained by claiming that BT's could be unstuck from one body and flow to another via blood transfusions. There are so many possibilities here!

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To Lulu_belle's point: All of the JWs' from 1914 are dead and so JW's nowadays do not remember the prophecies that had Jesus returning in 1844, then 1914, and so on. All the modern JW's know is that Prince and Michael Jackson are somewhat secretly JW's!

Voodoo,

Your comments on this thread are about as welcome as a fart on a movie set during a moment of silence.

Your ridiculous postings only reveal your true objectives which is to derail as many threads as you possibly can.

mb

mr bad as always you are some character: freedom of speech my dear is what you and DM would like for me NOT to have. See ? You become as him.

My point is this: DM made many programs in the past 20 years. What happened to them ? where they completed ? Did they achieve their objectives ? Now these are good topics, right ? As i said before: what will happen to this program in a year time ? With what results ?
Staff members, public and SO members will have to buy their own copies and they will have to study these books, lectures and courses. If one stops reading the book, the supervisor will know from the lack of progress on the home course. This will lead to wordclearing (that public pay) and ethics. Not applying the content too.
Basically people's life will be involved 24 H a day with hubbard, people around them will notice it and ask questions. Also these readers will apply the book content whereever they are (assists, dianetics auditing, arc triangle etc).
The new handling is the basics: people applying obvious stuff will have gains. Div 6 was structured to be that way. See the doc beginner's guide to LRH if you dont believe me.

Hubbard wrote these books to get more people on the bridge, these books are his frontline invasion force. DM knows that word of mouth is the best form of advertisement. Swift reminded correctly that people coming here and reading about ot3 will just walk away.

YES BUT:
every religion has its own beliefs and its own weird facts. Jesus died and then he was reborn, the bible has angels, hell, demons etc. Buddism has the cycle of life (today i have a human shape tomorrow i could either be a plant or an insect); the list goes on and people accept these things in faith.

DM said many times before that the ot levels are just a little portion of scientology, the real beef is the one you apply each day to have success and to win in life. It doesnt take a genius to understand this point.
People wont be interested to go ot 3, people will be interested to have the study tech or to comunicate better (comm courses), they will read the problems of work, where everything makes sense and they will apply it.
Dm has created a huge advertisement machine where almost everyone involved will promote and apply LRH's data whereever they are.
Think about a parent having problems with their teens. If this parent has a scientologist friend, he will suggest the book of ethics: over and withholds, dynamics conditions etc and the study tech as a solution. That parent doesnt care about xenu, he will read the needed portion of the book and he will apply it on his teenager for instance.
If it works, div 6 will have a new customer.

A friend plays soccer and gets hurt. bang his best friend audits him with book one on that accident and he recovers promptly. Bang. Another customer who wants to read the dianetics book (and maybe become a book one auditor).

This may or many not happen; but i saw a good friend becoming a jw and let me tell you this: he is with *them* all the time selling their magazine and talking to people.
Sure most public will say no thanks. And those people will go to ethics or wont come back to the church. Those who stays will be indoctrinated 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, till they are as Core as Tom Cruise. These people will start promoting scn very heavely. Christianity was founded by one man and his words was spread by just 12 men ! They had to hide, life was very difficult but they made it 'cos their reality was unshakeable.
This pgm may achieve just that. And who cares if we go to hell or if we go to report to an implant station ! Life is now, with real problems, and scientology has some workable solutions. People want just that, workable solutions like looking up a word of a dictionary, applying the arc triangle with customers, ethics technology, comunication courses... maybe these are not the best solutions but they are workable and that's all it matters to real people with real problems now.

This is my view, sorry. I think this pgm has a potential to succed and to indoc more and more people in, just because it levels to people's problems.

Voodoo,

Like DM, brevity is not one of your virtues.

I am not going to read one of your long ass rambling posts.

Say what you mean and mean what you say and be done with it, and if it doesn't pertain to the thread at hand--start your own damn thread!!

mb

i made my point and i rest my case; please continue to invalidate me, i like it so much !

"People wont be interested to go ot 3, people will be
interested to have the study tech or to comunicate
better (comm courses), they will read the problems
of work, where everything makes sense and they
will apply it." - Vodou

From what I've seen Scientologists don't communicate
any better than wogs do.

Maybe they don't really "communicate at all," they just
spout L. Ronbotisms.

Weird science!

$cn's Oxford Capacity Analysis do not have any Qs which addresses one's geneology.

All the auditing money can buy, all the course time in the world, and wearing faux navy garb every day until yur blue in the face, can't change one's gene pool.

Hmmmm.... Makes one wonder, why do FZers and ~indie~ $cienos still buy into Hub's bizarro world of social rethink?

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Mr_Bad,

your postings are a delight to read, not only are they informative and interesting but also very funny. The only thing better than destroying the cult is destroying the cult while laughing.

Keep it up!

A cannibal once clear will always be a clear cannibal...
btw did u know that opus day promotes the application of the bible and of jesus's teachings in everyday life as a way to have more success ? they are growing in numbers and expanding ....

Vodou, I do not see how you can be working on a Masters or a Doctorate given your horrendously poor logic. Any academic supervisor would never admit you to an postgraduate program with your simpleton logic. Even when I factor in English as a second or third language, the fact this that you have a heavy commitment to push Scientology is Christianity is Buddhism. This is a false moral equivalency. This is what gets first year college students D's in Logic and Rhetoric 101.

I have to conclude that you do not understand religion or Scientology in any important way. You have an A=A=A sloppy, lazy think going on here. If you are a future psychotherapist, then your patients will be in big trouble because you will give them false data and sloppy thinking. You should think of doing something else with your life.