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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: NARCONON, Cash cow for a cult! Reply with quote

OK, Some of you my have read about a few of my WOG experiences here, thanks to Tory Magoo. I am know ready to share a more expanded version of and experiences with C of S particularly SO. And away we go.

Ah! ignorance is bliss!

So, i show up at the office like it i usually do. LATE! I go to my cubical and get ready for the days work load. Then the phone rings. i answer it, Why its someone named Barbara from Golden Era Productions. Who the hell is Golden era productions i ask myself? Barbara explains to me Gold is a production arm for the Church of Scientology.

I had never heard of Scientology before. So we talk about motion picture films and such. Golden era is interested in a process my company used to make wide screen films. I forward the call to my boss. Then forget the whole thing.

About a month late the boss comes down and says boys , we are going to California to make a movie. I think to myself, Ah, hollywood. mecca for the film maker. never been there so i,m happy to be going.

After our little chat with the boss, my co-worker pete, whom is a church of God member fills me in on what Scientology is all about. Not much is shared here. As the internet was not up yet and cult was not something you saw on the evening news,s .My pal said a cult was like the moonies and such. I just shrugged my shoulders and said so what. look at you, you talk in tongues in church. Different strokes for different folks.

We decide that in order to do the job right we should drive to the locations that we will be filming in. Load up the truck and head west. But wait ! We have to make a side trip to a place called Chilocco Oklahoma. Middle of nowhere USA. I ask what are we filming there and am told NARCONON.

So , here i am working for Golden Era Productions, which is part of the Church of Scientology and now i,m heading to a NARCONON facility? I,m a confused camper at this point.

Finally we arrive. It is early fall and the leaves on the trees are changing colors. We have arrived at the NEW NARCONON facility. Actually the facility belongs in some weird way to the United States Federal Government.

It is on perpetual loan to the American indians in the area. The school is known as The 5 Indian Nations Agricultural College. The campus is on a very flat piece of land. The building are all of stone construction. It is a very nice place. But what was NARCONON doing here? in the middle of nowhere? I was soon to find out.

The Indians had not used the school to the Fed's liking. So, the School looked for a renter to upgrade the school and breath new life into it. Enter NARCONON.

At first glance NARCONON seemed like a dream tenant. Flush with cash and full of promises. This is what the Indian elders wanted and needed. No only could they fulfill their obligation to the Fed,s, they could also bring in a group that could help out with the ever rising drug and alcohol problems running rampant within the indian community at the time.

Little did the Indian elders and local officials know what was about to be unleashed upon them. Madness!

Now this is where i get my first taste as to what NARCONON is and how it was connected to Scientology.

The whole film Sea Org arm of Golden Era Productions flew out and drove out to Chilocco. At this time, everyone was wearing civilian clothes. So, i thought to myself, hey not a bad group of young people here. lets make a film!

No one really wanted to talk about their religion at the time so i just rolled with it. We started our filming by setting up classrooms. In these classrooms we placed many books and machines i did not understand at the time.I thought these texts and other materials were to help the addict get his or her life back on track. Hey ! maybe i need some of this tech? More on that later.

So, i start putting 2 and 2 together. NARCONON/DIANETIC'S. DIANETIC'S/NARCONON. Are they one in the same? Now i start getting a weird feeling something is not on the up and up.

All the people here are for treatment via the NARCONON method, yet all i see is books by one man. This mans name is L Ron Hubbard. Founder of the Church of Scientology.

Now the picture is becoming clearer to me. Here is what conclusion i came to. Hubbard writes this series of books. NARCONON uses this writings as a basis to help the individual overcome his or her addictions. Hence the poor individual trades one addiction for another one.

Now here is where it really hits me. Like a cold slap of reality,I realize i,m part of a SCAM and a big one at that.

Heres how this WOG got a clue. Take a group of individuals. Most of these young people are at the end of their rope. They have emotional problems, drug and sexual problems.Get them out in the middle of nowhere and spoon feed them what you want them to hear. The captive audience they are. Out of sight, out of mind!

Now most American insurance companies will pay for a 30-60 day stay at an approved drug treatment facility. This to the tune of between $15,000 to $45,000 per stay.

As NARCONON pays a large fee, i mean LARGE fee to C of S to use LRH,s teachings, It did not take a rocket scientist to see where the money was going. It was not going into improving the lives of the locals. It was indoctrinating the NARCONON members with a new ideology, a new way of life. That of the scientologist.

Needless to say, at the moment in time, here in Chilocco, i was starting to question what i was doing here. For that matter, i started asking myself am i wrong and scientology has the answer's? I did not sleep well in Chilocco, ever!


In my next installment, i will tell you how we film makers faked technical training rooms, computer rooms, how we made this school in the middle of nowhere look to be the answer to all the worlds problems, thru Dianetic's.

Peace, Gumby
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anxiously awaiting the next installment, Gumby.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too look forward to reading your next chapter.

I was at the Narconon Chilocco Grand Opening. It's where I met
Mike Rinder and my impression of him was that he was a pompous
ass.

I knew a few of the NN Chilocco staff, Mike and Maureen St. Amand
and Gary Smith. I'm not sure if they are all still with NN or not.

But anyway, thanks for taking the time to tell us about this.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, Gumby, look forward to the rest of the story.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Gumby.

Very interesting.

Looking forward for the next installment.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gumby---ya made it here!

EXCELLLLLLLLLLLLLENT Wink

I'm so excited to read ALL of your story--and hopefully yours will inspire
others who "worked for Scientology" to come forward, too, and talk.

I know with the Top Secret Internet gang I worked for, they told me they'd hired Computer geeks to Spam the Net, basically. I was opening up the phony accounts (didn't know what they were doing with them, they'd terrorized me NOT to read the Net --long story--but true---and I trusted the guy who got me into it)--and they were using them to SPAM the Net of anythng the Execs didn't want known. Shocked

So I'd LOVE to hear from some of those people, too.

Thanks for sharing---great stories> I can't wait for the next one Wink

Happy Holidays~~~cheers

Tory/Magoo~~
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: NARCONON/ WOLVES in SHEEPS CLOTHING Reply with quote

Thank you Tory! now more of the show!

PART-2, NARCONON. So, here i am stuck in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of people i do not know or understand what they are selling. The Indian college is pretty much empty. I do not see any native americans around. I do know some people are here on campus though.

Maybe a little look around on my own will shed some light on the many questions i have, so away i go on a have a look around stroll.

I stroll over to what seems like just another classroom hall. I walk inside and look into one of the classrooms. On the table are a bunch of clay figures? Play-doe therapy? No one was around so i strolled a little further down the hall. I came upon a room full of young people seated facing each other. Between the 2 individuals was a machine of some type.

looked somewhat like a lie detector from some b- movie. Seems everyone was flunking. I kept hearing this word over and over. Now me being a little paranoid decided to head back to main hall. People playing with clay figures and electrical devices looked like big and or bad mojo to this guy!

I,m finally told what the hell is going on here. I,m working on a film called ,:The Purification Rundown". The film will be shown all over the world and help mankind solve his day to day problems.

So this here NARCONON has it's own way of dealing with the removal of the harmful effects of our modern lives and lifestyle, thru nutrition, sauna's and the teachings of LRH.

OK, i,m cool with that. Yet this one thing keeps popping up in the back of my head.

The food here is terrible. I mean boiled ham, mac and cheese,on and on. That and the fact everybody is smoking cigarettes. The kitchen is a dump.Can't escape the smell of cigarettes.

More food for thought i guess. So, now comes the time when actual filming begins. We shoot all our exteriors without a problem. It is when we start to set up our interior shots that things get a little odd.

So here i am! In a classroom with a bunch of SO members i do not know and a bunch people in NARCONON rehab looking like a bunch of lost sheep. ready to jump the fence, when their new masters bark.

YIKES! The classroom has to be ,how do i say this, created! yes created for the viewer to grasp its importance. So we coach all the NARCONON clients to act as though they are experiencing life changing events. Everybody is winning.

I feel very dirty at this moment. Here i am, some fool working for a pay check, showing a bunch of people down on their luck how to act happy. God, once again i have whored myself for a dollar. Who the hell am i to tell all these hurting souls how to act happy.

Clients come up to me and tell me how much they appreciate our work. I,m in way over my head. I must shine the lie even more. I must make it believable. This lie is tugging at the fabric of my being. It is challenging everything i have come to know.

Once again, tonight i will not sleep. I am a small part of something bigger. I,m afraid of what's inside that dark closet. I fear the bigger picture.

Maybe today will be better, if there is such a thing as better within a cult.Today we have to fake a technical lab. A welding shop. This is to show the general public how NARCONON is a good community steward. What we did was this. We took the lone Indian on the campus, dressed him in some welding gear and set him in front of the camera. Action! act like your in a big tech school learning a new trade. And cut. So much for NARCONON'S technical school program.

Now we have to film some serious $cientology mojo. We look around campus for a room we can create a warm library, filled with all the teaching and writings of LRH. ENTER the sacred book of Hubbard. This is one huge leather bound book of scriblings from the profit himself. Man , we make the room look like Nobel peace prize winners do their research here.

During the course of 4-5 days this is how it went. Bad food, long days and an ideology i still couldn't figure out.

Then SHE came down from the mountian. In all her glory. Kirstie Alley would be gracing us with her presents. All the SEA ORG peeps are running around like its the end of the world. My question is ,who the hell is Kirstie Alley and how is she going to sell this claymation based,cigarette smoking ,boiled ham and Niacin pounding drug recovery program to the masses?

In my next installation i will talk a little about Ms Alley

Peace, Gumby
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gumby,
Go on my man, go on! Nothing says you are making their lives better than boiled ham and Niacin. Can't wait to hear what groundbreaking things KA was up to there.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Gumby.
I am really enjoying your story about Narconon Chilloco ( spelling?).
I was actively suppressing them as best I could. I was sending proof of Narconon's connection to Dn/Scn to Mayor Gary Bilger and Newspaper Editor Bob Lobsinger. I sent them Scn promo clearly showing Narconon on the Command Channels of cos and other scn materials showing Narconon to be an arm of cos. I had a close friend who was there speaking to the City Council and such and educating them on the facts re Narconon/Scientology/ L Ron Hubbard/ Purification Rundown. It was a hot time . Were you there when the septic systems overflowed and covered their base with feces? What a funny story.
Please continue with your amusing and well-written account of your 'involvement' with the cult.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good job, La!

Gumby---Once again, Sooooooooooo good to read your story.
What touched me most was your feelings about this:

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I feel very dirty at this moment. Here i am, some fool working for a pay check, showing a bunch of people down on their luck how to act happy. God, once again i have whored myself for a dollar. Who the hell am i to tell all these hurting souls how to act happy.


I've always wondered (even when "in") if the non-Scios hired ever had any feelings about this group, or not. I'm happy to hear you did.

Keep it rolling, dood, it's fantastic to hear the Play-by-Play cheers

I'm proud of you, GOOD JOB! Wink

Tory/Magoo~~~
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for this info, very interesting indeed.

Gumbythetruth:
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I,m in way over my head. I must shine the lie even more. I must make it believable. This lie is tugging at the fabric of my being. It is challenging everything i have come to know.


I can see why you could not sleep at night. What a shocking way to learn all about scientology.

Look forward to hearing more.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: NARCONON PART-3 Reply with quote

The campus is abuzz with rumor today. Some actress is flying in and giving a talk to the camera about the fine work NARCONON is doing. Who is this great sage and sanctioned mouthpiece for Sceintology/Narconon?

Why it is none other than herself Ms Kirstie Alley! Damn. seems the cult is dragging the river bottom for a respectable spokesperson. Anyway, before her highness makes her appearance to we wogs, "actually i am a polliewog" We need to shoot some interaction with the infamous E-Meter.

Ah the e-meter. Talk about a dinosaur in a new wrapper. Everyone gazed at this machine made by man. Did it have all of mans answers to lifes questions? This i do not know, yet it did come in a nice shade of blue.

So i ask one of the SEA ORG members what the hell does this thing do! I was seated, with an auditor across from me. The auditor reached over and pinched my forearm. Sorry, no voices from heaven blasted me with enlightenment. Just a slight burning sensation from the pinch. So, i,m asked a bunch of off the wall questions, then i am asked it i remember that pinch! Before a can say yes the big meter moves back and forth. I am amazed and immediately reach for my wallet and credit cards! LOL, just kidding.

Man, thats the strangest whatever it was, session about whatever i have ever had, and i,m roman catholic.

I,m told i,m stressed. I tell them of course i,m stressed, I,m in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of reformed addicts and a wacked bunch of cultists.Making a film about some kind of snake oil treatment that will save mankind. My mind is somehow being challenged. is it peer group pressure? The need to belong to the group? Hell no! It's my moron of a boss for getting me into this ankle deep gene pool!

Now finally her highness has decided to grace us with her present's. The train wreck and her handlers have arrived and court is in session.

As The 5 Indian Nations Agricultural college was in need on some repairs, it was difficult to select a location that would make Ms. Alley look her finest.

We located an old unused classroom, Draped all the walls with used carpet to cut down on the sounds coming into the building. Then we made a little area for the camera to be set up and an audio recording area also.

Then we wait. This seems to be something of a tradition within my industry. Wait! I think to myself ,how much makeup and wardrobe does it take to dress up something the size of a refrigerator? I know that was mean, but hey, if she can dish it out she;s gonna have to take it.LOL!

Finally Ms,Alley appears! The SEA ORG handlers are on her like fly's on, well you get the point. Major ass kissing is going on. Eyes dart around the room. How dare you gaze on Ms, Alley without permission.

I am now fed to the lioness. I approach her. Is it cold in here? Oh, its just me. I welcome her and explain how we would like to film her. She is listening to me , yet never make's eye contact or any basic human acknowledgement that i am there. Must be that TONE scale. I think i,m 1.5.LOL

So this ice queen is the face of scientology. Ha! So we shoot the interview and the cool chill leaves as Ms, Alley exits the room.

What words came out of her mouth? What did she say that would make one want to seek out NARCONON? I must have missed out on that. Here is what i did hear.

Hello, I,m Kiristie Alley. You may know me from the tv show Cheers. Blah, Blah.

I was a cocaine and sex addict on the road to ruin until NARCONON and Scientology came into my life. Hmmmm! Sounds like ,either some one is getting paid big time here or some one has some major dirt on the other party. A B- List actress as a spokesperson for a cult. Not a good marketing angle.

Thats about all she had to say. At the time Kirstie was going thru a divorce from Parker Jaminson and Ms. Alley was being hounded by the tabloids about her weight. She was liven large at the time i filmed her.

Man, can't this cult find some A list actors to fly the Scieno banner? This chick is lame. So i leave Chilocco with this. Once more the White man has come to the American Indian and sold him a pack of lie's. Once again a small group is exploiting sick individuals for profit. Once more no one seems to give a shit! I leave Chilocco knowing hell does exist here on earth. In the guise of men.

Only when i get to Hemet and Gilman Hotsprings will i get the full mind fucking that is Scientology.

Peace, Gumby
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh can't wait to hear about Hemet!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gumby---

Excellent, again. You said:
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Man, thats the strangest whatever it was, session about whatever i have ever had, and i,m roman catholic.


No--just for clarification (unless you were joking)---that wasn't a "Session".
It was just what they call "The Pinch Test". It's supposed to show you that YOU can RECALL your own thoughts. The other questions were just said to distract you, thus proving out of the blue, your thoughts on the pinch read on the meter. Were you impressed? I guess not! I think that's a common response in this day and age. It used to work, as people bought the PT Barnum shows more--without the Net to teach them to LOOK. Now people see *anything* odd, and their first response is: "I'll check it out in Google".
HA! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Keep goin'---this is great to read about.

Happy Holidays to you, Gumby Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Stress test Reply with quote

magoo1 wrote:
Gumby---

Excellent, again. You said:
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Man, thats the strangest whatever it was, session about whatever i have ever had, and i,m roman catholic.


No--just for clarification (unless you were joking)---that wasn't a "Session".
It was just what they call "The Pinch Test". It's supposed to show you that YOU can RECALL your own thoughts. The other questions were just said to distract you, thus proving out of the blue, your thoughts on the pinch read on the meter. Were you impressed? I guess not! I think that's a common response in this day and age. It used to work, as people bought the PT Barnum shows more--without the Net to teach them to LOOK. Now people see *anything* odd, and their first response is: "I'll check it out in Google".
HA! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Keep goin'---this is great to read about.

Happy Holidays to you, Gumby Wink

Tory/Magoo~~


Thank you for the stress test clarification Tory. I think i was blinded by the 20 something cutie stressing me! LOL Laughing

Lots of young girls running around on the set. Meters everywhere. The room took on the feeling of a group coffee buzz, if there is such a thing. Could this be the carrot, this horse would follow to Hemet? Is Scientology awash in babes? Only time and Gold would reveal this to me. I must gain this knowledge, or is it the lack of sleep that is making me fall prey to the sirens song?

The road makes one think strange thoughts.

Peace, Gumby
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