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 Post subject: Why Anonymous will win
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:10 pm 
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The reason Anonymous will win, and Scientology will lose, is because Anonymous can change and adapt. They have already changed tremendously between the first video and today. They are much more savvy, more intelligent, more logical, more technological.

They’re kids.

And these kids especially understand STRATEGY. They were born playing video games. They have spent 1000s of hours learning strategy, and this has carried them in this battle against COS. Even though many video games involve killing and shooting as many aliens/zombies/bad guys as possible, these kids have learned the benefit of donning the role of good guy. They are policing themselves and absolutely being law abiding, because that is how the will win and they know it.

COS, on the other hand, cannot adapt. They are dinosaurs. They are absolutely predictable. They repeat the exact same moves, over and over, even though it doesn’t work.

I love these kids. They’re so smart. For instance, the latest video announcing plans to have a reconnect day, is absolutely genius. They are turning the battle from being fun and games, to serious, to a heart-wrenchig bid for compassion.

And finally, I also believe that they have a passion for the cause because they understand there is injustice going on inside COS that needs to be righted. It’s more important than a game. I don’t see how they can lose.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:19 pm 
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I'mglib wrote:
The reason Anonymous will win, and Scientology will lose, is because Anonymous can change and adapt. They have already changed tremendously between the first video and today. They are much more savvy, more intelligent, more logical, more technological.

They’re kids.

And these kids especially understand STRATEGY. They were born playing video games. They have spent 1000s of hours learning strategy, and this has carried them in this battle against COS. Even though many video games involve killing and shooting as many aliens/zombies/bad guys as possible, these kids have learned the benefit of donning the role of good guy. They are policing themselves and absolutely being law abiding, because that is how the will win and they know it.

COS, on the other hand, cannot adapt. They are dinosaurs. They are absolutely predictable. They repeat the exact same moves, over and over, even though it doesn’t work.

I love these kids. They’re so smart. For instance, the latest video announcing plans to have a reconnect day, is absolutely genius. They are turning the battle from being fun and games, to serious, to a heart-wrenchig bid for compassion.

And finally, I also believe that they have a passion for the cause because they understand there is injustice going on inside COS that needs to be righted. It’s more important than a game. I don’t see how they can lose.



They have already won... public awareness of the Cult of ScienStalinism is out the roof... :lol:

Most importantly they all have nothing to fear of the church. David Miscavige, RTC, L.Ron Hubbard, do not scare them... That is what an un-hypnotized person(s) feels like...

They are like, reinforcements, that calvary, epic lulz... be creative...

I loved the reconnect upcoming plans too...

315=win

rehab tech = fail
DM = fail
hypnotic commands to followers = cancelled & fail

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Anon is powerful, but their safety must take precedence over everything else, even this cause. It is too early to predict the long term intentions of the overall Anon though, it really is a behemoth.


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Anon is powerful, but their safety must take precedence over everything else, even this cause. It is too early to predict the long term intentions of the overall Anon though, it really is a behemoth.


you are right... stay safe and stay anonymous...

"the mostly come at night... mostly... " :lol:

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I think the Anon movement is quite effective. A lot of people turned out for the Seattle picket. I don't think there's ever been a turnout like that before in Seattle or in a number of other places.

So it appears to me that the critic's movement got a real shot in the arm, which is a good thing.


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I have a feeling the demographic for Anonymous is further reaching than teenagers and twenty-somethings. The teenagers and twenty-somethings probably comprise the majority of Anonymous.

That age group is scientology's major target for getting people into scientology. When uninformed about scientology those people have the highest level of risk.

I am probably just stating here the conclusion that has already been made by many of the people who make up Anonymous. Just the fact that they have informed themselves and their friends about scientology has to a very large degree dried up the major future resource that scientology would depend on for income and staff recruits.

With no further action from Anonymous than that scientology has a very difficult future ahead. Then add to that the activities that anonymous engages in and that difficult future becomes very close to impossible.

Props to everyone involved with Anonymous.

I look forward to future episodes of the Incredible Shrinking Cult. :D :D

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Effective so far.

I hope that Anonymous continues in its evolution towards the legal, thoughtful, and compassionate activities that it's aiming for now. It's easy to criticize Scientology, and it's easy to hit them with childish Denial of Service attacks, but to go head to head with them on seriously personal and heart-wrenching matters, and simply make an intelligent plea for people to realize what's going on, before more people are hurt...

That's the action I would have expected of people who had far more experience on their hands. I have to applaud them.


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Even if the anon movement doesent disband the church on it's own it's helping increase awareness, I also personally think that the original gorup has very little to do with things now and it's filled of a random gorup of people from all walks...

Things like Germany and Belgium doing what should be done is also helping as has Tom Cruise...

The more people that find out about whats gone on and is going on perticularly within the Sea Organsiation and OSA...

Moar people need to hear about the people who've made this anon thing possible Arnie, Tory, Mark aka the wise beard man not too mention the countless others especially Shawn that have helped spread the sad truth of this all...

Hopefully we can unmask once David Miscaviage is in prison and the whole system collapses due to the orders from above system...

I do feel that while victory is quite possibly imminent that we should not get comfortable or lazy in this fight for freedom....

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 Post subject: Re: Why Anonymous will win
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I must proclaim some untruths in your post :P

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They’re kids.


nope. although many of us are, i do believe it unfair to brand us all with the same brush, if that is the correct terminology. i myself, do not class myself as a kid, and haven't ben for a long time, though i am somewhat immature :3

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Even though many video games involve killing and shooting as many aliens/zombies/bad guys as possible, these kids have learned the benefit of donning the role of good guy.


And yet GTA is one of the greatest selling series of games of all time, helped in part, by the internet :P

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They are policing themselves and absolutely being law abiding, because that is how the will win and they know it.


we, well, I know, that IRL, we cannot commit crimes or major faux pas, for fear of the consequences. We also know that Scientology will use whatever grievance they can in order to black pr us. This is helping us win.

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COS, on the other hand, cannot adapt. They are dinosaurs. They are absolutely predictable. They repeat the exact same moves, over and over, even though it doesn’t work.


When was their last change of strategy btw? i mean, only thing i remember, is them removing the term "fair game", but still carrying it out. other than that, its the same old stuff over and over.

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I love these kids. They’re so smart. For instance, the latest video announcing plans to have a reconnect day, is absolutely genius. They are turning the battle from being fun and games, to serious, to a heart-wrenchig bid for compassion.


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And finally, I also believe that they have a passion for the cause because they understand there is injustice going on inside COS that needs to be righted. It’s more important than a game. I don’t see how they can lose.


My personal experience, i knew of no injustices until they trod all over my internets. this made me wake up and smell the coffee, and now, with all the dox, all the info, all the inhumanity contained within, i have acted and will continue to act upon this. the CoS has borught this upon themselves.

I just lost the game.

I hope that Anonymous will win. We know this fight may take time. But we are dedicated. I hope Anonymous continues to learn and evolve to become a force upon the CoS. They have left a scurge upon the entire human race, and must be stopped, or at the very least, reformed.

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LulzWorth - Don't worry. I have family members that call the 40-year olds in my family "kids". It's not always referring to people strictly by their age.

Like myself, Anonymous members are largely new to the cause. I would imagine that's the way they're being referred to, myself.

On the gaming note, did you realize that Grand Theft Auto 3's arrival into the video game mainstream actually marked the lowest period of youth violence in the United States' officially recorded history of youth violence, which spans now around 30 or so years? Food for thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Why Anonymous will win
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:54 pm 
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LulzWorth wrote:
I must proclaim some untruths in your post :P

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They’re kids.


nope. although many of us are, i do believe it unfair to brand us all with the same brush, if that is the correct terminology. i myself, do not class myself as a kid, and haven't ben for a long time, though i am somewhat immature :3


To be fair, even those of us who are adults can still be branded as kids by someone with enough of a lead on us. (Of course, you might be one of those people, and then wouldn't I look silly?) Of course, I do know a number of communities with a much higher average age than one might expect which have joined in, so...

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Even though many video games involve killing and shooting as many aliens/zombies/bad guys as possible, these kids have learned the benefit of donning the role of good guy.


And yet GTA is one of the greatest selling series of games of all time, helped in part, by the internet :P


Yeah, but Zelda is still so much more satsfying. GTA is like candy. It's sweet in smal doses but, honestly, sucks if you take in too much at once. I'd much rather be the hero, or at least a bad guy with some depth. Anyway, the strategy point still stands. All the good gamers are the ones with a decent head for strategy, and how many internet users aren't gamers? (At least, in the context of Anon's base group).

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And finally, I also believe that they have a passion for the cause because they understand there is injustice going on inside COS that needs to be righted. It’s more important than a game. I don’t see how they can lose.


My personal experience, i knew of no injustices until they trod all over my internets. this made me wake up and smell the coffee, and now, with all the dox, all the info, all the inhumanity contained within, i have acted and will continue to act upon this. the CoS has borught this upon themselves.


Let this be a lesson to evil everywhere. Don't mess with our internets.

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I just lost the game.


[Xbox block of cussing goes here]

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I hope that Anonymous will win. We know this fight may take time. But we are dedicated. I hope Anonymous continues to learn and evolve to become a force upon the CoS. They have left a scurge upon the entire human race, and must be stopped, or at the very least, reformed.


I really do hope the typical mob ADD doesn't set in over this. Regardless, I'm riding this wave until it either topples CoS or breaks on the shore. Either way, I'm content, because even if CoS doesn't ultimately drown in the tsunonymy, they won't be able to avoid getting soaked.


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When was their last change of strategy btw? i mean, only thing i remember, is them removing the term "fair game", but still carrying it out. other than that, its the same old stuff over and over.


scientology cannot adapt. They must do only "what Ron says." If they attempt to do anything that "Ron" has not said, that is "squirreling," "out KSW," "out ethics" and a "high crime" punishable by "declaration" and "expulsion."

In addition to this, with a little research on the internet you can find out all of scientology's strategy and tactics.

On the "kid" thing, just so you know. It has been observed by people dealing with ex cult members and by the cult members themselves (including me) that upon getting out of a cult one finds that their development was arrested at the point of their entry into the cult.

So you find someone like me, almost sixty years old and acting like a twenty-something. (And you thought we were young at heart.) Before you think this is a good thing I must tell you that the body ages while that development is arrested and even with the viewpoint and outlook of a twenty-something old age is still old age.

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I guess I shouldn't use the word 'kids' so loosley.
What I mean is 'young people.' To me, that's anyone under 30 or so. Also, I meant 'kids' in an affectionate way, since I'm around a lot of them, and enjoy their company.

It will be interesting to see if COS really does continue to do what 'Ron said', or if they somehow engineer some sort of revelation so they can stop the insanity. For instance, Mormon founder John Smith wrote that blacks couldn't become Mormon priests, but this was reversed in the 70's (after a lot of public attention and bad press) when Mormon elders had a meeting about it, and in this meeting a revelation occured that it was ok to have black priests.

From LATIMES.COM about Mormonism:

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"All can receive divine revelation. In 1978, for instance, the church president said God revealed a need to end the practice of excluding blacks from the priesthood, even though the Book of Mormon describes dark skin as a divine mark of disfavor."



Could happen.

Maybe LRH's reincarnated spirit will appear to DM, and tell him to stop disconnection, fair game, PTS/SP, KRs, Sec Checks, RPF, etc etc.


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Part of this will be out of place, but bear with me...

First, Coke, Dell, 7-11 and Phillips Electronics have all strongly denied cult ties. You can see the Aus press release here:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23192847-2,00.html

The page includes segments of the "indoc video" pulled from Google by Co$, FTW! :D

Now, as I've said elsewhere, Anonymous is experiencing a splintering and refinement; there are those who were in it for the immediate lulz, but as time has gone on and things have gotten more serious, they've shaken ut and more serious, devoted Anonymous have stayed in the fray. Will this affect numbers on 3/15? I don't think so, because for every script kid who drops out, there are 3 more who are evaluating, analyzing and becoming part of the cause. There will always be /b/tards who are in things for the instant gratification, but there are, I think, even more who can embrace something as their own and make it work as a decentralized group.

Just look at the folks on EO... Ideas are being brought up. They're deemed either Good or Bad, and then discussion as to why. Anonymous at this level aren't bandwagon jumpers... They're very cautious, like to look at all the angles, plan and form a solid, legal basis for action. Just like WBM and WGL have taught. Additionally, with the great cross section of intellects and levels of skillz, information can be sought and brought forth in a net-heartbeat. Legally. I hope Anonymous never loses this trait.

The more Anonymous learns, the more Anonymous makes sound judgments and exercises caution, the more Anonymous will learn.

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I’m not sure that the Scientologists will stick by what Ron says strictly. In the end Scientology is greed and a desire for more profit and (financial recruit) gain will always undermine the spiritual pretence they hide behind. When it comes to money and protecting their investments assumptions cannot be made about the future actions of the Cult.

However if they’re unable to adapt then Anon will devastate them. Anon will bore through them mercilessly. I think it would be best to expect the Scientologists will adapt, if they don’t their stagnation will be welcome.


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