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Post by peter » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:03 pm

Soderqvist1: I have had for some time now a structural feeling that Hubbard has meet Snake Thompson and he has educated the young Hubbard
in Freudian psychoterapy. That hunch has guided my search on internet for evidence (I have investigated both CoS and the"critical" home sites).
This is the structure I have found!

Dr. Snake Thompson, a psychiatrist in the Navy that my father knew via my grandfather.
He named many, many sources for Scientology at various times throughout these early years. ... ard-jr.htm

I did confirm the existence of "Snake" Thompson (now deceased) as Joseph Cheesman Thompson.
I also confirmed every statement that Mr. Hubbard made about him right down to a trip they made from San Francisco
and through the Panama Canal in 1923 by finding the passenger list of the ship. I am providing copies of Thompson's birth certificate,
a cover note from the Department of Health and Human Services about an article
Thompson wrote on psychoanalystic literature and the passenger list just cited. ... 051285.htm

L Ron Hubbard a chronicle
1923 In October, Harry Ross Hubbard receives orders to report to the nation’s capital. Ron and his parents board the USS Ulysses S.
Grant on 1 November 1923 and sail to New York from San Francisco through the recently opened Panama Canal.
They then journey to Washington, DC. During this voyage, Ron meets Commander Joseph “Snake” Thompson,
who has recently returned from Vienna and studies with Sigmund Freud. Through the course of their friendship,
the commander spends many an afternoon in the Library of Congress teaching Ron what he knows of the human mind. ... pg001.html

I travelled with Commander Thompson from Seattle, Washington through the Panama Canal to Washington, D. C.
when I was about twelve and knew him during all that time that I was in Washington and later.
Commander Thompson was the first man to study with Sigmund Freud from the U. S.
Government and had just returned from his studies, bringing psychoanalysis back to the United States Navy.
Through his friendship I attended many lectures given at Naval hospitals and generally
became conversant with psychoanalysis as it had been exported from Austria by Freud. ... Itemid=240

Lecture: The Story of Dianetics and Scientology
Anyway; at the Library of Congress in Washington, DC, where they have all the books on everything, he started shoving my nose
into an education in the field of the mind. Now, that's a very unusual thing to do, to take a twelve-year-old boy
and start doing something with the mind. But he really got me interested in the subject
But actually Commander Thompson had a very open mind on this, and he used to tell me, „Well, if it's not true for you, it's not true.“
And I found out that he got this from a fellow named Gautama Siddhartha. ... Itemid=240

Lecture: Dianetics The Modern Miracle
I was just a kid and Commander Thompson didn't have any boy of his own, and he and I just got along fine. ... Itemid=240

L. Ron Hubbard Messiah or Madman?
Hubbard may have had this drive for power - this obsession - all his life. But the point at which it burst into a raging passion was,
according to Ron Jr. sometime in his teens when Ron Hubbard and his mother visited the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C.
From that time on he was, more and more, able to support his obsession with a detailed, well-developed philosophy.
His mother was at the Library tracing back her family's genealogy, while he was poking around trying to find something that interested him.
He did. It was a tiny volume called The Book of the Law. According to its writer, Aleister Crowley. ... Itemid=240

The Book of the Law, Liber AL vel Legis
Crowley wrote about Liber AL in great detail throughout the remainder of his life, attempting to decipher its mysteries.
He became convinced that Liber Legis introduced a spiritual Law comparable with those spoken by Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammed,
and that the Book was itself to be the basis of all modern religion: "This Book is the foundation of the New Aeon, and thus of the whole Work.

True Will
According to Crowley, every individual has a True Will, to be distinguished from the ordinary wants and desires of the ego.
The True Will is essentially one's "calling" or "purpose" in life.

The magick of Thelema is a system of discipline for physical, mental, and spiritual training.
Crowley defined magick as "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will". He recommended magick as a means for discovering the True Will and wrote about what the Law of Thelema says about, for example, working with the astral plane Crowley described the general process in Magick, Book 4: One must find out for oneself, and make sure beyond doubt,'who' one is, 'what' one is, 'why' one is...Being thus conscious of the proper course to pursue, the next thing is to understand the conditions necessary to following it out. After that, one must eliminate from oneself every element alien or hostile to success, and develop those parts of oneself which are specially needed to control the aforesaid conditions

Silas Warner and The American Academy of Psychoanalysis. By Ann-Louise S. Silver, MD
There are at least six psychoanalytic papers written by Joseph Thompson in the 1923-1924 time frame.
These include "Psychoanalytic Literature," "Desertion; Observations of a Psychoanalyst," "Tro-pical Neurasthenia; Deprivation Psychoneurosis,"
and "The Psychoanalyst and His Work". Three papers are under the name of Joe Tom Sun from Guam, appearing in The Psychoanalytic Review,
edited by William Alanson White and Smith Ely Jelliffe of New York City. His 1923 paper is titled "Symbolism in the Chinese Written Language."
His 1924 papers are titled, "Psychology in Primitive Buddhism," in which he described theoretical similarities between psychoanalysis and Buddhism,
and "Symbolism in the Sumerian Written Language."

All of his papers are straightforward accounts of early Freudian libido theory in which an un-conscious memory of childhood trauma
leads to symptoms and problems. His analytic papers were well written and based on Freud's libido theory.
In one paper he explained how necessary psychoanalysis was to understand the treatment of certain common medical problems.
Both Thompson and Hubbard had studied Eastern religions extensively.

Psychoanalytic Electronic Publishing website and digital archive
Molino has put together a fascinating variety of texts. He begins with a historical section, stretching back to the 1920s
and the exuberant writing of Joe Tom Sun (also known as the Chicago psychoanalyst, Joseph Thompson),

Psychology in Primitive Buddhism by Joe Tom Sun
From time immemorial the Law of Cause and Effect has been accepted by the philosopher when considering matters relating to the physical world.
To the early Aryan thinkers cause and effect played so important a rle that in speech there arose a single term to express the concept.
This word was “Karma,” and it was tersely and dynamically denned as: “That power by virtue of which cause is followed by effect.”
The gift of gifts that was made by Buddha to mankind was his application of this Karmic Law, the law of cause and effect, to the moral world.
In his discourses he contended this with inexorable consistency.

The Church of Scientology Studies in Contemporary Religion by J. GORDON MELTON
4. Indicative of the continuing relationship between Thompson and Freud is an interesting postcard found in the Freud papers at the Library of Congress
in which Thompson is thanked for sending his mentor a "charming photograph of the 3 beauties at the Pacific Ocean."
Postcard from Sigmund Freud to Thompson, July 27, 1923, in Library of Congress;
copy in the American Religions Collection of the University of California, Santa Barbara.

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Post by peter » Mon May 05, 2008 11:20 am

Soderqvist1: I have found a photography on commander Snake Thompson in The journal of San Diego History!

Summer 1978, Volume 24, Number 3
Commander J. C. Thompson was a neurosurgeon assigned to Navy Hospital. Entomology was a hobby, and he also showed an interest in the herpetofauna of San Diego County. He offered to supervise the construction of a reptile house, announcing that he already had plans for one. He was elected vice-president of the Zoological Society, and was appointed with Dr. Harry Wegeforth and Frank Stephens to draw up the Articles of Incorporation and the By-Laws. Thompson is given credit for much of the planning of the Zoo's education program.

Images From The Article ... images.htm

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Post by Blue Streak » Mon May 05, 2008 1:20 pm


So is this finally some proof that the legendary Commander 'snake' Thomspon really existed?
"You worked to darken your own children.. The same psychology works perfectly on
everyone else ".

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Post by peter » Mon May 05, 2008 2:03 pm

So is this finally some proof that the legendary Commander 'snake' Thomspon really existed?
Soderqvist1: yes it is part of my evidence!
Maybe you should investigate the links in the beginning before you jump to conclusion?
In example the paper by Ann-Louise S. Silver is Director of Education, Chestnut Lodge Hospital; Clinical Professor of Psychiatry on The American Academy of Psychoanalysis and Dynamic Psychiatry homesite? And Snake Thompson's papers on The International Journal of Psychoanlysis homesite, as linked earlier by me?

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Post by PTS » Mon May 05, 2008 2:27 pm

Here is the Wiki page on Joseph Cressman Thompson aka "Snake"
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Joseph Cressman Thompson, M. D., (1876-1943) was a career medical officer in the United States Navy who attained the rank of commander before retirement in 1929. To friends he was known as 'Snake',[1] a nickname derived from his expertise in the field of herpetology. He was also a cat breeder who helped develop the Burmese breed of cat, per World Encyclopedia of Cats by Angela Sayer, published by Octopus Books 1977. "In 1930 Dr. Joseph C. Thompson took a brown cat named Wong Mau from Burma to America. She herself was a hybrid from Siamese and a dark-coated breed named Burmese. Mated to a Siamese, she produced hybrids and Siamese. When the Burmese/Siamese hybrids were mated together, the darker coated Burmese were produced. These bred true, and in 1936 the Burmese was officially recognized in the United States of America as a new show breed."

In the early 1920s Dr. Thompson became interested in Freudian psychoanalysis and he underwent analysis with Dr. Henry Grovens in 1923. In 1924 Dr. Thompson became vice-president of the Washington Psychoanalytic Association, but by 1936, after criticizing the American psychoanalytic establishment for straying too far from Freud, he was no longer listed as a member of the association.[1] It was Thompson's contention that lay analysts should be given as much importance in the psychoanalytic field as physicians.

While Dr. Thompson was stationed in Guam he befriended young L. Ron Hubbard, whose father was also stationed there.[1] They first met in 1923 on board a navy transport going from Guam to Washington, D. C. Hubbard later reported in a lecture how true he found one of Commander Thompson's oft-repeated aphorisms, "If it's not true for you, it's not true." It aligned with his own personal philosophy, according to Hubbard.

In the early 1930s Dr. Thompson moved to San Francisco, where he was one of very few psychoanalysts. Previous to the move he had published papers on psychoanalysis, including; Psychoanalytic Literature, Desertion, Observations of a Psychoanalyst, Tropical Neurasthenia, The Psychoanalyst and his Work, and Deprivation Psychoneurosis.[1]

Joseph Cressman Thompson died of a heart attack in San Francisco on March 7, 1943, at the age of 68. His obituary in the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned his widow, Mrs. Hilda Thompson, and a very special Siamese cat, known as Pak Kwai Mau, or 'White Devil Cat.' A serious cat breeder, Thompson had at one time 45 cats. He left $10,000 in the bank in Pak Kwai Mau's name.[1]

In addition to contributing to the fields of cat fancy and psychoanalysis, Dr. Thompson wrote papers on reptiles and fish.

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Post by peter » Mon May 05, 2008 2:28 pm

Soderqvist1: CoS claim this!

Meanwhile the “very famous psychiatrist” who reviews Ron’s calculations on human memory capacity was none other than William Alanson White, then superintendent of Washington, DC’s St. Elizabeth’s Hospital and still celebrated for his outspoken opposition to psychosurgery.
Soderqvist1: The last part of that propostion can be proven truth!
Emphasis in bold type by me!
Freeman's enthusiasm for lobotomy, which developed through his work with his colleague James Watts at George Washington University Hospital, began a wave of psychiatric surgery that was used on 40,000 to 50,000 Americans between 1936 and the late 1950s. Page3: (An exception was William Alanson White, superintendent of Freeman's own St. Elizabeths, who never allowed lobotomies in the hospital during his tenure.)

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Post by peter » Mon May 05, 2008 2:43 pm

Psychiatric News
William Alanson White, M.D., who lived from 1870 to 1937, was a prolific writer, an effective administrator, and a tireless organizer. This article profiles the academic life of this unique American psychiatrist who began his career almost a century ago. Few people now recognize the name of William Alanson White, M.D. From 1903 to 1937 he was the superintendent of the Government Hospital for the Insane in Washington, D.C., known today as St. Elizabeths Hospital. During the first third of the 20th century, he was one of America's leading psychiatrists. He served as president of the American Psychopathological Society (1922), president of the American Psychiatric Association (1924-25), and president of the American Psychoanalytical Society (1928). He also was a professor of psychiatry at the medical schools of George Washington and Georgetown universities.

Psychiatric news letters to the editor
I am responding to the History Notes article in the January 1 issue titled "William Alanson White, M.D.-A Distinguished Achiever." While I was delighted to see the article, I think its author missed a major point. Dr. White was indeed a distinguished achiever. His major contribution, however, was the impact of people like Harry Stack Sullivan, Frieda Fromm-Reichmann, and others he supported on American psychoanalysis and psychiatry.

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Post by peter » Tue May 06, 2008 8:09 am

I have found another photography on commander Thompson from 1936, on a cat breeder homesite; Black and Tan old Time siamese,
Thompson is 60 years old here togheter with one of his cats Tai Noo Mau.
Historic Siamese before the 1940's ... _1940s.htm
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Post by SuzanneMarie » Tue May 06, 2008 8:20 am

peter wrote:I have found another photography on commander Thompson from 1936, on a cat breeder homesite; Black and Tan old Time siamese,
Thompson is 60 years old here togheter with one of his cat Tai Noo Mau. ... _1940s.htm
What wonderful old photos are here! Nice to see a photo of Dr. Thompson holding one of his cherished cats.

Very interesting to see how much Siamese cats have changed in the past century. They have gotten smaller, more elongated and rangy, with wedge-shaped heads. The show Siamese are truly bizarre. ... UTF-8&um=1

I like the old type better.

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Post by Don Carlo » Tue May 06, 2008 10:53 pm

Many breeders specialize in apple-head Siamese, which look just like these 1920's Siamese. The cat Thompson was holding was a dead ringer for my own cat.

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Post by flippantmage » Wed May 07, 2008 2:23 am

You know this seems about as important and interesting as "squirreling the tech" :roll:
If you can make people believe absurdities you can make them commit atrocities. - Voltaire

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Post by SuzanneMarie » Wed May 07, 2008 8:52 am

flippantmage wrote:You know this seems about as important and interesting as "squirreling the tech" :roll:
Feel free to troll some other thread. :)

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Post by peter » Wed May 07, 2008 11:47 am

Soderqvist1: did you know that Commander Thompson has spent some time in Tibet as a buddhist monk in a monastry?

Burmese Breeders History
The modern Burmese saga began in 1930 with a female cat named Wong Mau.
Thompson spent time as a Buddhist monk in Tibet and became fascinated with the shorthaired, brown cats that abounded in the area.
These felines, called copper cats in their native region, have been around Southeast Asia for centuries.
Thompson was so taken with the unique brown coat of Wong Mau and her charming personality
that he set out to determine her genetic makeup and establish a scientific breeding program so he could create more just like her.

IAMS Cat Breeder Guide
Thompson served as a U.S. Navy doctor for some years and had developed a strong interest in Asia.
He spent time in a monastery in Tibet and became familiar with the shorthaired, solid brown cats in the area.
Thompson was so taken with Wong Mau’s beauty and personality that, with the help of like-minded breeders and geneticists,
the doctor began a carefully planned breeding program designed to isolate Wong Mau’s distinguishing characteristics so he could reproduce her type and color.
Since no Adam had accompanied Thompson’s Eve on the trip from Burma,
Thompson bred Wong Mau to one of his breeding Siamese males, a seal point named Tai Mau. ... rmese.html

Dr. Thompson enlisted the help of two prominent breeders, Virginia Cobb (Newton cattery) and Billie Gerst (Gerstdale cattery)
and Dr. Clyde E. Keeler, a prominent geneticist. The four of them developed and established an experimental breeding program.
Since Siamese were considered the closest in appearance, they were used in the breeding program.
After two generations, this program resulted in kittens with three distinct colorations: some looked just like Siamese,
some looked like Wong Mau (with medium brown body color and darker points and some a solid dark-chocolate brown color.
The later were considered the most attractive and the breeding program was aimed at isolating the genetic makeup of the phenotype.
Discovering that these dark brown cats could indeed breed true, consistently producing dark brown cats,
while the walnut brown variety, such as Wong Mau herself, continued to produce kittens in the three variations of coloration,
the theory that Wong Mau was the first Tonkinese was proved. The results of the original experimental breeding program
was published in the April 1943 Journal of Heredity, "Genetics of the Burmese Cat," by the four program participants cited above.
Unfortunately, Dr. Thompson did not live to see this paper published. He died of a heart attack while the paper was in publication.
This breeding program established the American Burmese. ... lr=lang_en

Hubbard Autobiography: Commander Thompson
Commander Thompson wrote innumerable monographs on all manner of observations in various parts of the world which he had visited,
He was a very fine man and I was very fortunate to have known him. ... Itemid=240

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Post by TheMind » Wed May 07, 2008 10:39 pm

How reliable is this Carolinetkeman site? I hesitate to accept it as valid when most the information comes from there... (i haven't had to read it all yet, just saying)
[i]For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals
Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination
We learned to talk
It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure we keep talking[/i]

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Post by caroline » Thu May 08, 2008 1:24 am

I'm thrilled you're onto this Peter. Iirc, Os mentioned an interest in Snake Thompson too. Anyway, I think it'd be really great for everyone to consolidate our research.

I have a few more pages to add for now:

Book: [...] selected papers of Clara M. Thompson

Lecture: The Story of Dianetics and Scientology

Lecture: Dianetics The Modern Miracle
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.
Commands: Part l “Tell me a lie”.

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