Antique Hoax wrote:
The truth is the dream-mind not only constantly 'lies', its primary purpose is to 'lie' sometimes. On the whole the entire dream-mind is a 'lie'. It is a 100% fabrication.
When you are 'awake' and observing your REM dream-mind in action you see how it 'works'. I can describe it from an experience happening not long ago. For me this wasn't a typical dream, but the method of "re-writing history" being employed here by the dream-mind was typical of how it 'works' in my experience of many years as a (controlled) LD'er.
I don't think we are disagreeing on anything but terms and later possibilities of using dreams.
What you are calling "lies" I am calling "uncensored communications with the self". I believe that this is a communication with myself about the content. Rewriting history of an event is a communication with one's self about the content. AN HONEST COMMUNICATION, which may or may not employ symbolizm and metaphor.
But this is my method of dream work.
Antique Hoax wrote:
The dream source: I had made a mistake at work that day that 'embarrassed' me because it was pure dee dumb. Not only that, I did very poorly in how I handled it with my co-workers who of course all witnessed the mistake.
The dream: When I became lucid that night my dreamscape was my work-place and the 'mistake' was in the air. My dream-mind was 'running' the traumatic event. I'm not going to get into the details of how accurately this scene can be re-played by the dream-mind but it isn't an exact replication.
I was 'in' dream-body experiencing the dream as living it. (it's less intense when viewing yourself, feelings are not as magnified)
What I was doing was interacting with my co-workers the way in which I wish I would have after making my mistake.
It was working this way. It was a 'scene' that didn't seem to have an end. It didn't start over and 'play' again, it just kept playing and that felt 'normal'. It wasn't 'mechanical'. It wasn't mistake, me acting correctly, blip mistake, me acting correctly, blip mistake...
My very best friend was 'lying' to me. I'm ok with it.
The dream-mind deals with more real problems than embarrassment. What I find more and more lately is my dreams are helping me deal with my father's brain-tumor. I'm scared inside. I won't go into details of how, that is too personal, but it does involve my dream-mind 'lying' to me in various ways. So I can deal with it better.
Well, I think this is a perfect example that we are only disagreeing on terminology, AH. For example, in my dream, the brain spatter showed up like cauliflower plastic stuff, but there is no doubt that this meant that somebody got their brains blown out there. BTW, I never knew why my Dad got rid of that car so quickly after getting it. LOL!
Antique Hoax wrote:
Ex-CoS should have 'bad' dreams. Nightmares at first. It's in the water. To what level they are aware of them is academic to some degree. The dream itself is the 'medicine'. If I had become lucid after the dream scenario described above, I would have never 'known' about it. The intention was to 'trick' my mind into thinking I had acted better and avoided my embarrassment. Maybe so I wouldn't dred going to work the next day? Interact with my co-workers like I was my usual self, never making a mistake? Ha.
So what type of dreams are we hearing Ex's are having? Some not that bad, some totally horrible, some ill-defined and some border-line funny even. Whatever they are, if you look at them, I think you will find your very best friend trying to help you deal with a deeply traumatic experience. Even if it means 'lying' to you. In short, having you act more like you wish you would have, more brave, more whatever...
What I don't think you are going to find in your dream-world is that you've been programmed by the CoS to kill someone when you are given the 'trigger' word.
So there's what I guess I needed to post to feel ok. I hope everyone else feels ok too. I'm not wanting to tell you how much dreaming is right for you, or what your dreams mean to you. I'm wanting to tell you your dream-mind has the ability to alter your perception of reality (lie to you) and uses that ability to help you deal with your problems. Every night, multiple times, whether you know it or not.
That's why I call it HONEST COMMUNICATION that DOESN'T LIE. Dreams always instruct, process, assist. That is what they are there for IMO. It is a great library of information for survival IMO.
But you can't really take all dreams literally. For example, I do not believe that my dream means I want a "man cuddle" from Arnie but I am talking to myself about how I perceive Arnie in terms of our relationship. In other words, my dream told me I can reveal myself to Arnie because he is fighting on the same side as myself.
Now, say Roan had the same dream. Firstoff, I don't think he would ever admit it or write about it because he is clearly an homophobe. I reckon that he would probably not assess this dream as wanting to be "mancuddled" if he had it. He would say "dreams LIE" (unless he knew what the metaphor meant) and take a bath in Lysol. In my theory, I did not cover up my nakedness because I wanted to be TRANSPARENT to Arnie, not because I wanted sex with him. In fact, I daresay that if Roan had the same dream and found himself half naked in bed with a man, he would COVER UP his nakedness.
And here I am posting the truth and am naked about something important to me regarding Scientology.
AH, this might be interesting to you:
I have a sleeping disorder. I go immediately into R.E.M. sleep. This means that as long as I am asleep (unless very ill or drugged with sedatives) I am dreaming. My dreams (which are lucid on demand after all this work) take up more time than my waking life. They are very important in my world. I can still remember specific dreams I had while residing in my CRIB before I could WALK. I started doing dream WORK when I was FOUR. I had horrible nightmares and other types of dreams of being in the body of adults which were unnatural for a child to have. This was a matter of great interest to my Dad's associates who included various Military/Industrial types and Spychiatrists.
This is why I did a lot of dream work and why I have my little opinions about dream landscapes. The people handling my case were also interested in how my dream mind processed hypnotic suggestions and other things (things that you probably don't believe in but they did) like precognition, telepathy and reconniassance. So, I was queried continually about my dreams. My brother was also in this program as well. We were shuffled into it at a very early age after aptitude testing and actually taken out of school once a week and for six weeks or more in the summer. My brother's dream work also involved sequential eposidic battlefield information retrieval and translation of heiroglyphs- two specific dream and mind research areas I don't recall being engaged in myself. We like to compare notes, as a lot of our amnesia about these events is coming unglued.
Antique Hoax wrote:
Enjoy life. "Living well is the best revenge."
AH, before I depart for the day I wanted to tell you that I am sorry to hear about your Father's continuing struggle with cancer. Our family is also struck by cancer, so I have some idea how difficult these times must be for you. I just want to say that I care deeply about you, and pray for the kindest possible outcome for your family during these trying times. I know you are up to the challenge, but it's got to be a heartbreaker.