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Sea Horse



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My story. I did the Purif. I hated it. I hated running in the sweltering southern summer heat for 20 minutes when I was not fit to begin with (I wouldn't have been able to jog 20 minutes in an air conditioned running track). I hate sweating (always have). I hated being in a sauna for five hours at a time -- too hot, can't have your glasses on (metal frames burn face), couldn't read, couldn't do nothing but talk to the other person there (blurred vision, no glasses, you realize that watching body language and facial expressions WAS part of normal conversation practice). You get tired of talking to the same person for 5 hours a day, for over two weeks straight.

I hated ingesting the oil (disgusting). I hated the CalMag drink (bitter). It gets harder (not easier) to gag down handfuls of vitamins each day. The Purif C/S won't tell you anything. Your hair turns to seaweed after showering 10 times a day.

You get no indoctrination before starting the Purif (what the hell you're doing, why, when does it end, etc.) You're told to read the book Clear Body, Clear Mind to get the idea of when to end. When the hell do you read the book? You have 5 hours in the sauna with no glasses and when you're done all you want to do is go home, turn up the A/C and crash. (Remember, it's 5 hours IN the sauna. Add 30 minutes for the exercise, add time for commute to and from the org, time to shower and dress at the end, time to write up your stupid reports and swallow dozens of vitamin pills.)

As a "first action" (first 'audited' thingy in Scientology) the new Scientologist doing the Purif has no fucking idea what to do or say to END a process or rundown. But somehow the C/S (Case Supervisor) is somehow expecting you to say something (in writing, in your log book, of course) that will indiciate to him that you're done.

With me, after over two weeks I protested enough that they put me in session (on the emeter) to do a Purif Repair List. In it, I was at least asked about my experience and was able to talk to a human (instead of talking to a silent piece of fucking paper). I was able to say how I hated it and had no clue why I was doing it and wanted it to stop. Thank god for one caring auditor who asked if I was DONE, saw a "read" or "floating needle" or whatever she saw on her emeter, and I was able to "be a completion" and end the HEATED NIGHTMARE which is the Scientology Purification Rundown.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats correct, Seahorse.

And the doctors visit is to check the heart and liver for any problems that would prevent them from doing a rigorous program like the Purif.

Even if they go to a non-Scino doctor, the doctor is supposed to be informed of the type of program that the person will be undergoing and sign specific papers that are part of the Purif program. A Case Supervisor will not start a person on the rundown without this doctor approval.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Trial Testimony re Purification RD and Nobel Prize Reply with quote

Scientology v. Armstrong LASC No. C 420153 Reporter's Transcript of Proceedings 10 May 1984 wrote:
Q BY MR. FLYNN: Do you recall the date of your

petition, Mr. Armstrong?

A Yes.

Q And when was the date?

A 8 January, 1980.

Q And at the time of the petition what essentially

were you petitioning for?

A To be able to collect up all the records, files

of Mr. Hubbard; to assemble them and to do the research for

his biography.

Q And did you feel that it related to the success

of various of Mr. Hubbard's personal undertakings?

A Yes.

Q And did you put that in your petition?

A Yes.

Q And did you feel that it related to the success

of the Nobel Prize project?

A Yes.

Q What was the Nobel Prize project?

A Mr. Hubbard had ordered in the end of 1979

that a Nobel Prize be obtained for him for his discovery or

creation of the Purification Rundown. It was a series of

steps which he felt could eliminate toxins and radio active

particles from the body.

Q Did you work on that Nobel Prize project?

A Yes.

Q What did you do?

A I did some of the research to find out who the

nominating committee was and to see whether or not we could

locate anyone in the Scientology network who had a connection

into any of the members of the nominating committee.

Q And did you petition Mr. Hubbard to collect

up the materials for the success of his biography and press

legal handling?

A Yes.

Q And how did you know about the biography at that

point in time?

A Because I was familiar to some degree with the

work that Laurel Sullivan was doing.

We had been in RPF together for some months;

we had worked together on the LRH renovations project and had

become familiar with the fact that there had been one

planned for several years.
http://gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/a1/rt-1984-05-10.html

Scientology v. Armstrong LASC No. C 420153 Reporter's Transcript of Proceedings 14 May 1984 wrote:
Q [by Mr. Flynn] Now, with regard to the Nobel Prize project, did

you see any orders from L. Ron Hubbard with regard to the

use of Scientology funds to obtain Mr. Hubbard the Nobel

Prize?

A [Gerry Armstrong] Yes.

Q What did you see?

A It was -- there was a series of communications,

orders from him regarding obtaining a Nobel Prize. And one

of them and the one which laid out what he wanted, he stated

that unlimited funds were allocated for this project, the

project of getting him a Nobel Prize.

Q Unlimited Scientology funds?

A Yes.

Q And you saw that order?

A Yes.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/a1/rt-1984-05-14.html

Scientology v. Armstrong LASC No. C 420153 Reporter's Transcript of Proceedings 17 May 1984 wrote:
THE WITNESS: Gerald Armstrong.

Q BY MR. LITT [Mary Sue Hubbard's attorney in Armstrong 1]: Now, Mr. Armstrong, when you were

in Scientology, was it considered a matter of prestige to be

connected to Mr. Hubbard?

A I think that it probably depended on the

individual, the degree, but I think that it was an asset

being connected with him, yes.

Q In fact, people would, if anything, tend to use

his name in a variety of contexts as sort of authority

because his name carried a great deal of weight; correct?

A If you mean would they say that they had orders

from him when they didn't or he had told them something when

he hadn't, I think not because to fake an order was a very

serious offense in Scientology and to later be found out by

Mr. Hubbard would be deemed to be a serious offense.

I can't recall someone faking such a thing other

than pursuant to Mr. Hubbard's orders.

Q I am not asking you about faking a thing. All I

am asking you is people would, where the conditions allowed,

use his name because if it was associated with Mr. Hubbard,

it would get done faster and people would sort of snap to,

so to speak; right?

THE COURT: If you know.

THE WITNESS: Right. By association, where I was in

the organization --

Q BY MR. LITT: I am not asking about you in

particular. I am just asking about your general impression

overall.

A Right. I am trying to explain that.

By association was not enough. An order from

Mr. Hubbard was sufficient to get something done on a very

speedy basis, but not just by saying that you were

associated in some way. I hope that answers it.

Q Well, you got a lot of things done because of

the post that you held that dealt with Mr. Hubbard's archives;

right?

A Well, I was able to do what I did throughout

those two years because of the approval of Mr. Hubbard of

my petition.

Q Well, how many people in the organization had

seen to that? Did all of the people that you have sent all

of these communications to, had they seen that, or did they

just know that you were a researcher collecting LRH materials

and that was important? Wasn't that what you understood

what their knowledge pretty much was?

A Each person who was in a position of power that

I had to deal with knew that Mr. Hubbard had approved the

position.

Q I'm not talking about just positions of power.

THE COURT: The whole thing is a compound question the

way you have phrased it. You can get any kind of an answer.

MR. LITT: I'll rephrase it, Your Honor.

Q You had communications throughout the organization;

correct?

A Yes.

Q At many different levels where you needed to get

something, needed help with something in the course of these

two years; right?

A Yes.

Q And many of these people, as far as you knew,

hadn't been sent a copy of your petition or directly informed

of your petition; right?

A I --

MR. FLYNN: Again, Your Honor, it is compound, but I

hate to keep making needless objections.

THE COURT: Well, if the witness can answer it, he may

do so.

THE WITNESS: I'm trying to think of any particular

person who would be in a position like that with whom I had

communications who I would not have had to tell that sort

of thing.

When I was dealing with, for example, the people

who assisted in the setting up of the office for Mr. Garrison,

there I liaised with organization people doing -- who

installed the carpet and painted the walls, that sort of

thing. And I was able to do that simply because of the

altitude that I had as a result of working for Mr. Hubbard.

I never had to explain that he had approved my

petition.

Q Okay. Fine. Now, in doing your work did you

get a car at some point?

A I did get a car at some point.

Q When you say in doing my work, it is not quite

that way. I was able to obtain the car not directly in

connection with the biography project, but as a result of

Mr. Hubbard's order regarding the Nobel Prize project; that

unlimited Scientology funds were to be allocated for that

project.

It was on the basis of that order from Mr. Hubbard

that I submitted a proposal for the purchase of the car which

was also used on the biography project which was used by

MCCS.

But the initial order which paved the way for

the purchase of the car was the unlimited funds allocated

to get the Nobel Prize. I was also working on that project

at the time. So that is how I got the car.

Q Now, the car that you used in connection with

the biography work, had that been paid for by the Church

of Scientology of California as far as you knew?

A I don't know. It came from -- the way I

understood the finances worked, was the special unit, which

then was in Gilman Hot Springs, received a lump sum per month

from what it called SOR, Sea Org Reserves. And it was from

those Sea Org Reserves monies that I obtained the car.

Q And the Sea org Reserves monies, did you know

what they were? Did you know whether they were Church of

Scientology of California, or Mr. Hubbard's, or something

else's?

A My understanding was Sea Org Reserves contained

the monies from all Scientology sources internationally

except for those that were designated RRF or except for those

that were maintained in the local organizations' accounts.

So they had operating expenses. There was --

this was GO accounts in addition to Sea Org Reserves. Sea

Org Reserves was the biggest.

Q Did you think Sea Org Reserves was Mr. Hubbard's

personal money?

A Well --

MR. FLYNN: At what point in time, Your Honor?

MR. LITT: During the archives period.

THE COURT: What is meant by "personal money"?

MR. LITT: Did he think it was Mr. Hubbard's money as

opposed to money that belonged to one or another church.

THE WITNESS: My understanding was that Mr. Hubbard

could order whatever he wanted done with that money; whether

or not that made it his personal money, that is really hard

to say.

I think that he acted as if it was his personal

money. It probably wasn't his personal money.

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/a1/rt-1984-05-17.html

In a petition to L. Ron Hubbard on 8 January 1980 Gerry Armstrong wrote:
Dear Sir,

I am petitioning you to be posted to handle research for
your biography and related projects.

I feel it warrants a petition to you because it entails
research on your personal time track and the person doing such
would have to have your trust.

I wish to do this for the following reason:

1. The future of this planet depends on Scientology. The
success of Scientology at this time will depend in no small measure
on the success of various of R's personal undertakings; the
Purification R/D and Nobel Prize pjt, the R Biography and press/
legal handlings to mention the few I know about.

These projects currently have no one researching, data
gathering and collating for them.

2. The finalization of any one of these projects will
greatly alleviate current threats to R. His free movement could
become possible and his actions, projects and ideas in other
spheres will become more accepted.
[...]
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/historical/armstrong-pet-lrh-1980-01-08.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bea Kiddo wrote:
Thats correct, Seahorse.

And the doctors visit is to check the heart and liver for any problems that would prevent them from doing a rigorous program like the Purif.

Even if they go to a non-Scino doctor, the doctor is supposed to be informed of the type of program that the person will be undergoing and sign specific papers that are part of the Purif program. A Case Supervisor will not start a person on the rundown without this doctor approval.


Hey BK did you ever see a non-scieno doc approve the Purif Program? I'm curious.

When I did the purif I went to a scieno-chiropractor, who I had been seeing on and off for adjustments. No blood tests, nothing, yet this guy signed the permission paper.

In hindsight I can't see how any legit non scieno doc would approve this without evaluation of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Purification RD as an entry onto the Bridge Reply with quote

Hubbard makes it clear that the Purification Rundown is a one-size-fits-all entry onto the "The Bridge to Total Freedom."
HCO BULLETIN OF 6 FEBRUARY 1978RD Purification Rundown Series 1R THE PURIFICATION RUNDOWN REPLACES THE SWEAT PROGRAM by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 6 FEBRUARY 1978RD
REVISED 27 MARCH 1990

Remimeo

Purification Rundown Series 1R
THE PURIFICATION RUNDOWN REPLACES THE SWEAT PROGRAM

Refs:
HCOB 5 Nov. 74 DRUGS, MORE ABOUT
HCOB 31 May 77 LSD-YEARS AFTER THEY HAVE "COME OFF OF" LSD
HCOB 25 Oct. 71 DRUG DRYING OUT
HCOB 2 June 71 I Study Series 2 CONFRONTING

(This issue has been revised to incorporate data from recent research into the progress of cases in view of the current environmental and drug scene, and to give the full steps of the new Purification Rundown.)

(The Purification Rundown does not supplant technology developed and in use especially in Narconon for persons currently on drugs and apt to experience withdrawal symptoms when taken off of them. The rundown would be begun only after such technology was applied.) [1]

(We are not concerned with handling bodies with the Purification Rundown. Our concern is freeing the individual up spiritually. The only dosages recommended are those classified as food. There are no medical recommendations or claims for it. The only claim is future spiritual improvement.)[2]

(This data is released as a record of researches and results noted. It cannot be construed as a recommendation of medical treatment or medication and it is undertaken or delivered by anyone on his own responsibility, I receive no percentage of fees for administering this rundown and my development of it is a contribution and gift to my friends.)

[...]

The planet has hit a barrier that prevents widespread clearing—drugs and biochemical substances. These can put beings in a condition that can prevent case gain.

That's the situation today.

What would you give for a rundown that undercut every case on the planet and could be administered by technicians who did not require long periods of training?[3]

Sweeping breakthroughs have been made recently through my twenty-nine year study of the progress of cases against the environmental factors and biochemical aspect of our current society.

One immediate result of this is the Purification Rundown.

The Purification program is a program to purify and clean out of one's system the restimulative drug or chemical residues which could act to prevent case gain from Dianetics or Scientology processing. Based on the original Sweat-out Program, it is a new much more thorough and much faster version of that program, streamlined by the introduction of the sauna bath for sweating, and with a much broader use.

It should be clearly understood at the outset that the Purification Rundown is not a substitute for any kind of processing.

Rather, because of the biochemical problem that besets society today, it is the undercut that has become necessary to prepare the majority of pcs for making optimum case gain from their processing.

In point of fact, the Purification Rundown is for anyone.

BIOCHEMICAL FACTORS

By "biochemical" is meant:

The interaction of life forms and chemical substances.

BIO means life; of living things. From the Greek "BIOS," life or way of life.

CHEMICAL: of or having to do with chemicals.

"Chemicals" are substances, simple or complex, which are the building blocks of matter.

We live in a chemical oriented society.

One would be hard put to find someone in the present-day civilization who is not affected by this fact. The vast majority of the public is subjected every day to the intake of food preservatives and other chemical poisons including atmospheric poisons, pesticides and the like. Added to this are the pain pills, tranquilizers and other medical drugs used and prescribed by doctors. And we have as well the widespread use of marijuana, LSD, angel dust and other street drugs which contribute heavily to the scene.

I have even found that there is such a thing as the "drug personality." Drugs can apparently change the attitude of a person from his original personality to one secretly harboring hostilities and hatreds he does not permit to show on the surface. While this possibly is not always the case, it does establish a linkage between drugs and increasing difficulties with crime, production, program execution and the modern breakdown of the social and industrial culture.

These factors are all part of the biochemical problem.

[...]

SUMMARY

With the Purification program we now have the means to get rapid recovery from the effects of the accumulation of the environmental chemical poisons as well as (the medical drugs and street drugs which inhibit the progress of cases.

By reducing the time required for sweat-out and increasing its efficiency, we are able to make the Purification program a single, easily completed step.

With the inclusion of vitamins, minerals and oils we are able to work toward restoring the biochemical balance of the body and make it possible for the body to reconstruct itself from the damage done by drugs and other biochemical substances.

We have brought the person up to the level where he is now ready for processing and can truly achieve biophysical and then mental and spiritual gain.

From this step alone one will see some sparkling results.

The Purification Rundown should be ideally followed by auditing. The type of auditing most beneficial for the next step is Objective Processing.[4] An enormous body of work exists for this next level, none of which is changed by the Purification Rundown. The Purification Rundown only undercuts it. As the world sinks we get below it to prop it up!

Let's give this program a total push and take a major step toward a drug-free society and planet!

[1] People coming off drugs are given mega vitamins and highly authoritarian and hypnotic Objective Processes, the same kind of objective processes used on all entry-level Scientologists to bring their minds and bodies under control. See also: Toronto: Narconon Charity Information Return 2005.
[2] Obviously, the Purification Rundown is riddled with claims.
[3] Obviously the point is that the Purification Rundown is a one-size-fits-all route onto Hubbard's "Bridge to Total Freedom."
[4] Narconon subjects would get their Objective processes reviewed and redone after the Purification Rundown.

See also: New York Press:THE RUNDOWN ON SCIENTOLOGY’S PURIFICATION RUNDOWN
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The paper that the doctor must sign lists out what must be checked and briefly explains the Purif program.

Anyone have a copy of the Purif Delivery manual handy? Its in that booklet.

And yes, there have been many times the doctor was not a Scino who would sign. As long as they signed the form from the book, it was ok.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: PURIFICATION RUNDOWN Reply with quote

Gumbythetruth wrote:
I hope i am not offending anyone by starting so many threads on a variety of subjects. I just have so many questions and this being a board the world visits on a regular basis. i think it is good to renew topic,s from time to time. That being said, once again please bear my ignorance on many of these topic,s.

Not a big problem really. I like fresh threads on "standard" topics.

I wonder though, do you use the Search function here (on the Message Board and on the main Operation Clambaked website) to look up these basic subjects? You might find an old thread that is full of jewels and even far superior to what a new thread has to say. Some oldtimers here don't weigh in every time a topic comes up and you might be missing what they have to say.

Also, do you Google these topics you're curious about? That might be more productive all around as well. Google might take you to great stuff on Lermanet or ESMB that is not here.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bea Kiddo wrote:
The paper that the doctor must sign lists out what must be checked and briefly explains the Purif program.

Anyone have a copy of the Purif Delivery manual handy? Its in that booklet.

And yes, there have been many times the doctor was not a Scino who would sign. As long as they signed the form from the book, it was ok.


I trust you on this, though I find this very hard to believe. It just irks me thats all.

Anyone out who realizes the con of this rundown, which had this process approved by a non scieno doc please contact them and let them know the truth. Maybe this will save another from partaking in this, or at least hinder their process as they will eventually need a scieno doc approval.

This is one run down that needs to be run down and out. It is not legit on so many levels.

I wish Hubbard's Clear Mind, Clear Body booked would be thoroughly evaluated by a group of recognized respected health practitioners and/or scientists. This would be another brilliant step in bringing forth the lies and false science of this cult.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sea Horse wrote:


Hubbard says:

c) that you have to exercise to open up your capillaries so the newly ingested niacin can get down into deep cells to help dislodge the old drugs,

.
Well now. Anybody that paid attention to high school health and science class or anatomy know the body rebuilds and replaces cells by the millions each day. Some heavy metals can accumulate within the human body over time or in cases of extreme exposure. The human sweat glands do not have the capability to (sweat these out) you can,t sweat out mercury or lead poisoning. Sweating is a temperature regulating effect within some mammals and higher primates. Humans included. Now the kidney's in humans filters the blood of toxins and dead cellular materials. Anyone whom believes they can sweat out accumulated toxins is very misinformed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: L. Ron Hubbard Clear Body Clear Mind Reply with quote

Here are some claims for the Purification Rundown from the dust jacket of Clear Body Clear Mind:
L. Ron Hubbard Clear Body Clear Mind wrote:




We live in a society under siege, bombarded by an onslaught of drugs and toxins. No one escapes the pollution.

Consider these facts:
•The production and distribution of illegal drugs has become the largest and most destructive industry on earth.

•The average school child in the United States is exposed to illegal drugs by the time he is eight years old.

•Medical drugs — also a multi-billion dollar industry — are used today for a multitude of problems — from sleeplessness to nervousness to depression.

•More than 3,000 chemicals are deliberately added to the foods one commonly finds in a supermarket.

•Over 700 different chemical compounds have been found in common drinking water.

Recent scientific findings demonstrate that drugs and chemicals stay in the body long after they are ingested, dulling awareness, mental acuteness and emotions. They make a person feel dead, dull and lifeless.

Until the advent of the Purification Program developed by L. Ron Hubbard, there was no hope of recovery from these long-term effects of drugs and chemicals.

For the first time, this book offers a real and workable solution — L. Ron Hubbard's effective Purification Program that gets rid of the life-stopping effects of drugs and chemicals and makes your life as fresh and new as a clear-running stream.

Since the release of this program in 1979, tens of thousands of people have completed it, with results that are nothing short of miraculous. In many thousands of letters and successes, people claim they now think more clearly, feel emotions they have not felt in years, and are much more enthusiastic and energetic about life.

Read this book, and discover today's only effective program for total well-being in today's drug and chemical society.

Copyright © 1990 Bridge Publications, Inc. All rights reserved. Scientology and the Scientology symbol are trademarks and service marks owned by Religious Technology Center and are used with its permission. Printed in U.S.A. C0628


L. Ron Hubbard is one of the most acclaimed and widely read authors of all time. His works have sold over 90 million copies, have been translated into 26 languages and published in 71 countries. His self help classic, Dianetics, has topped national bestseller lists for years. He has had 16 national bestsellers in the last five years.

No armchair philosopher, L. Ron Hubbard lived an exciting and adventurous life — from barnstorming pilot, novelist and explorer in his early years to world renowned writer, philosopher and humanitarian. He saw life from all sides and wrote about what he observed and discovered.
As early as 1949, L. Ron Hubbard had researched the effects of drugs and had found, contrary to the claims of analysts and doctors, that drugs did not help a person's well-being and in fact hindered a person in life.

Alarmed at growing drug use in the society in the late 1960s, L. Ron Hubbard spent a decade researching and testing methods to help individuals get rid of the harmful effects of drugs. His discoveries are today used by hundreds of organizations and many thousands of people with remarkable results.
L. Ron Hubbard has said in an essay, "I like to help others and count it as my greatest pleasure in life to see a person free himself of the shadows which darken his days.

"These shadows look so thick to him, and weigh him down so, that when he finds they are shadows and that he can see through them, walk through them and be again in the sun, he is enormously delighted. And I am afraid I am just as delighted as he is."

People all over the world consider they have no truer friend.

THE POLLUTION OF YOUR BODY IS BLOCKING YOUR CLEAR THINKING
Your body is like a river that is being polluted by industrial waste. The use of drugs, chemicals, pesticides, toxins, food preservatives, pain pills, tranquilizers and many other chemicals and poisons has reached epidemic proportions.
This pollution doesn't go away. Research has shown that drugs and chemicals stay in the body long after they are ingested, dulling awareness, mental acuteness and emotions, They make a person feel dead, dull and lifeless.
At last, there's an answer. For the first time, this book offers a program that works — L. Ron Hubbard's effective Purification Program — an exact regimen of sauna, exercise and nutrition that gets rid of the life-stopping damage of drug and chemical pollution.
Read this book, and discover how you can:
• Increase mental sharpness so you think more clearly
• Feel less sluggish or wooden
• Regain a feeling of health and well-being
• Feel emotions you haven't felt in years
• Recover your enthusiasm for life!
CLEAR BODY; CLEAR MIND -
THE EFFECTIVE PURIFICATION PROGRAM!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: PURIFICATION RUNDOWN Reply with quote

Roan wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
I hope i am not offending anyone by starting so many threads on a variety of subjects. I just have so many questions and this being a board the world visits on a regular basis. i think it is good to renew topic,s from time to time. That being said, once again please bear my ignorance on many of these topic,s.

Not a big problem really. I like fresh threads on "standard" topics.

I wonder though, do you use the Search function here (on the Message Board and on the main Operation Clambaked website) to look up these basic subjects? You might find an old thread that is full of jewels and even far superior to what a new thread has to say. Some oldtimers here don't weigh in every time a topic comes up and you might be missing what they have to say.

Also, do you Google these topics you're curious about? That might be more productive all around as well. Google might take you to great stuff on Lermanet or ESMB that is not here.

Hope this helps.

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Roan, yes i do look at the archives and google many a topic. I find that many of the younger crowd is more apt at looking at something recent than digging thru some of the older stuff. Not to say Newbie,s are lazy or anything of that nature. Just trying to make the materials a little more accessible. I also find that we have many new ex-scientologist here. For them to vet a subject could be very helpful in their growth process IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think what caroline posted regarding Mr Hubbards response to Gerry's request says it all!

"L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

I’d got a long psychiatric record, by the way, in the navy,...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4truth2 wrote:
Ouch. This is probably a trip down memory lane I can do without, but if sharing this helps Gumby and others to understand what is entailed on this “rundown” and hopefully dissuade anyone who is actually considering doing the purif from NOT doing it, then it will be worth it. (Note to those in the know: WTF was it about Hubbard naming so many things “rundowns”?)

Early in 1987 after finally getting a petition approved from ED Int (I had been classified an “illegal pc” more than year before), I borrowed the money from a loan company (the cost then was $1,000, it has tripled since then from what I understand) and routed on.

The daily routine consisted of arriving at the org, undressing into shorts and sweatshirt, running for about 20 minutes to get my heart rate up, then swallowing a couple of ounces of oil and a shit load of vitamins. The dosage increased every day and the niacin “flush” was supposed to entail expelling drugs and toxins out of your body. (Years later I found out from a doctor that my liver had been damaged from niacin overdoses).

The sauna “therapy” involved at least 2 hours or more each day, only interrupted by bathroom breaks and drinking water. I was on the program for about 6 weeks as I was confused as to what the expected End Phenomenon was supposed to be. If your body manifested any symptoms other than the red niacin flash, you were congratulated for running out a particular drug associated with that manifestation (LSD for example – any sense of dizziness or disorientation was said to LSD leaving my body). After inquiring as to why this was taking so long, I was given some lame explanation about “theta perceptics” declared myself “done” and rushed up to the exam unit, place on the cans and asked to write up my “wins”. (As I indicated on an older thread regarding my story, I left in 1991 and came back 4 years later. Since I had smoked some weed in the interim, I was expected to do a “re-tread” on this thing. Thank God I did not.)

The PR has always been that doing this rundown is supposed to make you think more clearly and have more control over your life, and in general, just feel brighter. I experienced none of those things. I just saw it at the time as one of the necessary steps in “going up the bridge”. They pushed the purify pretty hard in those days, as they claimed that simply taking prescription drugs, having radiation entering your body from a dental exam or breathing smog made it necessary for EVERYONE to do this. (As an aside, when Chernobyl occurred, the org was practically giddy, as they saw it as a PR boon that would force the entire planet into the saunas).

All of this is fraud, practicing medicine without a license and junk science at its very worst, made even worse by Scientology’s consistent efforts to make presentations to the school systems for recruitment.


Similar experience here!

I was attracted to the Purif by a Scientology friend. That was the hook for me as I had done a variety of drugs as a kid. Rather than really evaluating this program I fell for it.

I too was declared an illegal pc after putting $1300 down for this process. I should have taken legal action then. Hindsight. Frustratingly so I took a variety of basic classes, bought books, tapes etc. and got routed on to the PTS/SP course. I got out of this by using their own language ... too steep of a gradient! I barely knew what Scientology was and they were trying to get me to take the PTS/SP course.

After talking my way out of the PTS/SP course I walked away cuz I felt there was something wrong with this stuff, though couldn't put my finger on it at that time.

Round two, I came back a year later and half later as I was hanging around the same friend. Stupid I was. And I admit this was stupid. I own it. I was looking for something and got sucked into the con. Let the internet be your friend, along with other fact checking.

I hooked up with a field group which was more user friendly than the Org.
Then actually went to the ship first, came back and took the purif. Maybe it cleared the possible asbestos exposure out of me from that trip! Wink

I didn't have a twin for 3/4' of my process, which is supposedly necessary. BK maybe you can comment on this. Scientology can bend the rules when its in their favor.

I finished up after three weeks. It was exhausting and I'm in pretty good shape. The ridiculous amounts of vitamins, the cal mag drek and large doses of niacin, which is the biggest ruse of this rundown to me, can not be healthy for the body. Excuse the grossness of this, but I had horrible diarrhea throughout this process. Duh, no need to wonder why (large amounts of water, vits, cal mag)! EP It certainly did flush me out! Shocked

The group think and sense of belief that this is working is another aspect which embeds the con. I for one was a good little believer at the time.

EP (end paradox) ... critical thinking is so necessary for everything. There are a lot of cons and false beliefs in this world, research such endeavors.

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Gumby thanks for starting these threads. Whether they are in the archives or not, additional insight and understanding comes forth.

Thanks BK and other ex staffers who bring light to these topics. The perspective and input bring things full circle.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a sauna at 24 hour Fitness where I am a member and I hang out in there once a while for brief time periods. It's healthy. I also take a balanced high quality vitamin and mineral supplement. So I like a LITTLE sauna and vitamins for health.

What's in the Purification Rundown right now is dangerous to a certain number of people. People are gambling with their lives to go onto that program. C of S are lucky that they haven't had more problems with it than they have had.

I am one of the people that the Purification Rundown became dangerous for: I did it in mid 1995. I was on it for 2 months, and I never stopped having a niacin reaction. Eventually I just claimed "overrun" and quit. I lied that I'd had a "day" with no niacin reaction and that I'd gone past it. I thought they were trying to kill me. I lost over 20 pounds on it and I didn't need to lose weight!

THERE ARE SOME MAJOR FLAWS IN THIS PROGRAM. I wrote these all down for the Snr CS INT to make changes in 2000, and I was never acknowledged. I was told by someone in OSA that, "LRH is Source of the program, not scientists at some college somewhere"

Doctors' don't know everything to examine for. They don't know what can go wrong. All I got was a general medical check up, from Dr. Denk himself. He gave me to A OK. I also had a non-Scn doctor give me an OK after she'd scanned through the Purif Book. They don't test to see if there are any thyroid conditions or food allergies or obscure heart disorders...

This is what happened to me: In the middle of the program, I had an allergic reaction to the All Blend Oil (I'm allergic to SOY). I broke out into bleeding,pussing hives all over my feet, legs and knees. The longer I stayed on the program, the higher up the hives would creep. They weren't "running out". They fucking itched too! And the second I'd scratch, I'd start bleeding. Some of the sores got infected. Finally I convinced the MLO ASST to let me see one of the other non-Scientology doctors who'd given me a go ahead on the program and the Dr. took a look at me and said that it was food allergy. The MLO GOLD had wanted me to just keep going on the program, that the hives would just "run out." and that allergies were 'psychosomatic" .

My Dr. disagreed, she said that it didn't matter if it was psychosomatic anyway, an allergy can kill someone whether it's mentally generated or not. So she had me take a food allergy test. It cost me about 180.00. I had to pay for it myself. It was everything I had. My test came back and we spotted that I needed to get individual oils and not use the all blend oil with the soy. I was allergic to SOY.

The next thing that happened were two things at once: My metabolism sped up, way up. My stomach went into overdrive. I was constantly painfully hungry and I could not eat enough. I felt like a hole was burning into my stomach. It probably was because I had to get treated for a duodenal ulcer later. Again.. I went to see this non-Scn doctor and she said that I needed to stop taking anything with Iodine in it, because I'd been taking too much and my Thyroid had become seriously hyper. So, then I had to get special non-iodized salt. I had to get special vitamins bought for me that were not vitamin complexes including iodine. I had to stop eating all sea food. It took months to get my thyroid to calm down again. I had a sore throat area for months.

Then, along with the above... I started smelling like ammonia. Very strongly. I thought that I was "running out" the toxin of ammonia, perhaps because this was used in cleaning regularly at Gold. I stupidly tried to stay in the sauna daily to "run out" the ammonia. Plus I kept having a niacin reaction somewhere. I stank so badly that no one could be in the same sauna with me. The other purif people went into the second sauna. There were two at Gold. After about a week, the ammonia smell wasn't going away. I crapped some solid green liquid, like alien diarreah, a couple of times. That was weird, because I had not been eating anything really all that green... hey maybe I got rid of some aliens!! (joke)

I started having heart palpitations. I'd get these shooting pains down my arms and numbness in one of my arms, and pain in my neck and chest. I'd have a little shortness of breath and I'd get really tired.

The MLO ASST was concerned and so she took me off the program and took me to a heart specialist in Hemet. The guy put me on an EKG and said that I had "WPW" Wolf Parkinson's White Heart Disorder. It is something that 1 in every 2000 people have ( hey does that make me a 2.5 percenter?) most of them don't even notice it. It's relatively minor. It is however, really important to know if one has it or not and have it in their medical records because a tachycardia (too rapid heart beat) for a WPW person cannot be treated with the regular meds given to a tachycardia victim, the regular meds would kill someone with WPW. So it's important to have the prescription or a note with you in your wallet or something too for if you have a tachycardia due to WPW.

The doctor explained that there is a 'circuit' between the left and right sides of the heart. It's kind of like an electrical circuit. It keeps the pumping of the left and right sides of the heart in sync and regular. In my heart I have TWO circuits between my left and right sides. One of them is shorter, it's like a short cut. If I get low on electrolytes (magnesium,potassium, etc.) my heart will start using the shorter circuit and my heart will start beating faster and faster, racing.

The doctor prescribed a numbing drug to help me to slow down my heart rate if my heart should start racing too much. He wanted to do more tests to determine to what extent I had WPW. Usually in a young strong heart, it is unnoticeable, besides maybe feeling a little more tired once in a while when the heart gets into beating faster. He did not quite understand why I was having chest pains, even when I explained the sauna treatment to him. Actually I didn't talk to him about that, the MLO ASST did. Maybe she didn't tell him, or he didn't register.

So I did two more tests. One was I had to wear a halter monitor, a portable heart rate monitor and recorder with me for a week. I had to take it into the sauna with me. Then I had to run on a treadmill for a long time at it's uphill setting. They were trying to find my "threshold", at what point would my heart go into a tachycardia and start racing out of control and would it at all? Was my problem only that my heart would race a little faster, or was I in danger of it continuing to race faster and faster?

the MLO Asst did not fill my prescription. She wanted to see if giving me extra magnesium shots would help the chest pains. She wanted to raise my electrolytes. She had me drinking not just filtered water while I was in the sauna but gatorade, something with electrolytes in it. Actually I think she got some other kind of sports replenishment drink because I didn't like the sugar in gatorade. Luckily I didnt' have to pay for this. The MLO Asst bought it for me.

I passed the halter monitor test and the treadmill test. My heart was not at risk of beating TOO fast. I was merely suffering from a more rapid heart rate but it was not dangerous to me. At least not according to this Heart Specialist.

At the end of the week with my heart rate monitor, I did stop having chest pains. But my heart rate continued to be higher than normal. It wasn't like I was just sitting in a sauna for four hours. It was like I was running in terms of how fast my heart was beating.

I began feeling weaker and kind of scared all the time. This strange anxiety and fear. There was this anxiety feeling I'd never had before. I got really jumpy. Kind of like I was on too much cafein but I wasn't. I had trouble sleeping. I started sitting in the sauna "thinking" about my case (since I'd been told earlier that my physical aches and pains were from my case) and I'd say weird things to some of my Purif partners. This may have contributed to why I was put on the Introspection Rundown years later, I don't know.

I checked my weight at the beginning of my last day on the Purif. It said 112 pounds. I compared it too the weight I'd had two weeks ago. My weight at the beginning of the program was 132 pounds. I'd lost 20 pounds! I didn't need to lose weight!

This thought flashed through my head, "these people are trying to KILL me?" and I felt enormous paranoia. I squelched the thought. It was just my case. It had to be. No one would intentionally want to kill me. But wait? Doesn't the CS LOOK at my reports daily? How could they have let me stay on the program losing so much weight? I'd been told to take more oil, but it wasn't working. I wasn't fat. I didn't need to be losing weight.

My eyes were bright, my skin was perfectly smooth and healthy looking, I looked clean and pure. But I felt like shit. I was jumpy and nervous all the time. My at rest heart rate went from a previous 60 beats up to 80 beats or 90. My higher rate was higher too. I was in overdrive. My stomach was still killing me, I was still hungry all the time. I'd eat three plates of food. I was eating as much as three people and I was still losing weight. I had to get off the program. No one was sounding any alarms. It was up to me. so I lied my way off the program.

I was walking up on the North side of the Gold property the few days after I finished the Purif and David Miscavige came by. He was on his motorcycle and his wife Shelly was sitting behind him. He stopped his motorcycle in front of me and said, 'Hi Mo, Wow... you have lost so much weight? What happened?" I said, "Well Sir, I don't know...I've been thinking about it and I.... (I was about to start talking about my case, about what I was thinking about maybe I was feeling fear and anxiety about my past life because I was breaking through a big barrier... and the bank didn't want to let me through, to knowing my real past life...I was getting up the bridge TOO fast... and that could be deadly....bla bla bla) Shelly made a noise while I was in the middle of talking and I looked back at her behind DM. She was waving her hands at me as if she wanted me to shut up. I was confused. DM didn't see her waving. I kind of froze up and just was staring at them both. DM said, "Well, OK... MO.. let me know when you find out then...don't lose any more weight."

Months later, I found out I had a tape worm in my intestinal tract. The Purif doesn't get rid of those, and they produce more toxins under pressure. It was eating my food and poisoning me too. I found out that I also had a duodenal ulcer and that despite all the water I was drinking, I was dehydrated which is what contributed to the ulcer getting worse.
I continued to occassionally get chest pains and rapid heart rate. I'd lost 20 pounds so it seemed my heart had gotten smaller too. It was having to work harder. But I also had this feeling of paranoia and fear. It was amazing.

YEARS later, after I got off of staff and I was living in Glendale as a public Scientologist, I went to see a professional Personal Trainer because I only weighed 100 pounds and I was underweight, so I wanted to get help to gain back weight. I wanted to get back up to 130. I had lifted weight before and I had always been very strong, so I wanted my muscle collection back! Damn it. I felt weak and vulnerable without them. (note: I'm back up to 120 now. Highest since 1995. Man, it's taken a long time)

The Personal Trainer explained to me the subject of "target heart rate" and that a person wanting to gain or maintain muscle mass MUST always have a heart rate monitor when excersizing and make sure they do not continue to excersize for a long time at or beyond their "target heart rate." The Personal Trainer assigned me a target heart rate. I think it was 150 beats, I can't recall. I remembered when I was in the sauna for four hours and when I had the heart rate monitor. I'd met that rate and stayed at it for hour.

I asked my Personal Trainer what would happen if I stayed too long at my "target heart rate" and he explained to me that at a certain point the body goes into a 'fight or flight' mode. It starts metabolizing it's own muscle tissue instead of metabolizing fats and other food stores, including the heart muscle. He explained to me that because ammonia is a byproduct of protein metabolism, that sometimes people stink like ammonia who are burning their own muscle tissue for energy. He explained to me that it was particularly important for people who are experiencing stress in their lives, already in some kind of pain from a past injury, or otherwise under the weather to take it more easy, since they are already close to being in the 'fight or flight' mode.

So, after I learned all this, I learned that I wasn't sweating out my fat near the end of my Purif, I was sweating out my own muscle!! I was canabalizing my muscles and my own heart. 20 pounds of it. The ammonia smell was because I should not have been in that sauna at all!!!

Then, the personal trainer told me how long it would take for me to build back up my muscle to 130 pounds like I had it before and he said it would take me two years of dedicated working out and working with my diet to do this. He said he'd help me for 3,000 dollars. Well I did not have that kind of money, so I wasn't able to start building back my muscle yet. But I wanted to get GOLD to pay for my muscles!!! That program made me lose them in the first place!

So, I wrote up a really long report to the Snr CS Int Office through my OSA person and explained that I wanted 1) The Purif Bulletin to be corrected to include basic information about heart rate and metabolism, to include a heart rate monitor for everyone on the program, to include allergy testing BEFORE the program, to include a test for people with WPW.

and 2) I wanted 3,000 so that I could hire a personal trainer and get my muscles back.

Of course, I was ignored and treated like my failures on the Purif were all my fault. someone showed me a section of the Purif bulletin which says that you have to get out of the sauna and take breaks if it gets "too hot" but it was never "too hot" for me! I didn't feel too hot. I lived in the dessert, I was used to the heat. I mean, how does someone measure that? Too Hot? So, somehow I was wrong for not following the bulletin exactly. Whatever.....

I think the Purif is dangerous and that it should be illegal. It's only luck that more people haven't been harmed by it.

There are detox programs that are much easier on the system. I've done some intestinal cleansing programs which handles parasites and goop in the intestines. That was easier to do. There are also good liver detox programs that are helpful and not dangerous.

If there is anything that I could do to get this program made illegal, I would do it. Aren't High does of vitamins considered administering drugs? The Cof S has made it clear that they aren't going to change it or revise it just becuase of the "failures" What percentage of people have to complain and say it's caused harm for them to take heed?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

entheta wrote:
Bea Kiddo wrote:
Does LSD really get lodged in tissue and other drugs, as per what LRH states about the reason for needing the Purification RD?


LURKERS, FRIENDS, ROMANS: LSD IS WATER SOLUBLE. THIS MEANS THAT IT CAN NOT AND DOES NOT LODGE IN THE BODY.


It is also destroyed within about 15 minutes of being absorbed, which is why it's very difficult to test for, someone who is tripping has no LSD left in their body.

There are virtually no recreational drugs, and few other psychoactive drugs, which are fat soluble except for THC, the active ingredient of cannabis. The "science" involved in the purif is basically LRH-invented folk medicine.

Were there psychoactive substances stored in fatty tissue, you could not sweat them out anyway, since you don't sweat fats, you sweat water. Fatty tissues contain less water than bone, so they'd be about the last part of the body to be affected by something like the purif. You could clean junk out of fat deposits by eliminating the fat deposits, but that would require extended diet and exercise, would not be safe and feasible for many people, and... can you imagine LRH with only a few percent body fat? Anyone would be able to see that he wasn't following his own advice.

The niacin dosage is wacky and dangerous. There is one use for niacin which is vaguely similar - if someone is on LSD, and needs to be brought down, 50 milligrams of niacin will have them feeling perfectly normal in under half an hour. Taking 100 times that much, long after any LSD is gone from the system, does nothing but cause liver damage and risk to the circulatory system.

It's just another case of Hubbard's narcissism making him think himself qualified to give advice on all sorts of subjects that he knew nothing about. The purif is as solid medically as is smoking to prevent lung cancer. The benefits are as real as a Venusian train ride. Avoid.
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