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That is SERIOUSLY Spooky, LBV. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Man.........do you think he got that from Hubbard, as it does sound like
him, especially towards the end, from all I've heard and read.

I knew in 2000---that DM was 'weeding out anyone who was pro-Standard
tech or CI to him". It was frightening to see---------but sometime if I ever meet you, ask me about Bridge and Sharon Runyon. It was an amazing demonstration of
'The new rules"--and it didn't include ANYTHING that worked, only what DM had ordered.

So it sounds like the walls *are* tumbling down, faster than we'd ever imagined. I think he declaring all his Executives SPs was the beginning of the end....what do you think? Then tag on Anonymous-----and people leaving like you, BFG and BTs2Free----Mike, Bruce, etc. and Jason Beghe speaking out as well as Jenna, Astra and Kendra starting Ex-Scientologykids.com and speaking out, not to mention ALL the critics, and SPs and more and more speaking out daily---- It's ALL OVER!

So how long do you estimate this lasting? It sounds like things are degenerating at a rapid rate, it certainly looks like it when you LOOK at any of their orgs, or the completion lists (or non-lists, really). Man, thank God and the Net and the Critics and EVERYONE that we're out of there, eh?! Phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Ok, last question: Where *does* Davey boy hang up these days?

Thanks again, :alien:

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I think you may have a point re *some* of the older folks who have been there for 40 years or so, although I doubt it. SO many people who were in the SO for many years have left and settled in quite well and very happily---so I still hope he gets the chance.


If Peaches could make it out, there's hope for everyone, I think.


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I think that's true of anyone who gets out:

If anyone can make it out..........there's HUGE hope for ALL.

And many of us have made it out, thankfully! :cheers: :alien:

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Of course Int. Base is loaded with security cameras, but this one atop the Gold Studios Castle is perhaps paramount. It swivels and can peer around 360 degrees. It didn't appear to automatically rotate around... it appeared to be directed (by a joystick no doubt).

I spent much of the afternoon avoiding it or keeping a (binocular-ed) eye on it. Image

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What kind of "church" is outfitted with more security
features than a medium security prison facility?!?


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Hi Tory,

Just watched your OT VII session video last night, nice.

I know, the scene is pretty spooky. The thing I fear in the recent developments is the possibility of a violent ending, with DM losing any last sense of reality. I'm afraid we're at best 3 to 5 years away from that stage.

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Ok, last question: Where *does* Davey boy hang up these days?


It being 6 May, he is (with almost absolute certainty) on the Int Base putting the "last touches" on May 9th event. If you picture a tornado hitting the Gold Base, you pretty much get the idea of what I mean by that.

Other than than he hangs out mostly at ASI and his "berthing" next to ASI.

Freewinds was his other favorite hangout of recent years, but I don't think he is going to be going there again. BTW, I'm sure he is just going to buy a new ship and spin a story about the massive expansion at the top of the Bridge to go along with it.

For being "fabian" he is pretty predictable. You can usually find him in one of the following locations:

1. ASI

2. Int Base (2 weeks or so before each event)

3. The SO facility nearest the event he just held (2 weeks or so after each event)

4. The city in which he is being sued

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5. with Tom Cruise, strategizing how to recruit the next celebrity

Freewinds just fell of the list.

Next year, add state penitentiary to the top of the list of possibilities.

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Roan wrote:
Of course Int. Base is loaded with security cameras, but this one atop the Gold Studios Castle is perhaps paramount. It swivels and can peer around 360 degrees. It didn't appear to automatically rotate around... it appeared to be directed (by a joystick no doubt).


There are a number of remotely controllable security cameras there. I can't claim I know of but a fraction of them. The one that is considered especially important is the one up on the hill at the "Eagle" location for it sees the entire base and all the way to Hemet. There used to be a 24-hour guard up there with a telescope, but that was replaced by a remote-controlled camera years ago, as Security guards were only getting 4 hours a sleep per night doing all their watches -- despite additional security watch station bills for each berthing location that were manned by Gold male staff members. It's hard work making sure no one blows from there. And still we do.

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Re: The future of the Int Base.

This actually brings up the subject of the future of the Int Base. DM has been utterly fed up with the fact that his "top secret, high security location" has been long since exposed, for which reason he spends the minimum of time possible there. There are very few reasons he comes there at all, the primary one being to prepare for events. He would just like to get rid of the place, and quite possibly will, if he can find a new location and choose his handful of trusted people that won't blow it again. That is pretty pivotal in the question, for he doesn't trust anyone, no even his own wife or other members of the family. He has a close group of assistants that go by the general title of COB Office Staff. Sort of like LRH Pers Office on steroids.

He has mentioned several times the possibility of selling off the Hemet Base, for he "has no use for it." It isn't true he has no use for it, but that is another good way to create instability and insecurity on the people on the base, and he will do anything in his power to make them feel helpless under his almighty power. Actually he wouldn't be able to put together one event if it wasn't for the Gold crew. He could hire outside pros, and he does, but realistically, they know nothing about Scientology and while money can buy quality presentation, he doesn't want to spend any money where he doesn't need to. Despite all that, he is forced to use more and more money on outside professionals.

Even that is no problem with the existing income rates. What is the problem (for DM) is that he has to spend all his time "babysitting" the pros, for he doesn't trust anyone else to do it right than himself! You should actually see this in action on the Gold base, for it is something to behold. In practice it means that whenever DM is "personally having to do something," all other activity stops and almost the entire base has to either work on that same thing or pretend they are interestingly watching and learning from him. Seriously. It brings almost all other production to a halt. For example, the Int Executives, when there were some, were forced to stay with him every moment he was doing something, and STAND BACK AND WATCH HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. Regularly this meant 18 or more hours a day for weeks on end.

I'm sure he still drags them out of the SP Room to watch and learn every time he goes to the Base, to "do their work for them."

(Perhaps the sarkasm with which I write this doesn't come through, so let me clarify that it is NOT his intention that anyone learns anything and takes back over their duties. His whole game is to intimidate, to make people feel worse-than, hopelessly inferior to him, and put them in a state of mind where they would never dream of having any chance of doing anything to counter his superhuman abilities.)

What really will happen is anyone's guess, but what I believe to be DM's actual plan at this point isn't to replace Int Management with new people.
He sort of hopes he could do it but knows that the only gain is that these are people that don't know what he has been up to and can be controlled better. Problem is, most prospects for replacing current management are no more qualified for those positions than those who were there. They simply are less informed. And, actually, if he was to go through with the plan of expelling all current base staff and bringing in "new blood" (as they are called, appropriate to the vampiric need for them), he is looking at two years of "hands-on education" to get them into the right frame of mind.

So, do I think he is ever actually going to go through with the plan? Hardly.

Predicting what will happen is about as difficult as it is for him to decide what to do. There is no good solution to be had. Trying to put together a core of totally unquestioning supporters who would give their lives for him mostly fails on the lack of trust on his part. No matter how dedicated the person might be, DM "sees outpoints" in their behavior that are "indicators" of disloyalty.

Here is the interesting part: DM actually acts very impulsively, based on his current state of mind. The story of the Int Base could well just suddenly end one day by DM selling off the property and offloading everyone. I mean that literally. It is not the most likely scenario for many reasons, but it could happen.

So here we go into speculation again: DM's only apparent choice is to start a "new" Sea Org. Which is why he would hold onto the trademarks, all corporate power, all financial lines and other points of control. Not only because he is a control-freak, but because he has to have all the ownership to himself to be able to disband the current network and start a new one. But you can again count the obvious problems in implementation: What is he going to do with middle management? What about Flag? Personally root out every "suspect" person that would ever cut across this? Well, it has been going on, at least in middle management for several years now. OSA is down to a fraction of what it used to be. Insanity-based management is taking over Flag at fast pace per reports from recent Flag escapees.

It is ironic that with the exact opposite goal (of "expanding Scientology"), DM is managing to effect almost as much destruction as the combined forces from outside.

Since it is all essentially hinging now on one man, it is more than likely that the final fate, not only of the future of the Int Base, but of the entirety of the Church, will come to a conclusion overnight, in form of one final, massive "mistake" that will not escape the attention of the world.

"Will it happen?" is not much of a question any more. Only exactly when and how are.

Thank you very much for this insightful post. Your account belongs in a declaration.

I think it would be worthwhile to collect an online legal library of usable testimony for litigation against Scientology. I'm thinking of starting a site, which would function as a paralegal resource for attorneys and clients. It'd include a bulletin board, a library of declarations, online assistance on putting together cases, help with declarations, litigation news. Obviously we'd need a lot of help.

An orderly end to Scientology's abuses has to include legal action. How about EXPECT US on the witness stand, DM?

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What I find seriously disturbing about Roan's videos is the arrogance of the security guy. Nobody acts like that on public property unless they have got the local cops wired. I would be extremely cautious about approaching Int Base in the future.

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I sometimes wonder about an "old" guy like Martin Habsheidt. Would he even want to be "rescued" or freed? Where would he go? What would he do with the rest of his days? Would he be like Brooks Hatlen in The Shawshank Redemption: perhaps better off or happier remaining where he is?

He probably doesn't have a choice. Scientology is spiraling quickly as we speak. Without income, even a "last stronghold" or mountain redoubt like Int. Base becomes un-sustainable. Making head gardeners like ***** superfluous.

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An "old" guy should get connected to AARP. They are everywhere. You don't have to be Retired to belong to AARP,. They have a job referral service, and will re-train an older person for work that is possibly more age appropriate than the work he did as a younger person. The older worker will find himself more and more in demand as most employers have found the more mature worker the more reliable. There was a long article about this in the newspaper a couple of Sundays ago.
Roan, these pix are incredible. Thank you so much. It's been 25 years since Bent and I drove out there. The place has changed greatly since I last saw it. Please be careful out there.

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Good work, Roan. (Be careful out there.) DM Ecclesioscrew must love those spiffy little sheriff ensembles.
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Hard labor wears the body out. That's why Social Security was first designed to start paying at age 65. A manual laborer by then might have injuries, arthritis, back trouble, hernias, hearing trouble from noise pollution, and if exposed to a lot of dust he could have COPD, Chronic Pulmonary Lung Disorder, which can make you need to carry around an oxygen tube.

These Sea Org older workers need to get out, get a desk job and save some money while they still have some health, or they could be tossed out for being feeble, and end up homeless.


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Re: The future of the Int Base.

This actually brings up the subject of the future of the Int Base. DM has been utterly fed up with the fact that his "top secret, high security location" has been long since exposed, for which reason he spends the minimum of time possible there. There are very few reasons he comes there at all, the primary one being to prepare for events. He would just like to get rid of the place, and quite possibly will, if he can find a new location and choose his handful of trusted people that won't blow it again. That is pretty pivotal in the question, for he doesn't trust anyone, no even his own wife or other members of the family. He has a close group of assistants that go by the general title of COB Office Staff. Sort of like LRH Pers Office on steroids.


One possibility is James Packer's sudden interest in expanding into cattle farming in Australia. Most remote farms in Australia are in very marginal grazing areas, where huge amounts of land are needed per head of cattle. this creates enormous properties in very sparsely populated areas. Aum Shinrikyo used a remote West Australian farm to test their sarin gas on sheep.


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LBV: Cool, I'm glad you saw my OT 7 video. Did you ever do OT 7, or any OT levels? (Hopefully not, for your sake). What a nightmare that was, truly. We were all the guinny pigs for the "Golden Age of Crap"---and that is EXACTLY what it was. I said so then, and Davey boys recent :bs: re the "Basics" proved it. What a JOKE!

It would be funny, except so many people get hurt in the process.
Ok, so this is seriously spooky:
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I know, the scene is pretty spooky. The thing I fear in the recent developments is the possibility of a violent ending, with DM losing any last sense of reality. I'm afraid we're at best 3 to 5 years away from that stage.


I think it may even come sooner. He sounds like he's literally gone totally
psychotic, nuts, with his machine making it look like he's "in control". Phew.

I love Caroline's idea of a legal document list---as so many things said
are KEY Points that could be used in court, I would imagine.

Thanks, again, for your post and info about the Gold base, and where Dave hangs out. I knew he'd be at the base pre-events, I knew he visited Author Services-----I had no idea he lives right next door. No wonder the guard is ALWAYS so freaked, if I ever walk by even. Pussies.

Here's a question: Where in the Hell did they get that aweful way of speaking at events? It seemed like somewhere in the early 90's ALL of the Executives began speaking EXACTLY THE SAME WAY---Lilting every communication at the end.

ToDAY we are going to tell you about the Flag runDOWNS.
Then rON went to the stORE and bought some EGGS!

We used to imitate them, back when I was "in"--laughing our asses off.
It was SO Phony------and they ALL sound EXACTLY alike. Any info on that?

Love to you :wink:

Tory/Magoo~~


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