Hubbard's use of hypnosis - Dianetic's true SOURCE revealed

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Post by caroline » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:05 pm

lermanet_com wrote: He is now talking about something in the prior and following paragraph that is described better as "autosuggestion" or as "autosuggestion via implication" Hubbard uses tons of this, and this is the main conceptual block that prevents current victims of covert hypnosis and scientology from recovering... because they look at the (autosuggestion via implication of "facts") as "evidence" that something is there, and know rightly, that IT is not classic hypnosis, which is true, but I have not been able to master this part of Hubbard's deceit well enough to not confuse the reader further...when I try to explain it.
In the lecture excerpted below, Hubbard essentially claimed that he revolutionized hypnosis. He admitted to using about twenty known phenomena and in particular remarked about using hypnosis to cause a highly dissociated condition for purposes of control. Scientologists sometimes experience dissociation as "exteriorization."
From Lecture 21 January 1952: The Anatomy Of The Overt Act Part II by L. Ron Hubbard who wrote:Once upon a time they were mystic, magic, miracles. And then one day they become as solid as this table, at which time they are established phenomena. Now, that is what we are dealing with now, and in Dianetics I have tried consistently to deal only with established phenomena, no matter where it came from. It is very odd, but much more phenomena came out of the field of religion and mysticism than came out of any other one subject. But don’t think that other subjects weren’t investigated.

For instance, hypnotism has been in existence — that I know of — for about thirty-five hundred years. The phenomena of hypnotism in those thirty-five hundred years was known just as far as it went. It was recognized that you could relax another human being and what you said to him would then become effective. Or that you could cause this other human being to dream or travel to far places while he was under this “spell.”

Now, here we have phenomena. They have known that. Charcot tried to establish other phenomena in the field of hypnotism — posthypnotic suggestion and so forth. Later on they tried to work out a dream therapy. Strangely enough, no new phenomena were recovered. [Wikipedia: Charcot]

And now we come up in Dianetics. Hypnotism was practically in its virgin state: there were maybe four or five phenomena known there, and we have suddenly taken these, we have taken them apart, we have looked at them, and out of them we have got about twenty phenomena and we can use them.

And one of those phenomena is the shift of the control center. You can watch it happen. You can watch it occur and you can feel it occur. It is a physical sensation. It is a physical sensation to your preclear and it is a physical sensation to you, the auditor.

Think of the last time you audited somebody — when you sat down to audit them. How did you feel at the beginning of the session? How did you feel at the end of the session? At what time during the session did you start to actively control the limbs and memories of your preclear? Is your control center still there? Well now, actually, all you have got to do is sort of say to yourself “Just take it back,” and your own feeling of individuality will go up.
INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE – TR L
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.
Commands: Part l “Tell me a lie”.

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Post by lermanet_com » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:06 am

-------An introduction to hypnosis for any scientologist that says 'it works'--------


There is a man we once admired who really liked using shore stories. When we would go out on missions, we always had WHAT WE WOULD TELL PEOPLE WE WERE DOING - you know, like when a religious group calling themselves United Churches of Florida started buying properties in a sleepy little town in Clearwater, or that gal, I think it was Paula Tyler, (who later married my old best friend Gary Lowe) who told Paulette Cooper, that she was doing a 'survey' 'to save the whales" or something, THAT was a shorestory. and Paulette held that clipboard in her hands and signed it... little did Paulette know that a piece her own letterhead paper had been taken from her own home office by a man working for scientology who also told her the 'shore story' that he 'loved her'... The fingerprints they got from her on that piece of her own letterhead that had been taped to the back of the clipboard face down down were used to send a bomb threat - which itself was an elaborate shore story that the FBI swallowed hook line and sinker and then criminally prosecuted her.

Hubbard mentioned a man named "Estabrooks" in a PDC tape, who was a famous hypnotist, whose specialty was military grade hypnosis, who states in one of the later chapters of his 1943 book Hypnosis (we have the 1st half webbed HERE) that:

all that is required to induce a person into the deepest trance states possible is to cause that person to repeatedly imagine something that is not there.

Consider, if you will, the possibility that 'auditing to get rid of body thetans" might have also been a "Shore Story".

Freud et al. considered the "Prenatal" and 'past lives' to be delusion.. but not Hubbard! But remember, Hubbard was a master of hypnosis! LINK and he was a master of shore stories.. and....he admitted on a PDC tape of having read the man who said this:

all that is required to induce a person into the deepest trance states possible is to cause that person to repeatedly imagine something that is not there.

What if the story of BTs, Prenatal engrams and Between Lives rubbish was all just a shorestory to cause you to repeatedly imagine something that is not there.

What makes you think, now, knowing the facts above, that when you first read Dianetics, and became convinced by his shore story, to try it..that Hubbard wasn't just fair gaming you, too ?

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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:58 pm

++++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture+++++++++++++

The hypnotist works on nothing but confusion. He will have
some small boy stand in a narrow door-way pressing out,
with his hands held down at his sides, and pressing out on
the door frame. Then he will have the boy step away, and
into the room, and he will say, “Your hands will now rise.”

Of course the residual muscular tension that has built up
will cause his hands to float up in the air willy - nilly. The
child thinks, “What happened to me I no longer control
myself.” The hypnotist can then implant (into this now
completely unresistive child) any suggestion he desires
... “You are now a dog.” And the boy will bark. That is
what hypnotism is, a confusion done through some
sensory channel.

— L. Ron Hubbard
Lecture 24 June 1952 Technique 88: Motion & Maybes

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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:19 pm

+++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture+++++++++++++++

BLACK DIANETICS,

1 . hypnotism. (5109C17A)

2 . unscrupulous groups and individuals have been
practicing a form a Black Dianetics on their fellow man
for centuries. They have not called it that but the results
have been and are the same. There are those who, to
control, resort to narcotics, suggestion, gossip, slander
—the thousands of overt and covert ways that can be
classified as Black Dianetics. (Scn Jour Iss 3G)

— L. Ron Hubbard
Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary

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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:25 pm

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As a matter of fact, you could take the subject of Black
Dianetics— a very simple subject—and use this material.
You hit somebody over the head, shoot him in the arm
with some sodium pentothal or something like that—rat
poison, whiskey, anything poisonous—and stamp on him
so it doesn’t leave a bruise or anything, and then you
read him off an engram with all kinds of phrases in it.

He would wake up and not be aware of what had happened
to him, and neither would anybody else.

This is not against the law, by the way. The only person
who could complain is him—and you would have told him
to forget it. It is not against the law. Any time he went up
to the D.A.’s office and said "Do you know that so-and-so
knocked me out and read me an engram and kicked me
in the stomach while he was doing it?" they would say,
"Yes, yes," and send for a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist
would come up, take out his pince-nez, look at him and
say, "These are the symptoms of paranoia. Yes, that’s
the way all paranoiacs act, and that’s what they claim
—that somebody has drugged them. You have to send
him to the insane asylum." And they would send him to
the insane asylum and give him electric shock or give
him a prefrontal lobotomy.

That is Black Dianetics.

— L. Ron Hubbard
Lecture 12 November 1951 Basic Postulates

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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:07 pm

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The Church of Scientology...does not give credit to hypnotism...
explaining that their processes are the really valid ones while
hypnosis is outdated...[but] their methods are clearly hypnotic
ones....yoga comes close to being an Eastern way of using
what in the West is called hypnosis...all regimented techniques
such as Silva Mind Control, EST, etc., have the phenomena
of hypnosis at their roots...although most would fervently
deny this. Why? It is very simply good business to try to
come up with something which seems different, if you are
trying to sell it to a purchasing public.

—McGill, J. of Hypnotism, March 1990, pp. 30-31
Source: Encyclopedia of Hypnotism by Carla Emery
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Post by lermanet_com » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:02 am

Consider while reading this the promises AND if they were JUST promises why were they repeated so many times.. Consider Hubbard's choice and use of the word "CLEAR" as a noun, as a future condition promised AND consider its' COMMAND value to the subconscious.....!!

"Scientific American, January 1951
By Isaac Isidor Rabi

DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, BY L. RON HUBBARD. Hermitage House ($4.00).

This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page than has any publication since the invention of printing. Briefly, its thesis is that man is intrinsically good, has a perfect memory for every event of his life, and is a good deal more intelligent than he appears to be. "
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Excerpt, page 72 THE HYPNOTISM HANDBOOK, 1956, by Charles E Cooke and A.E. Van Vogt

THE FORMULATION OF THERAPUTIC
SUGGESTIONS FOR USE WITH
DISGUISED TECHNIQUES

Elsewhere in this book, in giving the rules for the formulation of suggestions, we have stated that these suggestions should be stated in the present tense.

The rule does not apply where the subject is unaware that he is being hypnotized.

Suggestions given to the hypnotized subject for extreme relaxation and anesthesia. and post hypnotic suggestions (such as continued freedom from tension, freedom from emoti9onal depression, and even post-hypnotic anesthesia) can be stated in the present tense because they can be explained as by-products of 'extreme relaxation".

For other suggestions the patient must be given the basis for accepting the idea. For this purpose the placebo is an excellent tool. The physician can casually but forcefully mention to the hypnotized subject the fact that he is giving the patient a specific medicine which will do the specific job. He can describe the effect on the patient in great detail. He can then administer the placebo while the subject is "relaxed". "so that the medicine will have an opportunity to act".

Suggestions for future changes in the physical or emotional condition of the patient can also be based on therapy which has been in progress or upon contemplated therapy. In this case the suggestions must be formulated in the future tense. In all cases where disguised technique is being used, avoid the type of suggestion which has no rational.

Give the patient a reason for what you are doing."
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Post by lermanet_com » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:43 pm

And this, fellow enthusiasts, THIS is Scientology's Volunteer Minister Scam Exposed!

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Chapter VIII

Techniques of Disguised Hypnosis

"Relaxating" the Patient

Before using this technique, determine the patient's reaction to "being touched." Some individuals find the close personal touch involved in this technique disagreeable. For those few the effect of "back rubbing" is to increase the tensions rather than relax them. The great majority, however, will find the method very soothing. For the few exceptions, use a disguised visual fixation technique, or one of the other methods described in the preceding pages. (A word for word technique for the eye methodbegins on page 12)

Place the patient face down on a couch, treatment table, bed, etc., in a comfortable prone position. Make sure that earrings, belt buckles, things in the pockets, and other lumpy objects will not interfere with the patient's comfort when he is fully relaxed. Use a gentle soothing touch. This is not a massage to break the muscle tension by force. it is a friendly "caressing" type of touch, the kind you would use petting a dog or cat, firm and gentle, not vigorous.
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Post by NineLives » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:39 pm

Speaking of hypnosis, you might want to have a look at this recent article from Scientific American that dispels some common myths about it:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=is- ... tinct-form

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Post by lermanet_com » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:34 pm

"MindWar-

“From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory”. Co-authored with Colonel Paul Vallely and the ex-DIA psychopolitcal operative who founded the Temple of Set after breaking off in 1975 from the Church of Satan...Lt Col. Michael Aquino this [in]famous “thinking paper” examines U.S. Psychological Operations (PSYOP) doctrine as of 1980 and proposes evolutionary and effective changes. "

Excerpt:

For the mind to believe in its own decisions, it must feel that it made those decisions without coercion. Coercive measures used by the operative, consequently, must not be detectable by ordinary means."

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"Give the patient a reason for what you are doing."

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Post by programmer_guy » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:47 am

NineLives wrote:Speaking of hypnosis, you might want to have a look at this recent article from Scientific American that dispels some common myths about it:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=is- ... tinct-form

Monica
Thanks for that article. :) That was interesting.

I think that a lot more scientific research will have to be done before we can get a believable summary on what hypnosis really is.
I suspect that brain research on this will eventually provide the answers.
codo ergo sum.

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Post by lermanet_com » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:15 pm

Here is another choice excerpt

(My comments in [ brackets ] )

Anyone who has done TR0 will instantly recognize the first steps...

The definition of the word "Catalepsy" from Wiki is the
"Catalepsy is a nervous condition characterized by muscular rigidity
and fixity of posture regardless of external stimuli, as well as
decreased sensitivity to pain. [1]"
It is what scientologists practice to do for many hours, it is what
they call the unblinking CONFRONT...

Page 47
SCORING SYSTEM FOR INDICATING
DEPTH OF HYPNOSIS

Depth-------------Score--------Symptoms and Phenomena Exhibited

Insusceptible-------0-----------Subject fails to react in anyway

Hypnoidal ----------1------------Physical Relaxation
------------------------2-----------Drowsiness apparent
------------------------3-----------Fluttering of eyelids
------------------------4-----------Closing of eyes
------------------------5-----------Mental relaxation partial lethargy
of mind
------------------------6-----------Heaviness of Limbs

Light Trance--------7-----------Catalepsy of eyes [the hundred mile
stare]

continues for 2 more pages

Under Deep Trance is this one:
28 Ability to open eyes without affecting trance
29 Fixed stare, dilated pupils

33 Complete Anesthesia [Feels no pain, that would be like being
"CLEAR" 'ed of all engrams, eh?]
[makes Disconnection from loved ones possible]

35 Bizzarre post-hypnotic suggestions heeded (See XENU et al.)

42 Age Regression

Do not limit consideration to just TR 0, consider all the hours
scientologists spent, Listening tothe MASTER Stage Hypnotist,
himself...his voice....for hundreds of hours...on all those thousands
of "Lectures"...

> Give the patient a reason for what you are doing." < please remember
this one line, this is same as "shore story"


FAR AWAY EYES
(M. Jagger/K. Richards) 1977

I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield
Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said, "You know you always have the
Lord by your side"

And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran
Twenty red lights in his honor
Thank you Jesus, thank you lord

I had an arrangement to meet a girl, and I was kind of late
And I thought by the time I got there she'd be off
She'd be off with the nearest truck driver she could find
Much to my surprise, there she was sittin in the corner
A little bleary, worse for wear and tear
Was a girl with far away eyes

So if you're down on your luck
And you can't harmonize
Find a girl with far away eyes
And if you're downright disgusted
And life ain't worth a dime
Get a girl with far away eyes

Well the preacher kept right on saying that all I had to do was send
Ten dollars to the church of the sacred bleeding heart of Jesus
Located somewhere in Los Angeles, California
And next week they'd say my prayer on the radio
And all my dreams would come true
So I did, the next week, I got a prayer with a girl
Well, you know what kind of eyes she got

[Sing it out loud Monica..]

So if you're down on your luck
And you can't harmonize
Find a girl with far away eyes
And if you're downright disgusted
And life ain't worth a dime
Get a girl with far away eyes...
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Post by lermanet_com » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:19 pm

re "common myths" and "waiting for more research...."

Monica,

Sounds like self-denial to me.

How many years did you work for a charlatan named Hubbard?
(confirms something 'worked', was it Hubbard's "tech" or Hypnosis?

Did you not state that you hallucinated during TRs?
(confirms TR's hypnotized you)

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Perhaps all it took were some of these techniques and a nice stage setting, With GROUP agreement (2 or more people nodding in agreement that THERE IS SOMETHING THERE or THERE IS NOTHING THERE, depending on what accomplishes the desired effect in which to distract the rubes long enough from looking at the BIG PICTURE to extract the money from his BANK (account) or whatever other INTENTION towards the desired EFFECT was being implied..

Evidently there is something there...that makes money...if an unscrupulous man without a conscience were to surround himself with the same ilk, perhaps he could fleece sufficient people to build an Empire of Greed.
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Post by lermanet_com » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:36 am

THE FUTURE OF THE HUMAN MIND

BY GEORGE H. ESTABROOKS
AND NANCY E. GROSS
Copyright 1961, by George H. Estabrooks

CHAPTER SIX (pp. 151, 152 and 153)

THE BRAIN AND THE ELECTRONIC BRAIN

That a good hypnotic subject experiences the world through his hypnotist, that another human being can control and even determine for him what he shall see, hear, touch, taste, smell, and remember that, you may well say, is a pretty sad state of affairs. And if you want to pat yourself on the back and give thanks that you are not one of the 20 per cent of potential somnambulists, who can be placed at a hypnotist's mercy, go right ahead. But after you have counted this blessing, you might as well count it right out. Because the power the hypnotist cannot exert over you can be exerted by a tiny electrode and an electric current so weak you cannot even feel it.

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A segment from yet another work by George Estabrooks, who was mentioned by Hubbard in the PDC tapes...
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/estabrooks_electronic.html

seems Hubbard did craft the entire scam dba scientology from George (the specialist in MILITARY hypnosis) Estabrooks
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Post by lermanet_com » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:46 am

somnambulists, in the above post refers to a person who can walk about and act awake while being in a deep hypnotic trance.

In TR-0 that is extactly what we PRACTICED for HOURS.. staying awake in a trance...we were Hubbard's somnambulists.. he told us what we would hear, see, feel, and think, and DO...

See earlier posts in this thread about the EYE to EYE technique

The reactive mind is called THE BANK, and you must get rid of your BANK.

tricky eh? That's why the reg was so hard to resist, your subconscious knew you MUST get rid of your BANK !!.

That is BLACK Dianetics, see this long letter from an old timer to The SpotlightNewspaper HERE.

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And re sitting there listening to Hubbard's tapes for hours and hours...remember, that was Hubbard the Master (and unethical) Stage Hypnotist.
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