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Post by chuckbeatty » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:19 pm

If anyone has recently left the Int Base, please contact by private email Little Bear Victor, or anyone you trust, and please share the news on life at Int.

This is a standing order, please keep the news on life at Int flowing, over the years!

It is important for viewing the health, growth, decline, whatever, of the Scientology movement to see if the "basics" are either still disintegrated at Int, or are Hubbard "rewards" policies going back into use at Int.

I urge all former Int Base staff who left Int in 2007, or 2008, to PLEASE find some other ex Int staff member you trust, and relay the news on life at Int.

Or post yourself.

Or phone me, if you wish.

I network with media, writers, scholars, I wish longrange to keep up a tradition of leaking out the life events that show the health or progress or growth or decline of the top ranks of the Scientology movement.

So if you left Int in recent months, PLEASE find some other ex member, ex Int staffer, and share the skinny!

Thankyou!
Chuck Beatty 412-260-1170
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Post by chuckbeatty » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:12 am

Regarding blownforgood's reliability, a former Sea Org member who I personally have for decades respected, said the following about blownforgood's reliability:

"BFG is correct again. (BFG is the most reliable source I have seen on
the Internet. Instead of the wild crap I read he tells facts. (As a
side note, now you know what I object to and what I accept as
accurate. BFG is wholly accurate.)

"DM was extremely foul mouthed and swore non stop. This is not an
exaggeration. He constantly referred to men or women as cunts,
bitches, etc. He always used the F word in all circumstances. He
just never did not swear is the point. Asking for examples is like
asking for everytime he spoke from 1996 to PT. He just has the
foulest mouth and attitude I have ever seen. He constantly threatened
with swearing or saying he wanted to strangle or punch out the person.
I told me he wanted to strangle me once.

"Ask me if I have ever heard anyone use fouler language more degrading
to people? Answer, not even remotely close.

"And yes he would sometimes say two people like men were having some
kind of homosexual affair like this was the worst perversion possible
(even though everyone knew they weren't doing anything of the sort).

"Dave is the worst of humankind making our intellectual argument over
Scn and its beliefs an irrelevant joke. Dave acts more like mankind
is merely a brain and a piece of meat and should be treated as such.

"God I wish I had a tape of him speaking. But the secretarys cut out
all the bad language when they type up the taped conferences."

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I would like to hear from any recent people defecting out of the top ranks of the Scientology movement, IF any of the negative publicity about David Miscavige has resulted in David Miscavige improving his behavior towards the top ranked people at Int.
Chuck Beatty 412-260-1170
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Peter Schless

Post by moonbeam » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:42 pm

does anyone know where Peter Schless. I heard that he passed away and wonder if that is true? There is absolutely nothing on the internet about this man.

Moonbeam

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Post by mr_bad » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:20 pm

Chuck,

How would the world feel, if they knew Tom Cruise was best buddies with someone who constantly refered to people as cunts & fags, and constantly threatened to strangle people?

It's just a matter of time. Everyone will know eventually.

mb

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Post by elwood » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:28 pm

We need some intel from iinside Gold or Flag. Is there a complete communications blackout? What's going on inside the Cult right now?

How are the Orgs responding to all the flap?
When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy.
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Post by chuckbeatty » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:33 pm

mr_bad wrote:Chuck,

How would the world feel, if they knew Tom Cruise was best buddies with someone who constantly refered to people as cunts & fags, and constantly threatened to strangle people?

It's just a matter of time. Everyone will know eventually.

mb


My hope is that the negative exposure of David Miscavige's behaviour will have a humbling effect on him, and I hope Tom Cruise has sufficiently frank conversations with David to take up this matter of David's behavior at least.

Miscavige does NOT have any Ethics Officer that keeps in Miscavige's ethics, nor do I think there is any Cramming Officer at Int with enough ethics presence or status to correct Miscavige.

So what we have at the top ranks of Scienotlogy is a situtation of the top power person having unchecked power and no one to temper this humanly corrupting situation.

Power unchecked leads to absolute tyranical behavior that Miscavige has been demonstrating this last decade.

No one else seems to have any influence on David.

Hubbard warns of this, even, in the 1959 "Individuation" tape lecture.

Outside media, outside pressure, or David's friends, like Tom Cruise, are the means to hopefully effect a positvie change on Miscavige's abuse of his top dog domineering attitude that has made life so unpleasant at the tippy top ranks of the Scientology movement this last decade in particular.

I just hope all the bad publicity results in LESS of Miscavige's savage demeaning punitive behavior, which just makes life in the top ranks so unpleasant.

I am hoping some new defecting people will speak up, as always they do, when they get out.
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Re: Peter Schless

Post by Little Bear Victor » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:55 pm

moonbeam wrote:does anyone know where Peter Schless. I heard that he passed away and wonder if that is true? There is absolutely nothing on the internet about this man.

Moonbeam


He went into the SP Room at Int in 2006. Never heard of him passing away.
A short history of the Church of David Miscavige: From the fastest growing religion in the world to the fastest shrinking cult in the world in less than 20 years.

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Post by mr_bad » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:20 pm

Chuck,

I hear what you are saying, and I feel the the rank and file Scieno upon hearing about DMs behavior will want him gone.

I believe people want a family friendly church, which means a complete restructuring without DM being anywhere near.

I also believe we are very very close to DM's true nature surfacing on a large scale.
Big changes are in Scientology's near future!

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Post by chuckbeatty » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:56 am

mr_bad wrote:Chuck,

I hear what you are saying, and I feel the the rank and file Scieno upon hearing about DMs behavior will want him gone.

I believe people want a family friendly church, which means a complete restructuring without DM being anywhere near.

I also believe we are very very close to DM's true nature surfacing on a large scale.
Big changes are in Scientology's near future!

mb


Dramatic changes would be welcome, hopefully without sorrow and suffering for members and families.

I'd opt for a life outside of Scientology altogether, but if people stuck in it insist on staying stuck in Hubbard's ideas, I wish them well in first ejecting DM somehow or I hope somehow DM changes dramatically for the better in his treatment of the top ranks.

But even with DM gone, it is hard for me to see how even with DM gone the official followers will deal with the Hubbard built in problems like the huge number of SP High Crimes they must not violate! There are just too many SP High Crimes that LRH laid out.

There are too many Catch 22s that Hubbard has put into the administrative setups and it makes for a totalitarian setup that only pushes staff to extreme behavior decade after decade.

I don't see how they will ever relieve themselves of the totalitarian setup honestly.
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Recent Int Base activities (1 week ago)

Post by Little Bear Victor » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:16 pm

Many very recent photos (last week!) and some related info from the Int Base, as of 14 Jan 08, can be found on ESMB:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3346

In short, a visit by an ex-Int Base staff member with a camera that was so well timed as to reveal, amongst other things, that VIP visitors are being expected on the Base and should arrive right about now...
A short history of the Church of David Miscavige: From the fastest growing religion in the world to the fastest shrinking cult in the world in less than 20 years.

Gumbythetruth

Re: Recent Int Base activities (1 week ago)

Post by Gumbythetruth » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:39 pm

Little Bear Victor wrote:Many very recent photos (last week!) and some related info from the Int Base, as of 14 Jan 08, can be found on ESMB:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3346

In short, a visit by an ex-Int Base staff member with a camera that was so well timed as to reveal, amongst other things, that VIP visitors are being expected on the Base and should arrive right about now...
Maybe some of you might recognize some old friends from these photos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvVFGp61UY

Peace,Gumby

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Post by chuckbeatty » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:34 am

In a message dated 1/24/2008 10:45:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, XXX


@gmail.com writes:


Hi Chuck,

I have a letter below from a friend of a friend and thought you would
enjoy it and would be able to get it out everywhere you could.


Here it is:


"Dear Karin [Pouw, spokesperson for official Scientology],


"I could not resist the opportunity to write you this letter having
read your official rebuttal regarding the Tom Cruise biography.


"I have been involved in the Church of Scientology since birth. David
Miscavige as you well know is my father's brother, making him my
uncle.


"In fact you and I actually know each other although not very well.


"I cannot comment on your responses regarding the personal life of Tom
Cruise because I know nothing about this, but I am absolutely shocked
at how vehemently you insist upon not only denying the truths that
have been stated about the Church in that biography, but then take it
a step further and tell outright lies.


"You go so far as to state:


'7. Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?


'This allegation is not only false, it is the opposite of what the
Church believes and practices.' -Karin Pouw


"As you well know, my parents officially left the Church when I was 16
in 2000. I, having been separated from them at the age of 12 and
thoroughly engulfed in the beliefs of the Church since birth decided
not to go with them.


"Not only was I not allowed to speak to them, I was not allowed to
answer a phone for well over a year, in case it was them calling me.
To give exact specifics, this "law" was enforced ruthlessly by one
Tracye Danilovoch - the local representative for the Religious
Technology Center - who intercepted all letters from my parents (and
my friends). She would then pass them on to Marc Rathbun (the then 2nd
in command of the Church) and Mike Rinder - who happens to be the
former head of YOUR office - "The Office of Special Affairs" (you can
thank me later for not elaborating on this one). Only after they had
seen the letters and decided it was ok for me to see them would I
receive some of them while sitting in a board room while they watched
me read them and asked me to comment on them.


"I was allowed to visit my parents from the age of 16-22, once a year
for a maximum of 3-4 days, but that was only after they (my parents)
threatened legal action if the Church got in the way of this and even
then only after I underwent a "Security Check Confessional" before I
saw them and immediately after I came back. A security check is
interrogation (usually about if I intend on leaving the Church, or
finding out if my parents have said anything bad about the Church,
etc.) while being attached to an electrophsychometer which is similar
to a lie detector. This happened every single time I saw then (which
was never more than 3 or 4 days a year).


"For a more recent example of families being destroyed, My Aunt
Jennifer Pantermeuhl has recently contacted my parents and let them
know that she can no longer speak to them or be in contact with them
because they speak to and live near, my other Aunt Sarah Mortland.
Sarah is my mom's and Jennifer's sister. This is because Sarah is not
in favor with the Church. Jennifer also contacted my brother Sterling
as well as the rest of the family for the same reason most of whom had
to lie to her and said they weren't talking to Sarah for fear of
getting found out about.


"Another good example would be when my other brother, Justin, was in
Florida a few years ago and was on his way to visit our Aunt Denise
Gentile (our father's sister and David Miscavige's twin) with his
girlfriend. Denise abruptly cancelled while they were on their way
over because the Church would not approve - because he was an ex-
member. Not to mention the fact that Kirsten Caetano (a member of the
Church's Office of Special Affairs - the very same organization you
belong to) was contacting Justin several times when he was in Florida
working, telling him that he needed to leave the state because he is
an ex-member and his presence at the "mecca of scientology" was
disturbing to the church. Kristen has admitted to my face that she did
this when I confronted her and even went so far as to admit that she
lied to my brother after denying the incident. This is the least of
what Kirsten Caetano has done!


"You cite this quote from L.Ron Hubbard about what the Church believes
with regards to families..... yes we know what the Church claims to
"believe" and has written in its policies! - BUT do they practice
that? Absolutely not!


" I can name at least 5 friends off the top of my head who's family
members are not allowed to speak to them without being themselves
ousted from the Church and prevented from communicating with other
members of their family and even their children still involved in the
Church lest THEY too be ousted! They cant speak to their children
because they have left the Church on their own determinism. This is a
widespread practice and if you dare deny it I have a list of all of
there names together-these people's families are crying every day
because they can't speak to their children who did nothing but leave
the Church of their own free will.


"If I am in fact wrong and you want to prove me as such, then allow me
and my family to be in contact with our family members that are still
part of the Church such as my Grandpa, Ron Miscavige, and his wife,
Becky. Allow the same of my friends. And don't even start with the,
"it's their choice all along story..." -nobody is going to buy that,
there are way too many destroyed families for that to be true.


"I am tempted to take up many of the other accusations you
categorically deny in your novel, but for the purpose of keeping this
letter readable and focused on the most important part (family) I will
resist.


"I will suggest however that maybe you should spend the manpower and
time of drafting your masterpiece rebuttal - why don't you take the
high road for once and put that time towards repairing the families
you have destroyed, starting with the family of David Miscavige
himself - hell, if Scientology can't keep his family together - then
why on earth should anyone believe the Church helps bring families
together!


"Best,


"Jenna Miscavige Hill"
Chuck Beatty 412-260-1170
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Post by SomebodyElse » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:39 am

Wow! Interesting e-mail that one... :shock:
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Post by pelagic » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:03 am

'7. Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?


What Jenna says is true. I went through all kinds of hoops, so that after I left I would still be able to contact my sister (who was still in, and working for OSA). I would not have bothered otherwise.

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Post by SCIE-NO-MO- » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:55 pm

Greta van Susteren used to have DM's mom work for her until she died a couple of years ago. This was Jenna's grandmother. There is no way that she (Greta) would not have been privy to all this drama going on. How long do you think, Chuck, it will be before she (Greta) is going to be part of the story.

The other day Bill O'Reilly did a Tom Cruise story (the angle was that TC seems a little nutty, but he's entitled to his beliefs) and in the end of the segment he (O'Reilly) said he had a life long friend who's a Scientologist. I understand that the guys at Fox have to be political within their company, but why hasn't Keith Olberman brought this up - or anyone else outside of Fox for that matter? Can anyone explain that to me?

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