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MOTEL. I found it fascinating that the county used the word "MOTEL". I presume this is the Sea Org berthing building. So much for calling it a "residential" area. Places that people sleep are not necessarily "residential". Motels (and hotels) are typically classed as "commercial" -- even if not open to the public, such as a private corporate "retreat" property or a private organization's campground.

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After careful review of ALL the property dimensions running parallel to Cult owned lands, this poster feels the individual arrested ( AnonOrange) was lured off a large piece of COUNTY buffer property onto the cult property. One has to view the aerial map with property lines in order to see how the cults guards accomplished this.

Since there was no reason for AO to be on Scio property, and since his car was clearly on public land (and being messed with by the scilons), it won't be hard for him to show in court that the only purpose for him to approach the scilons was to ask them what they were doing with his car and tell them to stop. That purpose does not make it a trespass. It's a clear case of a "set up" with a really lame excuse for trespass and citizen's arrest.

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Reading through the infromation above, it appears that
the highway-adjacent strips of "Gold Base" that are
within 300 feet of Highway 79, are both zoned "W2".

To determine the applicability of the restrictive ordinance
to "Gold Base," questions that need to be answered include:

What is the definition of "W2" zoning in Riverside County?

Is it strictly "residential," or "commercial," or "mixed use"?


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IMHO one JEFF STONE of Riverside co California is the POCKET so to speak of the Church of Scientology. Our man JEFF STONE is District 3 supervisor. District 3 is where cult property is located.


Definitely not a coincidence... but far short of proving a conspiracy.

1) Jeff Stone is District 3 supervisor.
2) Scilon compound located in that district.
3) Scilons want the county to do something, so they lobby the elected representative of that district.

I think the Scilons are slimier than the soles of Sen. Larry Craig's shoes after a trip to the restroom at the Minneapolis/St. Paul airport, and there might have been some sort of incentive (or fair game) to get Supervisor Stone to introduce their proposed ordinance, but it would be far stranger if the Supervisor representing a different district was doing it.


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To determine the applicability of the restrictive ordinance
to "Gold Base," questions that need to be answered include:

What is the definition of "W2" zoning in Riverside County?

Is it strictly "residential," or "commercial," or "mixed use"?

This is irrelevant. The Ordinance is about buildings, not land. It requires protesters to be 300 feet away from the residence being picketed, not the land on which the home stands. Standing on private land without the owners permission is already covered by the laws of trespass.

The protesters at Gold are not picketing an individual's residence, as their placards and actions make clear. They are picketing a property of the Church of Scientology where its employees work. Further, the County Supervisors were strongly advised by their legal counsel NOT to amend the Ordinance, since it was already following a narrow path between the right to protest and the right to privacy.

Looking at the aerial view, I assume there is no indication as to property lines on the ground? No 'Private Property Keep Out' signs? The boundary wall is well back from the property line, there is nothing of value that a trespasser could damage or steal. A reasonable person would not expect in such circumstances to be physically manhandled by security guards without receiving any warning that he was trespassing.

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W2 zoning in Riverside County can be residential, certain types of agriculture, or certain types of light industry. The zoning definition has undoubtedly been modified for the benefit of the CoS, as you might gather from section (d)(27): "Printers, publishers, film studios, or recording studios as accessory uses to an educational institution, church, temple or other place of religious worship." Churches are also allowed in W2. Then again, so are some single family residences and trailer parks. There's nothing about W2 zoning that defines a piece of property as residential (or not).

Summary of W2 zoning here: http://www.tlma.co.riverside.ca.us/plan ... es.html#w2
Boring text of it here: http://www.tlma.co.riverside.ca.us/plan ... article_xv

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^^^ THIS... should be an exhibit at the "trial."

Along with the video of the flare behind the vehicle.

And all the other video of this incident.

Another Surfer, considering attending any trial that results from this incident


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The Scientologists should clear their MUs (misunderstood words).

trespass

vi.
1 to go beyond the limits of what is considered right or moral; do wrong; transgress
2 to go on another's land or property without permission or right
3 to intrude or encroach [to trespass on one's time]
4 Law to commit a trespass

n.
the act or an instance of trespassing; specif.,
a) a moral offense; transgression
b) an encroachment or intrusion
c) Law an illegal act done forcefully against another's person, rights, or property;
also, legal action for damages resulting from this trespasser

SYN. trespass implies an unlawful or unwarranted entrance upon the property, rights, etc. of another [to trespass on a private beach]; to encroach is to make such inroads by stealth or gradual advances [squatters encroaching on our lands]; infringe implies an encroachment that breaks a law or agreement or violates the rights of others [to infringe on a patent]; intrude implies a thrusting oneself into company, situations, etc. without being asked or wanted [to intrude on one's privacy]; invade implies a forcible or hostile entrance into the territory or rights of others [to invade a neighboring state]

Etymology: [ME trespassen < OFr trespasser < VL *transpassare, to pass across < L trans-, trans- + VL *passare, to pass < L passus: see pace]

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