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 Post subject: Re: Security Breaches, Trust, and Generosity
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:55 am 
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Hello members of OCMB. I am anon93752. I am better known as DeliciousCakeSF on Enturbulation.org. I am a mod there. For a very long time I have been reading about the events that have unfolded in the past few weeks about Tory Magoo. I find it all very unfortunate since the last time I saw her, she and I were having a great time with everyone in Washington DC.

However, for the purposes of full disclosure, I present to you the following links in order for you to be able to gather information to make up your own minds about all parties involved. Some of you have already read these links but it bears repeating.

The Last Magoo Thread: http://forums.enturbulation.org/7-gener ... ead-24000/

In this thread, our admins and a number of our mods dug through thousands of posts and researched the post and change history of the postings that led to the first internet debacle ("the rape"). Then, the discussion got imported in real life in San Francisco got revealed ("Tommy Gorman and MPB"). Then, this thread led to the analysis of the nature of The Thunderdome and finally Tory Magoo's request to have her account removed.

Thetan Ass's Final Words - A Cautionary Tale TAKE HEED!: http://forums.enturbulation.org/7-gener ... eed-24267/

This thead reveals how one of our most active members had to drop out of Chanology because actions directly related to Tory Magoo's words and guidance.

Old Guard - Phone Numbers - Security Risk: http://forums.enturbulation.org/7-gener ... isk-24635/

This thread discusses the security breach posed by Old Guard regarding phone numbers and calling activities.

I also have information that I've kept for a long time because I was afraid it would endanger members of Anonymous and everyone involved if revealed. But I also believe that it would endanger members of Anonymous and all parties if I kept it secret. I was probably one of only two people who were sober that night this occured:

In late May, Anonymous, Tory, and a few OG had a flash raid in Hollywood. Anonymous from ALL OVER CALIFORNIA came to this one. In the end, to celebrate our success and the movement, we were invited to the home of a generous Anonymous. Later that night, after a few drinks and stories, Tory wanted to build her list of contacts so she asked some Anonymous members FOR THEIR NAMES AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS. She wrote them down on a pad of paper. Granted some of us were inebriated and may not have been thinking straight but this action has resulted in information gathering that can seriously endanger all of us.

Tory, and for those who are passionate about this movement and the safety of your allies, I implore you--not as a mod for Enturb or an Anonymous but as a fellow activist who is standing next to you in this fight: PLEASE DESTROY THAT INFORMATION YOU COLLECTED THAT NIGHT WHETHER IT'S THAT PAD OR YOUR CELL/PHONE LOGS/COMPUTER (caps not to shout but to emphasize). Everyone, if you have any identifying information from Anonymous, please destroy them all. I am begging you to help keep your comrades in this fight safe so we can fight another day for as long as this fight needs to be fought.

If you have any questions at all for me, I am available at Enturbulation.org. Just PM me. I'm one of the more accessible mods there. Thank you.


DeliciousCake:

You seem to be misunderstanding a few crucial points here.

I read all those posts. I read a few that the mods obviously didn't know about as well.

I want to point out: if OSA unmasked people because of numbers that Tory had, this is not Tory's fault. It's not like she's been busy droppng dox all over the net like some other groups I could name like to do. Numbers are exchanged in local cells all the time. I believe a far more serious leak came from ath correct?

What has split the movement is this: the witchhunt of Tory and the *continuing* witchhunt of Tory. She can't make one post here without it being copypasted over to the TD. Yes, I read that shithole now because I want to keep up with what's happening. You guys *seriously* need to think about who is yanking your chain.

Tory cannot fart now without some butthurt fucktard running to the TD to BAWWWWWWWWWWW. This might be fine with a less high profile target on the net but you underestimated the love that people have for Tory.

This issue is not going to go away. Tory was not treated fairly. And before you say omfg anon is not nice anon is not your friend, yes I'm aware of that. The call to arms for that kind of anon went real well didn't it?

August I *hope* will go well. Everywhere but LA and SF it has a good chance to do so.

But moot wanted an end to protests, right?

I can think of another group that wants the same thing.

Please stop acting like a mob with a single target and restore my faith that anon can think.


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Thanks to all who have supported free speech for all.

I agree with jerald, I'm not going to be picketing with anyone right now,
as I don't agree with the "Phase 3: Internet Hate machine".

I doubt Scientology will do anything ...the same as they have for the last many months. They're too chicken to face *anyone*.

For ALL of the many cool anonymous people, I support all that you're doing
that remains legal and helps expose Scientology's abuses. You've majorly
kicked their asses, and they remain in hiding: The bottom of the Emotional
Tone Scale. Way to go :cheers:

Take care, stay well, and have fun!

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JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:09 am 
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WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.


I have seen a lot of this post fixing. Jane said what she ment and it's wrong to change it.

I'll ask you the same question.....

DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?

i'm sorry but it almost seems like everyone is waiting to pounce on anyone that shows Tory surport. There have been around 30 posts and around 2000 views.

Let those who surport Tory do so. We have that right as members here.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:16 am 
WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.
Rose. Question if i may. Why are you FIXING another's post?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:23 am 
I find it rather alarming, that individual's here on OCMB are "FIXING" another individual's quote and or comment.

That form of behavior, to EDIT another posters comment,Then quotes it , is not as far as i understand the OCMB T and C,s ethical behavior.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:28 am 
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JaneDoe wrote:
Um . . . she made one post here.


In this thread yes. But as has been pointed out, she's done so in threads completely unrelated to the subject at hand.

JaneDoe wrote:
She is entitled to say whatever the fuck she wants.


Who says she isn't? However, she shouldn't be surprised that any attempt to re-write events will illicit a response from people.

JaneDoe wrote:
Who copypasted to the TD huh?


I don't know, nor do I care. You see, I have the good sense to stay the fuck away from the TD.

JaneDoe wrote:
FFS people START THINKING. Jeebus!


Please take your own advice and let me know how it works out for you, okay?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:31 am 
WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


Quote:
fix'd that for you.
WhiteRose. Whats the deal here? You manipulating another OCMB members posts?


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Prufrock wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
Um . . . she made one post here.


In this thread yes. But as has been pointed out, she's done so in threads completely unrelated to the subject at hand.

JaneDoe wrote:
She is entitled to say whatever the fuck she wants.


Who says she isn't? However, she shouldn't be surprised that any attempt to re-write events will illicit a response from people.

JaneDoe wrote:
Who copypasted to the TD huh?


I don't know, nor do I care. You see, I have the good sense to stay the fuck away from the TD.

JaneDoe wrote:
FFS people START THINKING. Jeebus!


Please take your own advice and let me know how it works out for you, okay?


No I think the point here is this is not ARS or EO and we for the most part should just plain act better. This isn't anything goes. Here we can forgive and forget if we choose.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:33 am 
Gumbythetruth wrote:
WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.
Rose. Question if i may. Why are you FIXING another's post?
Come on WhiteRose. Please explain to this board, your justification for manipulating another OCMB members post. I await your answer!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:39 am 
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H'okay. I joined OCMB when I found it during research on another project, far before the whole Anonymous thing even began. I lurked here forever before joining, found a lot of useful information and was appalled at the horrors that this cult has subjected others to. I began to write my project, now including this new information. I have seen a lot of good people in here.

Then.. suddenly Anonymous!

I was totally jacked by Anonymous. I'm not overly familiar with /b/ or any of the *chans (lurked there a few times, much lulz over them), but I was totally ecstatic about this new movement (as an old political activist myself - it reminds me of the "old days" when I was younger and had the energy). I've done what little I can, considering my situation, and watched this from afar.

Then my computer dies and I'm off-line for a few weeks and all this happens.

I have to say, I did not join EO until this whole incident went down. Lurked there too, since it's inception, on and off. I'm not one to get publicly involved in things, normally - but this is so completely ridiculous now that I feel a need to say something, fwiw.

Tory: Please just stop.

Yes, you have a right to say what you believe (and you have).

Yes, you have a right to be upset because you believe what you believe (rightly or wrongly, I'll hold my opinion to myself) - but for goddess sake! You are "feeding the trolls"! If for nothing else, please do not feed the trolls! Things keep settling down, and then you have to say something again and they're going off once more. At this point it isn't even about you being "right or wrong" or even about the who-did-what-to-whom llamadrama ... it's about it continuing on and on and on, even though both sides have had their say. It's about "Let's let this lay and move on" and then dredging it up again publicly so that people can see it and respond - knowing they are going to respond.

If you think you're the "bigger person", as you are putting across to others, then please be the "bigger person" and let this go, and as you keep saying, "move on".

And for the record - dox speak for themselves. Dox don't have an agenda.

Just sayin'...

Plz can we haz kill-a-cult now?

No h8. :cry:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:42 am 
Gumbythetruth wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.
Rose. Question if i may. Why are you FIXING another's post?
Come on WhiteRose. Please explain to this board, your justification for manipulating another OCMB members post. I await your answer!
WhiteRose. I,m still waiting for your explanation as to how you justify your editing and manipulation of OCMB member JaneDoe,s comment!


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What I just noticed here is that since Jane Doe posted there have been over a hundred views here. It really is starting to seem like someone is watching to see if Tory posts or someone posts surport for her. And then running off to tell everyone.

I get that you don't like Tory. Everyone gets it. But no one has the right to hound her like this. It's one thing to state how you feel and another to try and hound her into silence. You don't have the right to keep after her like this because she won't bend in what she belives.

You keep telling her to move on and fight the fight. Well why can't that apply to all of you also?


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Gumbythetruth wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.
Rose. Question if i may. Why are you FIXING another's post?
Come on WhiteRose. Please explain to this board, your justification for manipulating another OCMB members post. I await your answer!
WhiteRose. I,m still waiting for your explanation as to how you justify your editing and manipulation of OCMB member JaneDoe,s comment!


Where ya been Gumby, that's been going on for days.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:44 am 
Gumbythetruth wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
WhiteRose wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
You know what?

I've missed Tory. She's not allowed to post anymore? Must have missed that memo . . .

Welcome back magoo. Post what you want. ... and reap the whirlwind...


fix'd that for you.

Yup, post whatever you want. Everybody! Write for HOURS about yourself and how tough things are in your life. Tell us EVERY detail. Hell, make 'em up so we all get whipped into a frenzy at how one-sided it all is. But don't be surprised if people roll their eyes, turn their backs, and get back to the more meaningful stuff.

Or do you guys want to hear about the girl who was mean to me in high school and how I got back at her at the reunion, and the woman who cut me off at the gas station the other day and what I said (or didn't) to her...

It's all very high school-ish, and if TD really is a bunch of "mean kids" as they have been tagged by some, you'd think a 60-year-old would be able to just shrug it off and stay above the fray. But no, we're dealing with a 60-year-old who wanted to hang out with those supposed teens. WTF am I supposed to make of THAT?

It might be best if Tory returned to fighting Scientology rather than talking incessantly about herself and her battle against the Thunderdome. That would do far more to restore her "lost honor" than all the "I'm the most tortured person in the history of the world... Those mean people are in a wicked conspiracy against me, and it's LIES, ALL LIES. But don't pity ME. I'm HAPPY." posts, and the inevitable, "You sweet soul of goodness and light, don't let those bad people get to you!" posts that follow.

Frankly, although I am an empathetic person, I have begun to have increasing contempt for the inability to just leave it alone and go on with those she likes, trusts, and who believe her. These constant attempts to do "damage control" or whatever are just not helping anymore. Opinions have been formed, and now we have to work with what we have, go on from where we are.

Many, many are doing so. And if she were able to do so, and just ignore the occasional carping in TD about her, (where, yes, she has become a joke, and there's no undoing that) then we'd all be the better off for it, and the cult would be the worse for it. Stop giving jokesters ammo, and they'll run out of things to say. Easy as pie. There you go!

I apologize for my directness in this post. Usually I'm a bit more diplomatic. But this has worn thin.

We have reached a point at which no further posts from either side on the subject will advance mutual understanding. Let's not beat each other to death in the process of establishing right and wrong. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Can't stand Oprah these days, but this, I remember, from earlier days:

"DO YOU WANT TO BE RIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT PEACE?"
There are times when it's best to move forward, with cautious optimism, and this is one of them.
Rose. Question if i may. Why are you FIXING another's post?
Come on WhiteRose. Please explain to this board, your justification for manipulating another OCMB members post. I await your answer!
WhiteRose. I,m still waiting for your explanation as to how you justify your editing and manipulation of OCMB member JaneDoe,s comment!
This ^^^^^^^


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