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J. Swift
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 Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:32 am Post subject:
Quentin Hubbard and Shawn Lonsdale
Subject description: Suspicious Suicides, Carbon Monoxide, Gay Men, Scientology...
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I just got off the phone to the Sphinx who reminded me that L. Ron Hubbard's son Quentin was found dead in a car outside of Las Vegas. A hose had been connected to the tailpipe of the car and Quentin's death was quickly dismissed as a suicide by carbon monoxide. Quentin was a gay man who had proven an embarrassment to his powerful father. Shwan was a gay man who had proven an embarrassment to Scientology for showing the world how scared and robotic they were as they crossed the crosswalks of Clearwater only when the light said "Walk."
| Quote: | Hubbard's son Quentin also died under mysterious circumstances in 1976. He had disappeared from his home in Clearwater, Florida, and was found unconscious in a car next to the Las Vegas airport. (Coroner's report is attached as Exhibit U. He died unidentified, as a "John Doe.") The engine of the car was on and a hose ran from the exhaust pipe (although it appeared to have fallen off when the authorities arrived) to the window, making it appear to be a suicide. But, like his father's death, there were a number of nagging questions . For example, Quentin was found unkempt with a beard stubble, a state that no one who knew Quentin could accept. (He was ultra-meticulous in his appearance.) Or that the license plate of the car was missing and found under a rock some distance away. Or that his wallet was gone, making identification impossible. Or that a near-empty bottle of liquor was found, as if he had been drinking, when Quentin did not. Or that there were needle marks on his arms, when he did not use drugs
Affidavit of Robert Vaughn Young
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| Quote: | When he (LRH) learned of his son, Quentin's, suicide in October of 1976, he was heard shouting at the top of his voice, "That stupid fucking kid! That stupid fucking kid! Look what he's done to me...."
Chap 2. L. Ron Hubbard -- Messiah? Or Madman? |
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The Sphinx said that this could have been an "Old School" hit, just like what they did to Quentin. There are a few of these sleazy aging Mafioso-connected scum who work for the Cult. These are like the old "Wise Guys" who meet in old bars that have dark red vinyl booths and where people go to buy illegal guns and complain about how the Colombians cut into their drug trade back in 1976.
The similarities are shocking. If this was a Cult hit done via a Third Party, it was meant to scare the kids in Anonymous. They won't scare. They will use their internet skills to investigate and cut past the PR. If there was foul play, the Wise Guys have no idea what they are up against. The forensics, some piece of DNA, will get them if they did this. DM is no doubt rejoicing in the "unlamented demise" of Shawn Lonsdale. It's okay. His turn will come someday and the world will dance on his grave.
I figured that with the escalating tension, someone was going to wind up dead because Scientology still uses Fair Game. If Shawn's death is ruled a suicide, they need to do a full toxicology panel and look for LSD.
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SchwimmelPuckel
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:14 am Post subject:
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What to look for then? - How did they get him to sleep? - Some drug? - Probably hard to trace, since they'd have that reseach done if it was them.
Did they 'help' him get stone drunk first? - Who was with him on the binge then?
Who was his associates these last months, or last year. Ever since he vent silent...
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magoo1
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:32 am Post subject:
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I didn't really know Shawn that well---but he called me right after he posted this video. We talked about his videos and my concern for his safety.
I told him: "GET OUT OF THERE____GET OUT OF THERE *NOW*.
They are going to HAVE to do something, now that you have that
on tape".
http://www.iklipz.com/MovieDetail.aspx?MovieID=0518caf6-c814-4d2e-b892-a2236bfb7e94
That was over a year ago---or more. I never heard from him after, either, although various critics seemed to be in touch.
Shawn----however things went down, you certainly did make videos showing Scientology--and those shall last, forever.
May he rest in peace....and fly high with the angels. 
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RandomSpectator
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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... Watching that video reminds me of the fair humor that Shawn kept in most any circumstances. It's hard to fathom that someone like him could have made a decision to end it. Further food for thought, I suppose.
As a sidenote, that juvenile side of me still laughs at Shawn's antics. "P-U-B L-I-C! -A-C-C-E-S-S!" ... Ah, he was fun. . . He'll be long missed.
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ozzuk
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:
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Good for shawn we need to use his vid's, gotta say though he was one funny guy good soh even when being harrassed by a cult goon....
That Ron guy was exactly like the london PR trying to get rid of the protesters repeat repeat repeat the lies and people just might believe them...
That kid genuinely looked scarred....
This is the people we need to help, they need it and are too afraid to reach out...
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| With all due respect and everything, if Shawn left a suicide note and the police conclude it was suicide I think it's fair to leave it at that. Scientology is guilty of so many atrocious things that it's not necessary to spin anything to make them look bad. For Shawn's legacy we should focus on what led to his suicide. |
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Don Carlo
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The police should be open to all possibilities. Someone could print off some of Shawn's writing and send it to the police, with the web address, so the police could decide if the writing style is suspiciously different. For example, this post from proflex (Shawn) December 2006:
| Quote: | Let's get a few things straight first.....this mayor thing crept up fast...and even though i think it's a great idea and will explore the basics and get the initial paperwork done the fact remains that i am still now 8 days late with the rest of the rent and food is a luxury....i have to get employed and ahead on rent so as to effectivly do anything. I am still in the old place and have not moved yet so a lot has to be considered here....a few have helped out and still i am a far cry from being able to relax for more than a few days. If you want to help please do but know that it will be for the basics so i am able to buy some time till a job is found...my rent is the main concern now and no matter how many plans i have without that i am on the street...i have to show up with some funds for the L.L. today (that is reality)....so as far as this running for mayor thing goes...no one will listen or vote for a guy living in his car with his three cats....get it.
For those who have helped thank you it has all gone to rent and food...20 went in my gas tank...
Seeing as i am still here i will be having another yard sale to clear out everything i cannot eat...this weekend.
A GOING OUT OF BUISNESS LIQUIDATION SALE...IT ALL GOES! |
from http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=21542
Hmm... did he gas his cats, too? Seems unlikely. |
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moontaco
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:59 am Post subject:
Re: Quentin Hubbard and Shawn Lonsdale
Subject description: Suspicious Suicides, Carbon Monoxide, Gay Men, Scientology...
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| J. Swift wrote: | I just got off the phone to the Sphinx who reminded me that L. Ron Hubbard's son Quentin was found dead in a car outside of Las Vegas. A hose had been connected to the tailpipe of the car and Quentin's death was quickly dismissed as a suicide by carbon monoxide. Quentin was a gay man who had proven an embarrassment to his powerful father. Shwan was a gay man who had proven an embarrassment to Scientology for showing the world how scared and robotic they were as they crossed the crosswalks of Clearwater only when the light said "Walk."
| Quote: | Hubbard's son Quentin also died under mysterious circumstances in 1976. He had disappeared from his home in Clearwater, Florida, and was found unconscious in a car next to the Las Vegas airport. (Coroner's report is attached as Exhibit U. He died unidentified, as a "John Doe.") The engine of the car was on and a hose ran from the exhaust pipe (although it appeared to have fallen off when the authorities arrived) to the window, making it appear to be a suicide. But, like his father's death, there were a number of nagging questions . For example, Quentin was found unkempt with a beard stubble, a state that no one who knew Quentin could accept. (He was ultra-meticulous in his appearance.) Or that the license plate of the car was missing and found under a rock some distance away. Or that his wallet was gone, making identification impossible. Or that a near-empty bottle of liquor was found, as if he had been drinking, when Quentin did not. Or that there were needle marks on his arms, when he did not use drugs
Affidavit of Robert Vaughn Young
9 Mar 1994. |
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Isn't it true that no carbon monoxide was found in Quentin's body? I suppose I could look that up....I will if no one here knows.
EDIT: Found it. It's in the coroner's report.
| Quote: | | If Shawn's death is ruled a suicide, they need to do a full toxicology panel and look for LSD. |
I hope, before they rule on the manner of death, they do a whole battery of tests and wait for the results, and preserve specimens so they can be tested more later if necessary.
I also hope they've done a thorough crime-scene investigation (photos, fingerprints, evidence of blood, etc.). I'm not feeling too optimistic about that, though.  |
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Fanboy The Great And...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject:
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Don't forget other suspicious 'suicides' related to Scientology.
Susan Meister somehow managed to die of a self-inflicted pistol wound to the head with a long-barreled revolver... with no powder burns, and no star mark characteristic of a pistol held at close range, ON A SHIP WHERE ALL THE GUNS WERE LOCKED UP AND STRICTLY CONTROLLED. This is while Hubbard was still at sea.
Flo Bennett, David Miscavige's mother-in-law, somehow managed to die of four self-inflicted rifle wounds in 1985 - three to the chest, one to the temple. Strangely enough, she'd joined a squirrel group recently and become an embarrassment to David Miscavige... isn't that a funny coincidence? That a woman who was FIVE FOOT THREE INCHES somehow managed to shoot herself four times with a rifle, oh, and leave two different suicide notes?
This is just one more in a long, long series.
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Ladybird
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Greg Bashaw * Death of a Scientologist
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=296937#296937
From "The Chicago Reader" by Tori Marlon:
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Three days later Greg pulled onto the shoulder of a road in Montcalm County,
northeast of Grand Rapids. Using duct tape, he attached a hose to the
exhaust pipe of his Honda, then ran it through the passenger window, sealing
off the opening with a towel. He reclined in the passenger's seat, folded
his arms across his chest, and breathed in a lethal dose of carbon monoxide
- just as L. Ron Hubbard's son had done 25 years earlier. |
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moontaco
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| Ladybird wrote: | Greg Bashaw * Death of a Scientologist
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=296937#296937
From "The Chicago Reader" by Tori Marlon:
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Three days later Greg pulled onto the shoulder of a road in Montcalm County,
northeast of Grand Rapids. Using duct tape, he attached a hose to the
exhaust pipe of his Honda, then ran it through the passenger window, sealing
off the opening with a towel. He reclined in the passenger's seat, folded
his arms across his chest, and breathed in a lethal dose of carbon monoxide
- just as L. Ron Hubbard's son had done 25 years earlier. |
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Wow. I had forgotten how he died. |
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Os Wilkes
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:16 am Post subject:
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I think it is unlikely that Shawn was killed to be an example to those who speak out. Not that he wasn't killed, but that it wasn't intended as an example*. Faking a suicide is covering up a murder. You do not want people to know you are doing it. Therefore, there is no message.
If they were sending a message, they would have left a grizzly scene, with evidence of torture. Perhaps a video camera in a body cavity installed the hard way.
My $0.02.
Love,
Os
* It might be construed as an example to IN SCIENTOLOGISTS, who will be told perhaps that their OT POWERZ™ pushed him over the edge...
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Azrael
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:18 am Post subject:
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ive herd some rumours about CS having some big operation to
go after the major critics.
but thats purely grapevine at the moment.
some things that concern me about the Lonsdale case are the timing
and the location.
i understand he was in clearwater, and at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, how much money does it take to buy a mortician?
as for motive, we have to take into account their mindset.
if they believe we are an expression of the marcab fleet...
i keep seeing things that suggest that the scientologists are
obsessing over the idea of some group of major critics to be
the covert leaders of anonymous.
(like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix07wnHLkeg )
it could go as deep as them believing these people to be under alien mind
controll or something like that.
and that opens up the possibility of individual scientologists or small groups acting on their own accord.
with a mindset like that, anything is possible.
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marlysfan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject:
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Swift, Shawn wasn't gay, he was bisexual. We had a bit of flirty banter in our PMs.
-L |
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moontaco
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| Azrael wrote: |
i understand he was in clearwater, and at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, how much money does it take to buy a mortician? |
Do you mean the medical examiner (the one who determines the cause of death)? That's who they got to in the Lisa McPherson case. There've been suggestions that the CoS persuaded ME Joan Wood to change the official cause of death from "undetermined" to "accident." But I don't think anyone knows for sure exactly how they managed to persuade her. |
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