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 Post subject: Miscavige's neice speaks up on disconnection and family self
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:00 am 
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"Dear Karin [Pouw, spokesperson for official Scientology],


"I could not resist the opportunity to write you this letter having
read your official rebuttal regarding the Tom Cruise biography.


"I have been involved in the Church of Scientology since birth. David
Miscavige as you well know is my father's brother, making him my
uncle.


"In fact you and I actually know each other although not very well.


"I cannot comment on your responses regarding the personal life of Tom
Cruise because I know nothing about this, but I am absolutely shocked
at how vehemently you insist upon not only denying the truths that
have been stated about the Church in that biography, but then take it
a step further and tell outright lies.


"You go so far as to state:


'7. Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?


'This allegation is not only false, it is the opposite of what the
Church believes and practices.' -Karin Pouw


"As you well know, my parents officially left the Church when I was 16
in 2000. I, having been separated from them at the age of 12 and
thoroughly engulfed in the beliefs of the Church since birth decided
not to go with them.


"Not only was I not allowed to speak to them, I was not allowed to
answer a phone for well over a year, in case it was them calling me.
To give exact specifics, this "law" was enforced ruthlessly by one
Tracye Danilovoch - the local representative for the Religious
Technology Center - who intercepted all letters from my parents (and
my friends). She would then pass them on to Marc Rathbun (the then 2nd
in command of the Church) and Mike Rinder - who happens to be the
former head of YOUR office - "The Office of Special Affairs" (you can
thank me later for not elaborating on this one). Only after they had
seen the letters and decided it was ok for me to see them would I
receive some of them while sitting in a board room while they watched
me read them and asked me to comment on them.


"I was allowed to visit my parents from the age of 16-22, once a year
for a maximum of 3-4 days, but that was only after they (my parents)
threatened legal action if the Church got in the way of this and even
then only after I underwent a "Security Check Confessional" before I
saw them and immediately after I came back. A security check is
interrogation (usually about if I intend on leaving the Church, or
finding out if my parents have said anything bad about the Church,
etc.) while being attached to an electrophsychometer which is similar
to a lie detector. This happened every single time I saw then (which
was never more than 3 or 4 days a year).


"For a more recent example of families being destroyed, My Aunt
Jennifer Pantermeuhl has recently contacted my parents and let them
know that she can no longer speak to them or be in contact with them
because they speak to and live near, my other Aunt Sarah Mortland.
Sarah is my mom's and Jennifer's sister. This is because Sarah is not
in favor with the Church. Jennifer also contacted my brother Sterling
as well as the rest of the family for the same reason most of whom had
to lie to her and said they weren't talking to Sarah for fear of
getting found out about.


"Another good example would be when my other brother, Justin, was in
Florida a few years ago and was on his way to visit our Aunt Denise
Gentile (our father's sister and David Miscavige's twin) with his
girlfriend. Denise abruptly cancelled while they were on their way
over because the Church would not approve - because he was an ex-
member. Not to mention the fact that Kirsten Caetano (a member of the
Church's Office of Special Affairs - the very same organization you
belong to) was contacting Justin several times when he was in Florida
working, telling him that he needed to leave the state because he is
an ex-member and his presence at the "mecca of scientology" was
disturbing to the church. Kristen has admitted to my face that she did
this when I confronted her and even went so far as to admit that she
lied to my brother after denying the incident. This is the least of
what Kirsten Caetano has done!


"You cite this quote from L.Ron Hubbard about what the Church believes
with regards to families..... yes we know what the Church claims to
"believe" and has written in its policies! - BUT do they practice
that? Absolutely not!


" I can name at least 5 friends off the top of my head who's family
members are not allowed to speak to them without being themselves
ousted from the Church and prevented from communicating with other
members of their family and even their children still involved in the
Church lest THEY too be ousted! They cant speak to their children
because they have left the Church on their own determinism. This is a
widespread practice and if you dare deny it I have a list of all of
there names together-these people's families are crying every day
because they can't speak to their children who did nothing but leave
the Church of their own free will.


"If I am in fact wrong and you want to prove me as such, then allow me
and my family to be in contact with our family members that are still
part of the Church such as my Grandpa, Ron Miscavige, and his wife,
Becky. Allow the same of my friends. And don't even start with the,
"it's their choice all along story..." -nobody is going to buy that,
there are way too many destroyed families for that to be true.


"I am tempted to take up many of the other accusations you
categorically deny in your novel, but for the purpose of keeping this
letter readable and focused on the most important part (family) I will
resist.


"I will suggest however that maybe you should spend the manpower and
time of drafting your masterpiece rebuttal - why don't you take the
high road for once and put that time towards repairing the families
you have destroyed, starting with the family of David Miscavige
himself - hell, if Scientology can't keep his family together - then
why on earth should anyone believe the Church helps bring families
together!


"Best,


"Jenna Miscavige Hill"


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:03 am 
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Could someone outline the Miscavige family tree?
Sounds like there is stuff for a another chapter in the book about David Miscavige.

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Where is she? Why doen't she come out to the media?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:32 am 
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Wow, Miscavige has an awfully large amount of dirty laundry (no pun intended).

2008 is on a roll. I can see alot of families (and old friends) getting back together as Scientology disconnection continues to be exposed online, and in the rest of THE MEDIA.

Well done, Jenna! :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:34 am 
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Kudos on Jenna on speaking out and rubishing the fabrications from the church PR.

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All I can say is WOW!!


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I hope that this young woman finds herself in an interview with network news.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:13 pm 
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Disconnection is all about Fear and Revenge and Money.

LRH and DM have both said that "suppression" is the only thing that can stop Scientology."Suppression" is Scieno codespeak for the truth being spoken. Once the truth is known, people will not belong to CoS. They will not pay CoS anymore money.

Disconnection is the Doctrine of two Psychopaths: LRH and DM, both of whom are men who were badly damaged as children. They want to make sure that no one ever leaves them. But if someone leaves them, they are punished by having their Scientology family members taken away from them. This is emotional revenge.

At its heart, Scientology is a form of emotional revenge across all of the dynamics. Ethics are a form of emotional revenge. PTS/SP handling is just another way of Scientologists harming people emotionally under the guise of Disconnection.

Scientology is a punishing and strange Cult that takes the troubled and makes them more troubled. Scientology enshrines greed, nastiness, and emotional revenge -- and all while its members have to act positive and helpful. That Scientologists become schizoid over time results in them Disconnecting from the own true selves.

If Scientology fears anything, it fears people finding out who they really are and what Scientology actually is. Once people know the truth, they will naturally disconnect from the Church of Scientology as their integrity and
self-preservation demand it.

If one must disconnect, then disconnect from the true and actual SP: The Church of Scientology.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:19 pm 
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Anyone interviewed by Anderson Cooper...Pattinson, etc., who might be able to contact him should send this to him pronto. Olberman likes Dr. Dave. Could someone who has the media contacts send this to the appropriate ex/expert critic with a request to use back channels to pass this along?

This has the Miscavige name on it and is petty much a point-by-point refutation of organized $¢i€nto£og¥'$ response the claims made in Morton's bio.

TC is gonna be in the news again this weekend as he is co-hosting the SAG(GY) Awards. This is a good tie-in...pictures of TC at the awards, pictures of TC and BM on the Ducatis, picture of Ronnie Miscavige, bites from the recently released TC rant, Morton's bio goes to number 1 and now THIS: An insider, 2nd generation ex-Sea Ogre nee Miscavige who has a (lucid) bone to pick with the "church."

Tory...Arnie....Chuck...anybody credited in the Morton bio who knows how to get hold of him...book agent's personal number, etc.?

This is a BIG brick out of the Miscavige stonewall (on purpose :wink: ) IMO.

Isn't Ronnie selling real estate for Long and Foster in Williamsburg, VA? Clearly he's pissed,...wonder if he'll go on camera?

Mainstream media is slow as molasses in winter on this sh#te. Ya' gotta spoon-feed 'em the story these days. Broadcast "journalists" are mostly hairdos with voices...with a few exceptions.

Please, those of you who have the back channel contacts: Call and paint the picture for them.

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 Post subject: Digg it
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:34 pm 
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It's up on Digg. Spread the word!

http://digg.com/world_news/David_Miscav ... cientology

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 Post subject: Re: Digg it
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vongole wrote:


This has the potential to escalate into another massive footbullet!!

It's becoming one giant footbullet a week!!

Expect the Kool-Aid cups to be passed around at any time.


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Good for Jenna, she needs to go on to a good news show like 20/20 and speak out.


Its not like Greta will talk to her, she is too busy doing the "missing blond girl" stories.


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 Post subject: Re: Digg it
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mr_bad wrote:
vongole wrote:


This has the potential to escalate into another massive footbullet!!

It's becoming one giant footbullet a week!!

Expect the Kool-Aid cups to be passed around at any time.


Too right, Mr_B - the foot bullets are coming out of a farkin machine gun now. This has gone "popular" on Digg and went from 50 Diggs to 500 in no time at all. The haxors are on to it too. OSA are still trying to catch up with last year's foot bullets - this stuff now is beyond their control.

The poo is piling up on poo. The poo mountain is already too big. They don't have to come to the mountain, it's coming to them!

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Dorthe wrote:
Could someone outline the Miscavige family tree?
Sounds like there is stuff for a another chapter in the book about David Miscavige.

D


I don't know the entire family tree but I do have some information.

Parents:

Ron Miscavige Sr. -- in Sea Org
Loretta Miscavige-- died a few years ago. She was OT 7 or 8


Siblings

Ron Miscavige currently out of Sea Org with his wife Bitty.

Twin Sister Denise Miscavige, Covington, Liccardi, Gentile.
Denise has 3 or 4 kids and lives in CW.

Sister Lori Vernuille (this has several different spellings and
I'm not sure of the correctly one), married and I believe she
still lives in New Hampshire and may have kids in the SO.

The person who wrote the letter to Chuck Beatty may be
Ronnie and Bitty's child. I'm not sure on that tho.

Patty

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I cannot believe this asshole subjected his own flesh and blood to this.

miscaviage removed his niece from his own brother's family.
what a total bastard.

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