List Of Former Members Who Have Spoken Out

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Post by Sponge » Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:10 am

Mewba wrote:The list would be much longer in reality. I am an ex-co$ and have protested outside of co$ buildings but I still would not feel safe putting my name on the list. There are probably thousands of people that feel the same way.
and that's perfectly fine.

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Post by 4truth2 » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:49 pm

Although not specifically on topic, Wieber posed an interesting question on this thread last week that no one thus far has picked up on:
How is it that a person who has had "case gain" can be a "suppressive person?"
This is a good example of the many arbitraries embedded in Scientology, especially in the Miscavige era where a record number of people, including the top Hubbard-trained FLAG auditors and Sea Org personnel have been RPF’d or declared and expelled. And since DM altered much of Hubbard’s tech, even “case gain” itself has become arbitrary. How indeed can OTVII’s and VIII’s possibly be suppressive persons?

I recall something to the effect while listening to Hubbard bloviate on the PTS/SP lectures that an SP is a “bad boy” who is stuck on the whole track lashing out against Martians and FBI agents and is a fixed condition from life time to life time. In other words, an SP will ALWAYS be an SP.

However, when someone is declared (or at least according to Hubbard policy), one can get back into Scientology’s good graces by doing steps A to E, petition to the International Justice Chief, do amends, work back up to the higher ethics conditions (plus donate LOTS of money and say something nasty about psychiatry), and VIOLA, you’re a good guy again!

Most SP declares seemed to hinge upon someone simply questioning Hubbard/Scientology or the true nature of the con, and for years most avoided this simply out of fear for being sent to the RPF if a Sea Org member, or going through endless ethics cycles and Sec Checks if a staff member or public terminal. And under Miscavige, SP declares have become increasingly arbitrary (didn’t he once have a dog that he claimed could “sniff out overts?) and is based more on whim and less on policy.

And even Hubbard policy is somewhat arbitrary since one can be in good standing with the “church” at one moment, be declared for a minor offense the next, jump through the ethics hoops to be in good standing the next, and be declared again for simply not having any more money to donate.

The condition of being a suppressive has never been the completely fixed condition Hubbard once stated it to be; it can change back and forth based on the amount of time and money one has available or one commits an act (like thinking!) that they deem unacceptable. Hypothetically, ones status can change numerous times, depending on how much money someone wishes to keep donating or whether a person cognites to the actual evil nature of Scientology itself and decides to leave for good.
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Post by Dorothy » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:35 pm

Another trend in the declaring of people these days seems to be "you're an SP and you're declared, and the secret document stating so exists and has been shown to all your friends and family, but you cannot see it, nor are you allowed to have a copy of it." I'm glad that some of the names on the list have a direct link to their SP declare- so anyone can easily see what one looks like. I think there will be less and less of these docs showing up in the future.

They must be tired of the physical evidence of their practices (such as declaring people) winding up on the Internet. Keeping their docs out of the public domain allows them to deny it ever happened. But then, they go and hand dosiers compiled from people's confessionals over to the media? Go figure.

BOT- I think the list is coming along great. I've already gotten some good info off of it. Now more exes can hook up with each other easier and organize if they want to. Media can contact people, as you say, sponge. There's a central place one can go for stories and documented evidence. The methods of correcting its errors had already been set up by its creator, contrary to rumors generated by scientology's trolls who are stating that "the list is invalid" (RR) and implying that it'll never be accurate or corrected (SM).

Scino-Corp must be going absolutely mad over it! So of course the crazies are coming out of the woodwork to discredit it. They will try all sorts of tactics, they will gnash at the beauty of its simplicity and try and obfuscate and complicate it with lots of analysis and minutia that has nothing at all to do with its purpose.

And yes the people whose names are on the list, or who agree to have their names added, are brave people in my opinion. My personal thanks to all of them, and to the guys doing the project.
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Post by Wieber » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:10 pm

Dorothy wrote:Scino-Corp must be going absolutely mad over it! So of course the crazies are coming out of the woodwork to discredit it. They will try all sorts of tactics, they will gnash at the beauty of its simplicity and try and obfuscate and complicate it with lots of analysis and minutia that has nothing at all to do with its purpose.
Aha! Now there's hitting a nail on the head! The amount of flak the list is getting is indicative of its value as perceived threat to the people in scientology who are in the office of special affairs (OSA) and their managerial seniors.

For those of you involved in that organizational morass, this is one instance where the best thing that you could have done would have been nothing. But someone needed a "statistic." So now you have a list that is damaging to scientology's public relations and that will continue to be damaging and that will increase in its damaging effects and because of your efforts against it everyone involved with its creation knows that it is a very effective tool. You have to ask yourself, are you proud of that little line that goes up and to the right about a quarter of an inch?
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Post by Ball of Fluff » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:29 am

Sponge wrote:
Ball of Fluff wrote:
Tigger wrote:Someone on a.r.s. (a Scientologist of course) is pointing out that the list is not credible
and the title is not accurate because the list contains some who are not ex-Scientologists.

He does have a point. So should those ex-Co$ who still claim to be Scientologists
be removed or should the title be changed to
include both ex-SCN and ex-COS?

Is there an e-mail addy available for questions, corrections, additions and/or deletions?

Tigger
I think they certainly could do that but in the long run it probably doesn't matter. Although it's my understanding that anyone can register and edit the list. In fact, DOF from ESMB has said he's already done so.
On the wwp wiki you can register and edit. The OP on the WWP thread indicated that it could be going back to the WWP forum for editing if it didn't work out on the wiki (presumably the wiki then being locked due to scientologists and trolls etc. messing it up).
Ah! Thank you for the information.

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Post by Sponge » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:44 pm

OP updated 12 nov 09
771 Names now on the list.
viewtopic.php?p=363095#363095

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Post by Sponge » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:54 am

OK the list is now at 889 names, fast approaching the magic 900 number.
Latest here: http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex ... spoken_out
If you are an ex-scientologist reading this and not on the list but have spoken out publicaly about scientology then let us know and you could be the number 900. There are no prizes for being the 900th except for the fact that someone trying to escape, or who has a family member trapped in the cult, then your story could be the one they read which frees another human being from the abuses and fraud of the cult of scientology.

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Post by J. Swift » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:59 pm

I don't see SuzanneMarie's name on the list. She is a Scientologist who has spoken out against the Cult.

Suzie: Care to add your name?
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Post by Sponge » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:47 pm

Sponge wrote:OK the list is now at 889 names, fast approaching the magic 900 number.
Latest here: http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex ... spoken_out
If you are an ex-scientologist reading this and not on the list but have spoken out publicaly about scientology then let us know and you could be the number 900. There are no prizes for being the 900th except for the fact that someone trying to escape, or who has a family member trapped in the cult, then your story could be the one they read which frees another human being from the abuses and fraud of the cult of scientology.
Target exceed. Now at 911 names.
New target: The big 1,000

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Post by Sponge » Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:18 pm

NOTE: the lastest update March 2010 has 963 names. I haven't updated the listings in the OP so go to the WIKI page for the latest details:
http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex ... spoken_out

Today, that list has been published in full on Mondoraro.org (Italian magazine site published in the UK) in relation to the cult lawsuit against Maria Pia Gardini.
See: viewtopic.php?t=32322

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Post by brownjedi » Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:57 pm

This is much more than the "handful of ex-members" that TD speaks about...this list is even more impressive when you consider the number of silent dissenters who have left and are quietyly protesting now.

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Post by Sponge » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:34 pm

Update:
1021

PRESS RELEASE:
viewtopic.php?t=32396

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Post by Sponge » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:55 pm

New, short, easy-to-remeber, alternative link to the list of 1000+ ex-scientologists who have spoken out...
http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List

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Post by Sponge » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:01 am

I haven't bumped this thread in a while.

Now 1159 names on the list of ex-scientologists who have spoken out

WWP Wiki: http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex ... spoken_out
New, short, easy-to-remeber, alternative link to the list of 1000+ ex-scientologists who have spoken out...
http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List

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Post by J. Swift » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:48 am

Sponge, this is an amazing project and list. If certain events come to pass, it is quite possible that a major celebrity may soon be declared an SP, assuming this person does not resign first or is otherwise silenced. Stay tuned!
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