Roan wrote:
Os Wilkes wrote:
Now, say Roan had the same dream. Firstoff, I don't think he would ever admit it or write about it because he is clearly an homophobe. I reckon that he would probably not assess this dream as wanting to be "mancuddled" if he had it. He would say "dreams LIE" (unless he knew what the metaphor meant) and take a bath in Lysol. In my theory, I did not cover up my nakedness because I wanted to be TRANSPARENT to Arnie, not because I wanted sex with him. In fact, I daresay that if Roan had the same dream and found himself half naked in bed with a man, he would COVER UP his nakedness.
..........
No, let's
not say Roan has the same dream!! I don't
have dreams about being naked in bed with dudes!
You do!!
And
if I did: I would
never in a million years go on a message board and discuss a respected male critic being nekid in my bed.
Especially one who recently retired and would not appreciate being mentioned thus!
Does that make me a homophobe?!? Fine! Guilty as charged!
But I really just want to say: EEWWWWWWWWWWWW! Keep your freakazoid wet dreams to yourself, eh?
.............
Actually, Roan-
Being naked in public or in front of others you would never get naked in front of in waking life is a common dream, one of the more frequently reported scenarios. It has been very well discussed in literature and research, and has been beaten into the ground in terms of what it may mean to the dreamer. In the context reported, it does NOT MEAN that the person (myself in this case) wants to be sexual.
Since you deign to respond to my post- apparently attempting to impugn my motives by speaking for Arnie on the subject- I am certain he has some education about psychology and would not see it the way you do. I expect Arnie would probably feel as good about the dream (and as bad about it) as I do, and for the same reasons.
Here is the
meat of your response to my post, reflected back at you:
You have "projected"
homosexual content and intent onto a situation where none exists- in a
negative and
hostile manner. A person who is not
insecure about their sexuality does not
see homosexual content where none exists, and does not respond in a
negative and
hostile manner when confronted with the idea of it. You have decided to make a public showing that you are a hetty, while insulting someone
you believe to be an
homo.
You have accused me of being
homosexual several times now, and I gather that this is
your perception of myself and Smitty (however erroneous). You have admitted being an homophobe. You have stated that if
you had such a dream you would not discuss it. I reckon you feel
you have more to hide than I do.
ClamBakers this is important:
L. Ron Hubbard was an homosexual who projected his own insecurities about his virility into Scientology by creating an homophobic mindset in his followers. Please inform yourselves about the nature and causes of homophobia:
http://wiu.edu/UCOSO/homphdis.htmQuote:
Overly defensive, possibly because they are trying to cover up their own homosexual feelings, thoughts, or actions (e.g., a person acts on homosexual feelings, is guilt/shame-ridden, and as a defense, fears or hates homosexuals).
Be that as it may-
Perhaps AH could comment on what it may mean in Dreamville when one finds themselves waking up in bed with a person they hold in high esteem while discussing a common enemy (organized crime, black military/industrial psyops).
To AH,
My dreams are extremely detailed for the most part. They are only vague and disordered when I am extremely ill or take sleeping meds. This is be due to the sleeping disorder which keeps me physically exhausted most of the time. When I was most active, I also suffered from narcolepsy, which my "spychiatrist" treated with Ritalin. This enabled more lucid dreaming, and created a disconnect between reality and dreamtime, but I was able to stay awake all day to do my work. (BTW- The use of Ritalin on children is one thing Scientology rightly is against. But then, a stopped clock is also "right" twice in every twenty four hour period.)
I would rather be tired and have these dreams than be normal and not have these dreams. I see EVERYTHING better in dreams. It has always been this way. My dreams are much more real to me than my waking state. I learn a lot from dreams, especially about people and their associations. You would not believe what I learn from dreams. Maybe Smitty will comment, he has seen what comes out of my dreams and has reaped the benefits of it on occasion.
If anyone wants to dream like this, there is a chance that such dreams
can be induced by following a harsh but well tested method.
Caveat-
You will pay for it during the day. You too will become exhausted. You shouldn't attempt this if you have responsibilities requiring mental acuity or motor skills, or if you have to drive, use fire or flame, operate power tools or hazardous machinery. It can be mind altering, so treat this as though you would an LSD trip at first. Do it with a friend or relative nearby.
That being said, if you would like to try, I will discuss it below:
It requires no drugs or devices or meditation or hypnosis or anything other than an alarm clock. You could drink coffee, tea or maté during the day, but it is not necessary.
Stay up as long as you can, and when you go to bed, set your alarm clock to go off in 45 minutes. When it goes off, repeat it. ALL NIGHT. Wake up and do your daily chores and safe activities, and repeat this process for as long as you can stand it. Friday and Saturday night might be enough to get some vivid dreaming going, but you need to go longer if you want to get to where I am at. If you take a nap during the day, set the alarm. It doesn't matter when you sleep, only how long you sleep. Never more than 45 minutes. You might begin to have amazing hypnagogic effects around the third day.
Hypnagogia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
You may also begin to have some pretty interesting dreams after a weekend of this. You may remember them in much better detail than you ever did before.
AH-
You know that R.E.M. sleep comes later in the normal person's sleep cycle than it does for me. Waking a normal person up repeatedly before the deep sleep cycle occurs
forces a person into experiencing
R.E.M. out of sequence. R.E.M. will begin to occur during the 45 minutes between alarms. R.E.M. is MORE NECESSARY than deep sleep, so it bumps itself forward to express during the time allotted. One's dreams must express. When a person says they don't have dreams, that is almost never true. Actually, they dream but forget that they have dreamt. Waking up DURING a dream helps one remember it. Physical duress helps one experience vivid dreams.
This is pretty damned harsh. YOU WILL BE EXHAUSTED. You might not like what you dream about. But you will probably remember most of your dreams, and in pretty good detail. The vivid nature of the dreams and the hypnagogic events can trigger psychosis-like mental states, so you need to warn people that you might be a bit kooky during this experiment- just like you would if you were experimenting with LSD. You have to always remember that the effects you are experiencing are due to duress, and are expressions of your own subconscious mind.
If you have had an abusive or traumatic past (child abuse, combat, traumatic accidents, crime... that sort of thing), this will probably express itself as "flashback" type events, which seem very real. So, if you know you could have an abreaction, discuss this IN ADVANCE OF ATTEMPTING IT with your psychologist or psychiatrist. You could need psychological support in the case of dredging up repressed trauma.
You need to go into this experiment knowing that this will be
you communicating with
yourself, so if you see benevolent space brothers or demons, it's not reality.
On the other hand, your subconscious processes huge amounts of data which never gets noticed by your conscious mind. You will be able to access this information literally and metaphorically, and will be able to know things you never thought you could know. This is especially helpful in interpersonal interchange, because most people are socially dishonest about themselves on some level. Your subconscious picks up data and clues and can cut through the deceptions.
You need to be wise and experienced to rely on the information you get from dreams, though. This requires long study, which you (AH) have already accomplished. For example, one may dream one's girlfriend is cheating with the postman. If you are well studied and wise you will know if you are dreaming about your own insecurities or in fact processing the subtle clues they have been dropping in your presence that you have ignored or dismissed as paranoid.
Don't let any guru tell you what your dreams mean- look at them from all possible angles, and your intuition will inform you.
One possible effect of this experiment is that you may experience a "kick start" of your dream recall that will persist for months or years. Another possible effect is that your intuition ability will become enhanced. So will your suggestibility. This technique is the equivalent of Scientology Tech, so be very careful about what you FEED YOUR HEAD while under the influence of sleep deprivation. It's best not to feed it anything, but to extract info from yourself while in this state. Keep a digital voice operated recorder on your nightstand and dictate your dreams into it immediately when the alarm goes off. These are cheap and you can get them at Office Depot or a similar store. Alternately, you could write them down. Some people think writing is better.
You must be able to get deep, restful sleep BEFORE you attempt any normal life functions in the real world. So when you want to come back to normal life, you might consider setting aside about twenty hours to sleep, and take a xanax, librium or valium before laying down.
Oh yeah- you will probably want to use a sledge hammer on the alarm clock by the time you are through with this experiment. If you get rid of the clock, keep the recorder and continue to document your dreams every night.
Aside from the initial discomfort, this technique can produce amazing results, but should be applied with care.
BTW- about R.E.M. sleep:
The same kind of spychiatrists who were interested in my brother and I were also studying CATS sometimes employing horrific vivisections upon them. GRRRR!!!!!!!
Cats have the same type of R.E.M. events as do humans, but they spend most of their life sleeping and dreaming whereas humans spend about a third of their life sleeping and a lot less of it in R.E.M. states. Perhaps that is because evolution is compassionate in it's way.
Cats require highly concentrated food (meat) acquired with as little effort as possible, eat it quickly and sleep to conserve energy in between. Horses and goats must stay awake long hours eating large amounts of low energy food (grass and the like). Humans as omnivores forage, scrounge and have adapted to hunt, so they spend long hours awake to acquire food with as high energy content as possible (plant, berries, roots, tubers, seeds, nuts, honey, carrion, meat, insects). So they may be designed to spend more hours active in order to survive.
But all consciousness needs to express whether you are sleeping or awake. So cats who have lots of R.E.M. sleep- are really being conscious in a quality or quantity that people aren't. I am also like cats, in that I am pretty well conscious 24/7 unless ill. I always know that I am dreaming while dreaming, and that is called "lucid dreaming". "Lucid" might be a misnomer in reference to any part of
my consciousness, but they call it that anyhow.
I hope this has been an informative and fun post. I enjoy talking about this stuff, as it has occupied a huge amount of my consciousness, such that it is.
Talk to all y'all tomorrow, God willing.
Love,
Os[/i]
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