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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:06 pm 
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You said in your interview that the L's were "a whole 'nother story" (or words to that effect). Any chance you might share it here? If not, no problem, just been curious about this since I saw the interview.


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i second the notion.
ive never herd of these L's before.

if Jason doesnt have time, could any1 else perhaps
give us a short intro to the subject?

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Azrael wrote:
i second the notion.
ive never herd of these L's before.

if Jason doesnt have time, could any1 else perhaps
give us a short intro to the subject?


http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/ ... jkl.htm#Ls

Ls, L10, L11, and L12

Special, extremely expensive Lists or Rundowns developed in 1970-71 and delivered at Flag. They are done by Class X, XI and XII auditors (Scientology "therapists") who shout at the PC (patient) holding the soup cans electrodes of the Scientology E-Meter. These were designed to handle psychosis, although now they are used for all Scientologists who are wealthy enough to afford them. The Ls material mentions the fact that the Reactive Mind, the storehouse of engrams or memories of pain and unconsciousness, is composed solely of Body Thetans or evil spirits.

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Aren't the Ls done for just for the cash flow and to stall parishioners on the Bridge? All to keep Scientology services (read: payments to CoS) going on forever?

Because after OT VIII, you've basically done what's there, and without other stalling/milking rundowns like sec checks and Ls, you'd simply "graduate" to "finished."

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http://www.xenu.net/archive/L-Rundowns/
Operation Clambake present: The "L" Rundown

http://www.scientology-kills.org/affida ... _audit.htm
Has some CofS promo about what the L's handle or do.

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Has anyone here actually been on these L's? Would be interested to know what they are like, how they differ from other courses, where they fit in on the bridge and so forth.

I have a vague memory that Lisa M. was on the L's just before she died, although I could be wrong here.


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JaneDoe wrote:
Has anyone here actually been on these L's? Would be interested to know what they are like, how they differ from other courses, where they fit in on the bridge and so forth.

I have a vague memory that Lisa M. was on the L's just before she died, although I could be wrong here.



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TECHNICAL BULLETIN
29 JULY 1984

ISSUE I
THE "L" RUNDOWNS

INTR0DUCTI0N

The L's were developed as a result of research into the levels above
OT VIII. The success of the L's is startling. These rundowns can
handle things that are handled nowhere else.

The breakthrough which exists here technically is so strong that it
actually cuts through the normal protective mechanisms of the mind. It
came actually from the OT Grades. It answers the question -- Why does
an OT restrain himself and cease to behave as an OT?

Each rundown is designed to terminatedly handle a specific area of a
person's case. The L's are not grades in themselves but incredible
boosters. The basic tech comes from research into increasing OT
powers. They're a special class of rundown; they increase a person's
power and effectiveness.

Part of the discovery was that this tech could be used lower down on
the Bridge to get people up it faster -- very much faster.

The L's address the basics of a thetan's case directly. They undercut
tbe reactive mind and handle those factors which suppress the capacity
to actually Do, Be and Have. They remove those things that can make a
person less himself and far less powerful and causative as a thetan.
These rundowns are designed to find and erase the basic counter
intentions along one's dynamics. Tney stabilize a case.

The L's require experts to run them. The auditor's TRs have to be
perfect and there is no room for flubs. So don't audit these rundowns
on a PC or PreOT until your auditing is flawless.

In all the "L" Rundowns (L10, Lll, and L12) the PC or PreOT is fully
set up first with a C/S 53 and GF40 expanded if needed.


example:

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TECHNICAL BULLETIN
30 JULY 1984
ISSUE I
THE "L" RUNDOWNS

THE L11 RUNDOWN INTRODUCTION

L11, The New Life Rundown was developed to give a person a new life.
This means it can handle that part of an individual's case which stops
him from really living. It handles the major source of aberration
upon which attention is fixed, blasting apart that major personal
stumbling block.

The EP of L11 is a New Life.

PREREQUISITES: Lll (formerly L9S) is not restricted to only those who
have completed OT III. The only prerequisites to Lll are a complete
Drug R/D and Expanded Grades. It may not be done in the
Non-interference Zone between Grade VI, R6EW and OT III.

In all the "L" Rundowns (L10, Lll, and L12), the PC or PreOT is fully
set up first with a C/S 53 and GF40 expanded if needed.


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TECHNICAL BULLETIN
30 JULY 1984

ISSUE III
THE "L" RUNDOWNS

THE L11 RUNDOWN STEP TWO

STEP TWO: JUSTIFICATION

1. Have PC or PreOT read the HCOB entitled "JUSTIFICATION".

2. 2 w/c "How have you justified your overts?"
(Be sure question reads)

3. L&N "What evil purpose have you had?"to BD F/N item.

Take the LFBD F/N item found and for a PC use:

Locate an incident that contains the
evil purpose

For example:

"to dumbfound others"

For a PC use:

Locate an incident that contains the evil purpose
to dumbfound others.

Be sure it is an evil intention or purpose.
Run the item quad R3RA to full erasure.
For a PreOT:
Find out if the evil purpose is:

1.YOURS
2.A BODY THETANS
3.A CLUSTERS

If YOURS reads, have PreOT:

Locate an incident that contains the evil
purpose to ____________

D/L earlier D/L to basic if needed.
Pick up other flows if they read and also D/L
earlier D/L to basic.

If BT reads, have PreOT:

1. Locate BT's position relative to the body
(should be reading).

2. Ask it, "Is (intention) yours?" If yes and
no F/N, "Recall a time when you had the
intention to (______________________)" (back to the
first time).

3. If answer is "no" and BT protests, check
false. The false question being, "Did
anyone ever say you had the intention to
( ______________ ) when you really didn't?"

Then blow with OT III or NOTS procedure
if not blown on recalls.

Alternate Handling

l. Assess the Incident list from the OT or NOTS
Drug Rundown to determine what type of incident
caused the individual to have that intention.
2. D/L earlier D/L to basic or blow the incident
found.
3. If needed, finish up with OT III or NOTS procedure
depending on where the PreOT is on the Grade Chart.

If Cluster reads, have PreOT:

1. Locate Cluster's position relative to the body.
(should be reading)
2. Assess the Incident list from the OT or NOTS
Drug Rundown to find out what type of mutual
incident caused the cluster to be formed.
3. D/L earlier D/L to basic, break up or blow of
cluster.
4. Find out if there are any individuals left
over from cluster and if there are, handle
with OT III or NOTS procedure depending on
where PreOT is on the Grade Chart.

End off this step on a major case change, valence shift and/or
ability gained with VVGI's Floating TA and Cognition.



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Second Dynamic (Sex)

Have you ever sexually aroused someone and then not satisfied
him, or her?
Have you ever been sexually aroused by an object?
Have you ever aroused another sexually with an object?
Have you ever wade love to a person of the wrong age?
Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong sex?
Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong caste, or class?
Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong race?
Have you ever made love to a creature of the wrong species?
Have you ever made love to someone who belonged to another?
Have you ever taught another perverted sexual practices?
Have you ever invented perverted sexual practices?
Have you ever used sex unethically?
Have you ever made love to a person you disliked?
Have you ever used the wrong body part for intercourse?
Have you ever caused someone to be castrated?
Have you ever made someone's body more exciting by warping, or
distorting it?
Have you ever raped anyone?
Have you ever failed to have intercourse with someone you should
have?


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L11, The New Life Rundown was developed to give a person a new life. This means it can handle that part of an individual's case which stops him from really living. It handles the major source of aberration upon which attention is fixed, blasting apart that major personal stumbling block.

So... if I'm understanding this right.... an OT could have a "major personal stumbling block"?

WTF???

It's just really coming home to me that all $cn is, is a way to convince people that they are all f*cked up and to continue to strip money from them no matter how high they climb. It was never set up to have an end.

It's like the last little wispy thread I had that there could have been something in all of this, buried somewhere, has just gone pffft.

Thanks for posting these, seneschal.

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Just go and look for yourself on wikileaks or xenu.net for the full Ls ( L= Lists aka full whole track sec checks) Answer those stupid "sec check" questions and every thing you imagined will be held against you and every one you ever knew.

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FULLY HANDLE THE ONLY REASON A THETAN WITHHOLDS HIMSELF


"research has disclosed that the reason think they have
not lived before this life and won't live again is that
they are in a condition below existing as beings.


Through overts they have become unable to SEE the world
around them or things in it. L-10 runs off all overts
and winds up with a thetan exterior who is aware of self"


LRH from 'Modern Management Technology Defined' definition
#4 of L-10


L-10 is the most deep reaching auditing rundown in scientology.
Once it's 39 steps are complete, you will know that you are
immortal.


L-10 turns you into an Operating Thetan for it puts you at
knowing and willing cause over all dynamics.


L-10 "came, actually, from the OT grades . . . it answers the
questions, "Well, why does an OT restrain himself and cease
to behave as an OT?' "


LRH from FEBC Tape #3 of 18 Jan 1971

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Dunvegan wrote:
Aren't the Ls done for just for the cash flow and to stall parishioners on the Bridge? All to keep Scientology services (read: payments to CoS) going on forever?

Because after OT VIII, you've basically done what's there, and without other stalling/milking rundowns like sec checks and Ls, you'd simply "graduate" to "finished."


Well, that is pretty much a brief encapsulation of the true purpose of the Ls. ( or any other "special" rundowns )

I have met a few people who had done them, when I was in and, like forall the OTs, and all the rest, the most remarkable thing about them, was the obvious absence of anything remarkable, or any special ability, except perhaps being good salesmen and public speakers, but plenty of people who have never heard of the Ls, or OT levels, have those abilities.

When they wake up, eventually, and will be forced to look at the mountains of debts they have run up, thinking they were going to get
something truly special in exchange, it is going to be a very painful anddepressing day for them.

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Valley Grrrl does L10:
"I was like Owwh...mah...Gaawdd!...I wish I could tell you but I signed this waiver thing."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZGi7cBvd5w


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Report of the Board of Enquiry into Scientology
by Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C.

Published 1965 by the State of Victoria, Australia

The Anderson Report
CHAPTER 23
DANGERS TO MENTAL HEALTH

[...]

There was further expert psychiatric evidence that such techniques as listen style auditing encourage a trust and dependency by the patient on the auditor. and tend to mobilize guilt and bring up emotions and anxiety in the preclear. Such anxiety tends to provoke more symptoms, more anxiety and perhaps more depression, leading to a worsening of the situation. In any event, being a good listener or interviewer is not sufficient. What is required is an understanding of the complexities which are involved, an understanding impossible of attainment by a person whose only claim is that he is a scientology-trained auditor.

The danger to mental health is further emphasized by the peculiar basis of scientology. Its practitioners use techniques based on impossible theories and directed towards the treatment of "conditions" said to be brought about by completely fictitious circumstances. Based on fantasy, scientology has built up a body of "knowledge" which is fanciful and simply not true: thus scientology treats its imaginary "diseases" or conditions with its own fantastic procedures. The alarming feature is that real diseases and conditions do exist and often the fantastic scientology procedures are positively harmful to the real condition. It is like applying an oxy-welding torch to a leaking rubber tube to weld on a patch of rubber over a hole that does not exist, the real trouble being a leaking valve.

It is unnecessary to dwell further at any length on the harm which scientology has done and can do to the mental health of the community. It is not to be doubted that scientology techniques worsen and prolong the mental troubles of the mentally ill and that they produce in even a normal person disturbances and anxieties which may precipitate mental trouble.

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Can someody who has been in please explain to me what is happening in that video?

O.o

Because reading the above on what the L's consist of I just don't get it.


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JaneDoe wrote:
Can someody who has been in please explain to me what is happening in that video?

The woman is talking about her "feelings" after having done some Scientology auditing on her L's.

At first, she talks about how she had done her "setups" (those auditing steps or other actions required BEFORE starting your L's procedure). Then she talks about being nervous about what's going to happen in her first L session. Then she gets "hatted" on the procedure (told how to do the procedure from her point of view). Then they DO the first L procedure and she is blown out and would just LOVE to tell everything... but she'd signed some waiver (confidentiality agreement, I presume).

So you can now see how "blown out" a Scientologist can be after doing some Scientology auditing. And she couldn't explain it anyway, even if she was allowed to talk about it.

It is this "high" that Scientologists seek.

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