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I don't think LRH wrote the HCO Information letter in question. He used to have a publicist who wrote grossly exaggerated puff stuff about him, something like that dramatic wartime propaganda newspaper article that called him a descendant of many naval heroes (he wasn't). Since CoS did not exist during WWII then you can't blame them for it.-


SuzanneMarie, CoS blames SP Transcriptionists for the 57 years of altered basics. Imagine it: CSC, CSI, CoS, and RTC guaranteed the purity of the Tech while selling tens of millions of deeply flawed LRH books and pocketing the immense profits. Now, you are saying that LRH had a "wrote grossly exaggerated puff stuff about him" in order to excuse Hubbard's lies. My God, you people over there in OSA are down to the basic-basic: OSA lies, Hubbard lied, and DM lies. Truth is alien to Scientology. What the Cult calls "truth" is a collection of self-serving lies and PR statements. This is why the critics have taken millions of push brooms, rolled their sleeves up, and are brooming Scientology into the trash cans of history.

Like a tainted Taco of Untruth, Scientology has been exposed as being nothing more than a tortilla of fraud into which is scooped steaming mounds of bullshit, lies, mind control and a hefty dose of PR. Suzie, if you wish to continue to eat Ron's Tacos of Untruth, please feel free to do so. But please, the gas! Please vent your noxious emissions of sulfurous, hellish fumes and lies elsewhere.

The foul stench of fully-digested Scientology reeks of deep-fried brain cells, spiritual and financial fraud, unnatural deaths and suicides, and the odium of ambulance-chasing VM's appearing at the scenes of natural disasters and mass murders for free PR.

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Hubbard As a Nuclear Physicist.

One of the many claims made by Hubbard about himself, and oft repeated by his followers, is that he is a nuclear physicist, and his boast is that he was even one of the first nuclear physicists who, in 1932, were studying on lines which finally led to the atomic bomb. He claims to be an authority on the atom bomb and on radiation and he has written a book to prove it. This book, All About Radiation, is in two parts. The first part, being entitled "The Facts about the Atomic Bomb" and written by "a medical doctor", deals with certain medical aspects of atom bomb damage and is written in temperate language and, within limits, is

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reasonably accurate. The second part of the book is entitled, "Man's Inhumanity to Man", and Hubbard is its author. In the book he is described as "Dr. Hubbard" and as "A Nuclear Physicist".

The Board heard evidence from a highly qualified radiologist who has made a special study of radiation and its effects. He said that Hubbard's knowledge of radiation, as displayed by his writings in All About Radiation, was the "sort of knowledge that perhaps a boy who has read Intermediate Physics might, with a lot of misapprehensions and lack of understanding, demonstrate". One of Hubbard's assertions is that "a 16-foot wall cannot stop a gamma ray but a body, that is to say human, can". This witness said that this was a complete denial of physical truths and was a basic scientific fallacy which would lead to disastrous consequences in this community at this time if it were not resisted. He said that such a statement "shows complete and utter ignorance of physics, nuclear science and medicine". Speaking in general terms about Hubbard's contribution to All About Radiation which he described as "ravings and ramblings", the witness said:

"There is no attempt to present precise data or conclusions from precise data; no attempt to clearly present his views coherently and progressively in terms the reader can follow; colloquial and extraordinary terminology is used to confuse rather than enl ighten; the more basic fundamental established truths of science are ignored and replaced by imaginative fiction without a vestige of corroborative experiment designed to support such hypotheses."

In All About Radiation, Hubbard states that "the danger in the world today in my opinion is not the atomic radiation which may or may not be floating through the atmosphere but the hysteria occasioned by that question". This is in line with much of his teaching that most illnesses are caused by the mind, and he claims that man can be exposed to radiation and escape illness or damage, so long as no hysteria is associated with the event. This contention, the witness pointed out, is absolutely untrue and contrary to all authority on radiation which is uniformly of the view that damage done by radiation is quantitatively related to the magnitude of the physical dose received. "Radiation", writes Hubbard, "is more of a mental than a physical problem". This, said the witness, is completely false. Hubbard's ignorance and confusion of thought are further illustrated by his contention that sunburn is the same sort of burn as that caused by atomic radiation. This, of course, is not so, as the evidence made clear.

The witness gave many other examples as appearing in All About Radiation of Hubbard's lack of knowledge, misunderstanding and positively wrong views on matters of radiation and biology. It is unnecessary further to itemize instances of Hubbard's i gnorance on the subject of radiation except, perhaps, to refer to a formula which he claims to have evolved for a tonic called "dianazene", for which he claims almost magical powers. He wrote:

"Dianazene runs out radiation - or what appears to be radiation. It also proofs a person against radiation in some degree. It also turns on and runs out incipient cancer. I have seen it run out skin cancer. A man who didn't have much liability to skin cancer (only had a few moles) took Dianazene. His whole jaw turned into a raw mass of cancer. He kept on taking Dianazene and it disappeared after a while. I was looking at a case of cancer that might have happened."

This, said the witness, was "utter nonsense". Hubbard gave the formula for dianazene in the book, but there was, as the witness said, nothing remarkable about it; it was much the same sort of formula which is found in many proprietary medicines which are given for vague ill health, though the dosage in dianazene may be a little higher than is generally the case in such medicines. The fact that many Melbourne scientologists have taken dianazene is indicative of the degree of influence exercised by Hubbard over them.

One cannot but agree with the witness that it is a tragedy that anything so ridiculous should be inflicted on the general public.

From this witness's evidence it is apparent that Hubbard is completely incompetent to deal with the subject of radiation and that his knowledge of nuclear physics is distorted, inaccurate, mistaken and negligible. No evidence was called which disputed in any way these conclusions.

The dissemination of such nonsense as Hubbard has written in All About Radiation may well have dangerous consequences, for people reading and accepting it may develop a sense of false security or neglect or mistreat a condition which might otherwise respond to appropriate treatment.

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Swift, I must say you are on today. I lol'd very hard at this:

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Like a tainted Taco of Untruth, Scientology has been exposed as being nothing more than a tortilla of fraud into which is scooped steaming mounds of bullshit, lies, mind control and a hefty dose of PR. Suzie, if you wish to continue to eat Ron's Tacos of Untruth, please feel free to do so. But please, the gas! Please vent your noxious emissions of sulfurous, hellish fumes and lies elsewhere.


Oh man. Next time my son has an essay due (there's one coming up on Crime and Punishment) can we send you a rough draft to work your magic on?

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Why thank you Glibby, you are always so sweet. And brave too. Perhaps the next time you face down the Cult's "old boy" Jeff Stone you can use a modified, and more civil version of my "Scientology as a Tainted Taco of Untruth." After all, Stone's political career is yet another tainted Taco of Untruth that has been found festering and rotting in the guts of Riverside County. If Scientology and Jeff Stone were actual Tacoreias, the Health Department would have shuttered them long ago for their ever-present slime and BT infestation.

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As for SuzanneMarie's wildly idiotic behavior on this thread, why the dear girl has "Out-Suzanne-Maried" herself by posting a glut of wanton, fatuous, lies and half-baked attempts to escape the iron jaws of Truth that prove Hubbard to be a Scumbag and Pervert. Because LRH was an irremediable reprobate across all duh-namics, there is no salvation for him. That is why he was crucified on a Cross of Vistaril for his sins by a traitorous pipsqueak acting in league with his Shadowmen, Dr. Denk, and other Aliens.

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SuzanneMarie has evoked the Cult Lie that any errors in Hubbard's past were all mistakes made by others. Apparently, the Tiny Emperor Napoleon of Hemet has decreed that some 57 years Scientology's past were full of liars, dupes, half-wits, SP Transcripitionists, and wild-eyed PR people. This rather astonishing and perseverant collection of morons, all of whom worked for Scientology in some capacity, are alleged by Napoleon "I love 50 year old scotch" Miscavige to have conspired to produce altered Basics and a demonstrably untrue biography of Hubbard. If true, these allegations render completely false LRH Management Technology because, frankly, this shit should have been caught right away by the meter in session and/or by those persons who were "highly trained" and "hatted" in the swift detection of such marauding, covert squirrels. Why didn't Scientology Ethics, Admin, or the GO catch them in the act? Why did this nebulous and shadowy group of ne'er-do-wells escape detection for over 50 years? How did they succeed so brilliantly in producing lies that would harm Hubbard?

The only conclusion here is that Scientology is quite mad, quite insane, to concoct, and then believe such a bogus, self-serving excuse. Methinks that the teenagers running SO made up this particular excuse because this defense of "SP's in the Past" is completely juvenile and not at all credible to any thinking adult who has the facts at hand. If the OSA adults made up this excuse up, then they are obviously mad and insane. And per Mr. Hubbard, Scientology has no interest whatsoever in the mad or the insane. These unnamed persons whom Suzie Engram cites would have had bad indicators and stats and so Scientology would have been expected to ferret them out like the Ravening Weasels of Suppression they are alleged to have been -- assuming that LRH Management Tech and Ethics worked as claimed by "Dr. Hubbard."

What utter nonsense Suzie Engram! I expect nonsense from you, but what you presented on this thread is delusional and so I can only conclude that Scientology itself made you mentally ill and that is why you are an "Inactive Scientologist." Simply put, Scientology does not audit the insane and you appear to be insane. If you were able, you would be on course.

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Astonishingly, SuzanneMarie refuses to even acknowledge the facts put forth by the immaculately probative probity -- an OCMB poster from whom I have seen nothing but consistently outstanding work, the quality of which is beyond reproach. Example, probity posts LRH chapter and verse:

SuzanneMarie wrote:
probity wrote:
The Weird and Truthfully Inactive SuzanneMarie...
SuzanneMarie wrote:
Who says he was a civil engineer?
Why, LRH says he's a civil engineer (C.E.) and a nuclear physicist, SuzanneMarie!
Hubbard, "P.E. Handout", HCO Information Letter of 14 April 1961 wrote:
Developed by L. Ron Hubbard, C.E., Ph.D., a nuclear physicist, Scientology has demonstrably achieved this long-sought goal. Doctor Hubbard, educated in advanced physics and higher mathematics and also a student of Sigmund Freud and others, began his present researches thirty years ago at George Washington University.
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/sp/images/stories/hcopl/hco-info-ltr-pe-handout.pdf


Suzie Engram then tries to counter with the "There were SP's in Our Ranks Back Then!" victim defense that DM has championed in order to sell new $5,000 sets of LRH Basics to the remaining Kool-Aid crowd who will buy even as the Cult implodes under the massive gravity of its own crimes, lies, and self-deception:

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I don't think LRH wrote the HCO Information letter in question. He used to have a publicist who wrote grossly exaggerated puff stuff about him, something like that dramatic wartime propaganda newspaper article that called him a descendant of many naval heroes (he wasn't). Since CoS did not exist during WWII then you can't blame them for it.

Oh, and when did I proclaim myself as an expert? It doesn't sound like me.

And your remarks about OSA controlling everything that CoS members do, are untrue and thoroughly odd.


Suzie: LRH, MSH, or someone of high rank approved all LRH PR materials. LRH had several offices devoted solely to handling his affairs and they were manned by smart, dedicated, hardcore Hubbardites. Even Arnie Lerma assured that LRH's frozen T-Bone steaks were flublessly transshipped to the Commodore. If LRH cared that much about the buttered T-Bone steak on his dinner plate, you can damn well bet that his all-important PR was hyper-scrutinized by the man himself. Cheerist! He even wrote policies on how to wash windows and cars. If he cared about that sort of minutiae, you know that he himself wrote his own PR or personally read, approved, and signed off on LRH PR written by others.

Your theory of "There were SP's n Our Ranks Back Then" is lame. Yet it appears to be the only shore story that the Cult can evoke.


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SuzanneMarie wrote:
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The Weird and Truthfully Inactive SuzanneMarie...
SuzanneMarie wrote:
Who says he was a civil engineer?
Why, LRH says he's a civil engineer (C.E.) and a nuclear physicist, SuzanneMarie!
Hubbard, "P.E. Handout", HCO Information Letter of 14 April 1961 wrote:
Developed by L. Ron Hubbard, C.E., Ph.D., a nuclear physicist, Scientology has demonstrably achieved this long-sought goal. Doctor Hubbard, educated in advanced physics and higher mathematics and also a student of Sigmund Freud and others, began his present researches thirty years ago at George Washington University.
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/sp/images/stories/hcopl/hco-info-ltr-pe-handout.pdf


I don't think LRH wrote the HCO Information letter in question. He used to have a publicist who wrote grossly exaggerated puff stuff about him, something like that dramatic wartime propaganda newspaper article that called him a descendant of many naval heroes (he wasn't). Since CoS did not exist during WWII then you can't blame them for it.

Oh, and when did I proclaim myself as an expert? It doesn't sound like me.

And your remarks about OSA controlling everything that CoS members do, are untrue and thoroughly odd.


David Miscavige also published Hubbard's HCO Information Letter 14 April 1961 PE Handout in the 1991 edition of the Technical Bulletins. (Volume VI pp. 90-95) I'll post the complete information letter in the public interest, along with the title and copyright pages.

http://www.carolineletkeman.org/sp/imag ... andout.pdf

HCO Information Letter 14 April 1961 PE Handout by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO INFORMATION LETTER OF 14 APRIL 1961

Do Not Remimeo
Print for PE Use in the Magazine
2 Copies to Each Central Org

PE HANDOUT

The following releases should be attractively letterpressed on small individual sheets and are each one a part of the Auto Eval Packet, HCO Policy Letter 2 March 1961.

IMPORTANT: This is "What Is Scientology?" the release required to be given PE test people as per HCO Policy Letter of 2 March 1961, number 3 of the 8 items.

Number 7 (The State of Release) has already come to you as part of a recent Info Letter, and is repeated here, together with numbers 4, 5 and 6. Numbers 1 and 2 will be sent to you shortly.

WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?

For hundreds of years physical scientists have been seeking to apply the exact knowledge they had gained of the physical universe to man and his problems.

Newton, Sir James Jeans, Einstein, have all sought to find the exact laws of human behavior in order to help mankind.

Developed by L. Ron Hubbard, a nuclear physicist, Scientology has demonstrably achieved this long-sought goal. Doctor Hubbard, educated in advanced physics and higher mathematics and also a student of Sigmund Freud and others, began his present researches thirty years ago at George Washington University. The dramatic result has been Scientology, the first major and complete breakthrough by the exact sciences into the field of the humanities. Although taken from the material sciences, Scientology is dedicated in the finest tradition of human dignity and freedom espoused by brilliant men in all periods of man's ascendancy over his relationship to the animal. The laws of this science proved to be startlingly simple when found, well within the grasp of the average person. It is a tenet of Scientology that this knowledge belongs to man, not in the forbidding halls of learning. It is the science of the man, the woman and the child in the street. It belongs to us, the people, not to any vested interest on Earth.

Scientology means the "study of knowledge." Scio is knowing in the fullest sense of the word, and logos, study.

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Scientology is today the only successfully validated psychotherapy in the world. Tens of thousands of completely documented cases exist in the files of the Hubbard Association of Scientologists International.

Scientology has many "firsts." These include:

Scientology is a precision science. It is the first precision science in the field of the humanities. Yet it is sufficiently simple and rapid that where it requires twelve years to train a psychiatrist, eight weeks of heavy Scientology training can permit a person to achieve results. However, for a truly skilled Scientologist, the training period for a doctorate in the subject is usually not under five years and has been ten years.

Ample records exist to substantiate these firsts. Further, the results of Scientology are easily demonstrable claims that can be duplicated by competent practitioners at will using Scientology principles correctly.

The first axiomatic construction of the basic laws of thought and behavior in man.

The first science to isolate the life unit that perceives and generates energy, a discovery comparable to the isolation of the nucleus in atomic physics.

The first science to prove that IQ and intelligence can be improved and are not inherent in a person.

The first science to discover and isolate the reactive or subconscious mind.

The first science to isolate and classify accurately the twenty-four parts of the human mind. Previous to Scientology only the brain, the body, Freud's subconscious and Pavlov's stimulus-response law were known. Scientology has clarified these four and has discovered an additional twenty parts, any one of them more important to man in his efforts to bring peace and order to his environment and Earth.

The first science to determine accurately the honesty and potential character of people by invariable instrument means.

The first mental science to subject itself to the most severe validation tests.

The first science to establish a new state or condition for man which exceeds earlier concepts of man's potential. This alone in Scientology remains expensive due to the skilled attention it requires but is usually a quarter the price of an analysis.

The first science to put the cost of psychotherapy within the range of any person's pocketbook. A complete Freudian analysis cost three to five thousand pounds. Better results can be achieved in Scientology for ten pounds and, on a group basis, for shillings.

The first science to make whole classes of backward children averagely bright using only drills the teacher can do a few minutes each day.

The first science to determine the basic cause of disease.

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The first science to contain exact technology to routinely alleviate physical illnesses with completely predictable success.

The first science of mind to prove conclusively that physical illness can stem from mental disturbance, a fact which Freud held only as a theory, and only seldom demonstrated.

Dianetics is a sub-subject of Scientology and covers the anatomy of the mind rather than the brain. "Dia"—through; "nous"—mind.

In its early years Dianetics and Scientology, representing the severe viewpoint of the physical sciences, were considered highly controversial. Since that time many of its minor discoveries have been borrowed by the humanities.

A host of famous names have passed through Scientology clinics. But it is against association policy to reveal their identities just as the association protects their secrets.

The Code of a Scientologist, under which Scientologists practice, is the most severe ethical code known to physical or mental groups or practices. In addition to other points, a practitioner must return a patient's fees if therapy is not considered successful. Only an average of one case in all the thousands treated in any year over the whole world ever requests a return of fees and these are immediately refunded. A practitioner may be dismissed from the association and forbidden to practice if he violates any single part of the code.

Scientology erects no barriers to anyone by reason of religion or political affiliations; Scientology has no quarrel with the practitioners of other schools and its materials are always fully available to them, but they may not use them on patients unless the practitioner is also trained in Scientology. Medical and psychiatric degrees do not grant the right of practice of Scientology.

Scientology practitioners are called "auditors" —"one who listens and computes." Scientology auditors are available to service in any mental health activity in (country) on a paid or voluntary basis, but by association regulations, may not take staff posts in institutions which practice therapies such as electric shock which can physically harm patients.

Scientologists do not use drugs or hypnotism. They employ only their exact knowledge of the human mind.

The fullest results of Scientology are available in (city).

Scientology Central Organizations exist on every continent and centers exist in most large cities. The principal Scientology organization in the world is the Hubbard Association of Scientologists International. The "HASI" in (city) controls all Scientology in (country). It is located at (address).

The "HASI" is (country's) largest mental health organization and has a dozen practitioners for every one in other mental practices.

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The association is not political in nature. It is humanitarian. By International Board resolution of long standing every Central Organization and its staff is admonished to be loyal to the government in power in the country where it exists and not espouse political controversies.

THE CHEAPEST WAY

The easiest and least expensive way to improve your life is to take a Personal Efficiency Course and then the HAS Co-audit.

This is the lowest cost-effective mental help on Earth.

It is very little trouble to put into effect.

You go five evenings the first week and only three evenings a week afterwards.

By giving help to another person like yourself and receiving help from him you improve your IQ and personality.

Tens of thousands of graphs like the one you have received have been enormously improved by the "PE" route.

Expert, qualified Scientologists are supervising you every moment of the way on the "PE" route.

It is all good fun as well and you will come to know some of the finest people you ever met—people like you who have just taken a test and now want to do something about it.

All you have to do is see the Consultant. Just say "I want to take the PE" and you will be signed up at once.

A few days after you will be wanting to thank us all for having opened this door for you.

Your future depends entirely on either fate or upon your taking the "PE Course."

Sign up and make some new friends for yourself and a new life.

THE FASTEST WAY

The quickest way to change your graph, raise your IQ and alter your future is to see the Consultant and procure individual processing.

A highly skilled and experienced Scientologist will give you fast intensive processing daily for a week or as long as you require.

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The processing consists of getting you to look at and break through all the barriers you've erected between yourself and your goals.

No drug, hypnotism or psychiatry is used. Only various mental drills that lead you out into life instead of on down into the steady grind.

Thousands of persons have been individually processed around the world with the greatest success.

Be sure you will be in good hands.

We are friends of yours.

We want you to be as well a friend to yourself.

If you want the fastest way, see the Consultant and say "I want individual processing."

It is more costly than the PE route but it is a thousand times faster.

Remember, only Scientology discovered IQ could be bettered, personality improved and one's fate altered. And individual processing is the fastest, surest way.

The Hubbard Guidance Center is there to help you.

THE EDUCATIONAL WAY

There are many books on the subject of Scientology.

By reading them you can help yourself at very little expense.

The following is the available book list. Buy the copies you want from the Receptionist.

(List available books and prices.)

THE STATE OF RELEASE

The purpose of Scientology is to make the able more able.

There are several grades of ability in Scientology. The first of these is the general state of the unprocessed human being, or "the average person."

The first level above this is that of "Scientology Release."

A Release is precisely defined as one who has no psychotic or neurotic tendencies of any kind and has a certainty that he will get no worse.

Technically, a Release is one whose graph has been raised by processing and whose IQ has been improved.

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This is done by Scientology processing obtainable from the Hubbard Guidance Center or from the "HAS Co-audit" (Do It Yourself Processing).

It is a wonderful thing to be able to attain the status of a "Release." For one is now more cause over life and is less the effect of his environment.

Far above "Release" are other states of being such as "Clear." However, this is a goal much more distant. One's first target is a "Scientology Release." Now one has a happier future, is luckier and more able to cope with life.

A "Release" certificate is issued without charge by the Hubbard Guidance Center or the PE Foundation to anyone whose test clearly demonstrates that he or she has attained this state.

It is a grand feeling to be a "Scientology Release."

Try it.

L. RON HUBBARD
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Hubbard, L. R. (1991). The technical bulletins of dianetics and scientology. Los Angeles, Calif: Bridge Publications.


See also this a.r.s. post by Mark Plummer regarding this issue.

The document sounds and walks exactly like Hubbard.

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Edit: DM also published HCO Information Letter 14 April 1961 PE Handout in OEC Vol 6 pp. 293-298.

Hubbard, L. R. (1991). The organization executive course. Los Angeles: Bridge Publications.

In the Mark Plummer's post above, he cited to HCO PL 2 March 1961 Automatic Evaluation Packet For PE Foundation. That PL is published on p. 292 of OEC Vol 6 (1991).


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The Orwellian edit in this version is to strip out the C.E. Ph.D. titles, leaving herr 'Doctor' Hubbard the noteworthy accomplishment of 'nuclear physicist'.

The first science to isolate and classify accurately the twenty-four parts of the human mind. Inquiring minds want to know, what are the twenty-four parts?


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The Orwellian edit in this version is to strip out the C.E. Ph.D. titles, leaving herr 'Doctor' Hubbard the noteworthy accomplishment of 'nuclear physicist'.


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Thanks, Caroline! Looks like evil publicist created problems of work. LRH the author probably just didn't notice grossly exaggerated puff stuff on the cover of his own book. Right, SuzanneMarie?


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I read somewhere that Problems of Work wasn't even written by LRH. I was looking all over for where I saw that. Can someone here help?

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And your remarks about OSA controlling everything that CoS members do, are untrue and thoroughly odd.
[color=darkblue]My remark was this: OSA asserts complete operational control over the public defense of Scientology.

OSA doesn't control everything that CoS members do; OSA's mission is to assert complete operational control over the public defense of Scientology. OSA doesn't want CoS members to engage in unsupervised and uncoordinated public defense of scientology (media interviews, letters to the editor, or OCMB postings). OSA doesn't want CoS members to mess things up - that's what OSA is for!

You have made a fascinating point, Probity. OSA took over the Guardian's Office function, and back in the days of the Guardian's Office, absolutely no Scientologist was permitted to do what SuzanneMarie is doing here: engage in a public defense campaign in the media without very strict Guardian supervision. (Today the internet would be defined as media, especially well-known sites like OCMB). For a Scientologist to do so was considered to be "bypassing" the Guardian's Office, and thereby putting the Guardian's Office into a condition of "Danger." I am sure the same analysis would be applied today to OSA.

SuzanneMarie, who posts here as a 10-year off-lines Scientologist who is also a PTS, is bypassing OSA by publicly defending Scientology in this media, and so she places OSA into a danger condition, which would be deemed an endangerment of Scientology--a suppressive act. I respect SM in many ways, but I do not understand why someone who so passionately defends Scientology would at the same time engage in acts that would be deemed an endangerment to Scientology.


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I started watching that video today--at least I think it was the same one--but I couldn't finish watching it because it was so ridiculous.
While I was attempting to watch, it crossed my mind that it would make a good thread, so it was funny to find this thread already going on just a few minutes after shutting that window.

One thing I noticed, before I became too nauseated to continue watching, was that the church mentioned that LRH attended George Washington University. They tried to make it sound like he jumped right in & started researching his butt off & making great discoveries using all of the new mathematical tools at his disposal, yet they failed to brag about his report card.
Perhaps I cut it off too soon, but I didn't see the photograph of LRH in his cap & gown graduating at the top of his class.
I mean, surely he did graduate with honors because he was a relentless researching machine with an insatiable thirst for knowledge, who would leave no scientific stone unturned to get to the absolute, irrefutable truth, right?...right?...


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Suzanne Marie - Are you justifying bigamy and CoS' crimes against your government?


I don't give a damn about bigamy or polygamy that results from accidental failure to file the necessary paperwork to end a marriage. The only people who have any right to be upset about polygamous marriages are persons who were deceived and defrauded by sweetheart scammers, or people who were forced into unwanted or underage wedlock, which doesn't really have anything to do with the described bigamy.

In actual fact, I don't give a damn about bigamy or polygamy or polyandry or cousin marriage, period. All of these are forms of marriage practiced by other cultures. As long as no effort was made to deceive, it's no business of mine.



Being the OT super being he was............he should have "made it go right" and got that paperwork filed.
I do not consider that CoS has committed serious crimes against the government. Copying documents related to government plans to destroy CoS is only tangentially criminal, since what the government was doing was far worse than the CoS response. Was the charge 'conspiracy to steal copy paper' or something?


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The only accurate statement here and I'm using "accurate" instead of "honest" is that yes, Hubbard did attend GWU, but you won't see a picture of him in a cap and gown because he didn't graduate. His worst and failing grades were in physics and other science courses necessary to attain a degree in nuclear physics. That didn't stop him from lying about it as he did everything else and promoting himself as a physicist at the very top of the field.


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The Cult of Scientology has worked very hard over the years deciding just who L. Ron Hubbard was. The Cult hired the esteemed professional writer and researcher Omar Garrison in the 1970's to do the official LRH bio. Garrison was given full access to the LRH archives and a young assistant named Gerry Armstrong. When Garrison realized that CoS' bio of LRH was largely a sham, he eventually took a payoff from the Cult and turned over his LRH bio in exchange. The Garrison LRH bio remains secret to this day, probably locked in David Miscavige's safe. Garrison was later interviewed on 60 Minutes by Mike Wallace. In that interview, Omar Garrison was unsparing in his description about how Hubbard's biography was largely a fraud. Omar Garrison would later file an affidavit on behalf of Gerry Armstrong regarding the LRH bio project:

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/l ... 04-18.html

Gerry did a YT video on his relationship with Omar Garrison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tckAEdZ6nBI

Garrison later wrote a book entitled, The Secrets of Scientology.


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Gerry Armstrong worked on LRH's biography after Garrison left the project. Armstrong would later call LRH's bio "utter bullshit" in his YT video (op cit). When it became clear to Scientlogy insiders that LRH had never offered his own "church" an honest biography, his followers were duty bound to somehow make Hubbard's bio work -- even it meant paying Omar Garrison over $1000,000 to not publish the LRH bio he had written. Armstrong credits Garrison with helping him to get out of Scientology.

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In order to make LRH's "utter bullshit" bio stick, David Miscavige re-issued the PE hand-out of 14 April 1961 in 1991. Caroline has posted this irrefutable document on this thread and at her website:

http://www.carolineletkeman.org/sp/imag ... andout.pdf

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Because even the Cult Scientology doesn't quite understand its Founder, it has to keep changing its story on who he is. Here is a Scientology comparison I have from my webpage archives:

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Obviously, the Cult has had to purge LRH's major lies and yet try to figure out legitimate ways to make Hubbard appear to be an utterly unique human. To this very day, Scientology still boasts of Hubbard's accomplishments in growing giant tomato plants. The Cult still claims that these experiments are somehow historical, singular, genius, and relevant. I just don't get it:

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Among Scientology's weakest points are the many documented lies in LRH's biography. The Cult has tried to explain or excuse these many lies. However, all of the Cult's efforts have failed. Thus, the Cult has had to simply purge LRHs' lies and move on in hopes that the public will not notice. This is pure denial on Scientology's part given the internet.

Hubbard's biographical lies have been among the key reasons that the Cult of Scientology has been repudiated by Western Culture and impeached of its "religious" status by the public at large. Hubbard's lies have allowed a great deal of humor to emerge at Scientology's expense.

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I have a 1935 magazine piece that LRH wrote about himself. At some point, Scientology was publishing a lot of old pre-Scientology LRH stuff on its websites. What Hubbard wrote about himself in this 1935 piece utterly contradicts what he later said about his time spent in Asia.

This piece is long and so I have posted it in three sections:

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