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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Hubbard & Philosophy: for Caroline Reply with quote

Caroline,

Thanks for your past help on this subject! I could not have written this 'cross-post from ESMB without your input.

fisherman

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LRH's Reading Habits and Sources:

Did anyone see LRH spend hours with a book? Find Marcus Aurelius in the bathroom? Shakespeare on the night-table? I can't find any references to LRH's reading habits in 'expose's' like "Madman or Messiah".

It doesn't appear LRH was the avid reader he claimed to be. Based on his personal history and his writing, it's more likely that he 'cobbled' together the culturally fashionable ideas of his time.

According to Sara Hubbard, LRH was impatient with scholarship and not a successful student:

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"He flunked pretty badly in those courses. He was too erratic. He was too neurotic to sit down and study. He never went into anything in any depth. He would just pick up the jargon. He was a dilletante." Blue Sky p290


Hubbard claimed to have a profound education in philosophy, but that's not likely. Will Durant's "Story of Philosophy" is probably the 'source' of LRH's 'education' in philosophic subjects. LRH's references to philosophy include only those 'thinkers' outlined in Durant's book and his indictments of philosophers never fall on anyone not included in Durant's work.

Most significantly, LRH makes no references to original philosophic texts. At least, I can't find any. Given Hubbard's flamboyant ego, it's hard to imagine him mastering original texts like Plato's "Phaedrus" and NOT referencing it directly.

This suggests that LRH was reading what everyone else was reading in his day. Durant's "Story of Philosophy" was a national bestseller from 1926 on! In the heady days of the 'roaring twenties' it was "hip" to be an "intellectual". 'Up and coming' men like LRH got their intellectual 'street cred' from H.L. Mencken's elitist commentary in "The Smart Set" magazine, F. Scott Fitzgerald stories, and...Will Durant! In fact, LRH dedicated "Dianetics" to...Will Durant!

However, LRH does not cite Durant's "Story of Philosophy" with much accuracy. In his 1950 lecture, "Science of Knowledge" LRH says:

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Nobody ever bothered to point out to Kant that he too was human, so what he was writing about was obviously way beyond the bounds of his own experience—so of course he couldn’t know anything about it. This reductio ad absurdum of his own argumentation—if somebody had had brains or nerve enough to have done it 162 years ago—would not have left the whole subject of epistemology rotten for 162 years.

Actually the reason Dianetics has suddenly come into this society depends on that pivot point. It is the fact that 162 years ago Hume, Locke and Kant decided that they were going to delineate the basic laws of all philosophy and particularly epistemology. And when they got through, it was so resounding, and everybody was so frightened, that nobody thought for 162 years in this field.


Hubbard's two paragraphs are incorrect and very mis-leading.

Immanuel Kant never 'teamed up' with Hume and Locke attempting "to delineate the basic laws of philosophy" -- not even metaphorically. I'm pretty certain no one was ever "frightened" by these three philosophers.

Kant was born to a family of strict Pietists (Calvinism) and his father was a minister. Kant was a "sheltered academic" who sought to displace theology by grounding moral principles in pure reason. David Hume and John Locke were 'empiricists' distrustful of Kant's "metaphysical" approaches.

In "Science of Knowledge" LRH goes on to say:

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Therefore we have 162 years of accumulated data which has never been sorted out. You pick up 162 years of accumulated data, integrate it and give it a good solid testing, and you can’t help but come up with something that will practically shake the society, because you have 162 years of backlog of smart people. Yet not one of them had ever thrown away formalized epistemology. They were still in the state of mind of “the laws have all been drawn up on this so we’re not going to touch it anymore.”


This is so far 'off the mark' it's startling!

Philosophy had a profound impact in the 162 years comprising the 19th and early 20th century. Radical changes in political structures, social organization, concepts of democracy, materialism, individual rights, jurisprudence, etc. were fostered by such thinkers as: Jeremy Bentham, James Mill, J. S. Mill, Arthur Schopenhaur, S. Kierkegard, Frederiech Nietzsche, Auguste Comte, William James, Ludwig Wittgenstein, E. Durkheim, F. H. Bradley...

In those years, Bentham and J.S. Mill's 'normative ethics' had gigantic influence on the laws and institutions of England and America.
Bentham's "Utilitarianism" coined the phrase "greatest good for the greatest number". How could LRH condemn the 'source' of "greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics?" The phrase, which Hubbard so obviously 'borrowed, is commonly used in textbooks, like Durant's, to describe the fundamentals of "Utilitarianism".

Karl Marx and Charles Darwin also lived during those "162 years". It's hard to picture these thinkers, as LRH describes:

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"still [stuck] in the state of mind of 'the laws have all been drawn up on this so we’re not going to touch it anymore"


Is this an apt description of such radical thinkers as Darwin, Marx, Engels and Trotsky ?? NO!

But, according to LRH, the failed notions of these "162 years" became "a pivot point" and the "...reason Dianetics has suddenly come into this society..." In "Science of Knowledge" LRH staunchly proclaims:

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"if somebody had had brains or nerve enough to have done it 162 years ago—[they] would not have left the whole subject of epistemology rotten for 162 years."


Presumably, philosophic 'epistemology' needed LRH, DM and TC to push Karl Marx aside and "clean this place up"!

I tracked down quite a few of LRH's references to 'philosophy' and none that I found were accurate. What LRH really does is use philosophy to 'name-drop'. He names a 'famous thinker' and then fabricates a convincing rhetoric to enlarge his point. LRH does this so consistently, it's probable that he had very little knowledge of philosophy. I suspect LRH had a vivid imagination, but was not well read in philosophy.

Frankly, given LRH's active life, scholastic record and penchant for 'mind altering' chemistry, I doubt he read much of anything in depth.

Caroline Lettke wrote that she felt LRH basically 'cobbled up' whatever ideas he found and I'm inclined to agree.

fisherman


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Will Durant was a brilliant popularizer who followed the "great man" theory of history - that one tremendous man (and rare woman) after another "creates" history. He wrote books with wit and clarity, as easy to read as a novel. Made confident by enormous research and intelligence, Durant spoke as the final word on a topic. Will and Ariel Durant's The Story of Civilization was an eleven-volume beefy set of books, starting with Our Oriental Heritage, that was heavily promoted by the Book of the Month club and appeared on many, many bookshelves in the mid-20th Century. Reading even one of them could give a non-college-educated person like Hubbard a veneer of ideas and facts on Buddha, Socrates, Mohammed, etc. that would impress the typical American who had forgotten his high school history.

Today this theory has to compete with others - for example Barbara Tuchman dug deep into letters and archives to find the voices of the times, and found middle-level people deeply influenced events (e.g. The Zimmerman Telegram. To her, history LIVES in the archives. James Burke, in Connections and The Day the Universe Changed promoted another historical theory - that seemingly minor inventions and obscure, often inelegant thinkers made connections that change the world. Radical leftists see history as the struggle of the oppressed. Larry Gonick, author of Cartoon History of the World, presents historic figures as comical blunderers, opportunists and only occasionally heroes. Typical scene - after Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain expelled the Jews and grabbed their assets, Isabella said to Columbus,
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You've got funding!
The latest type of historian thinks natural disasters like super-volcanoes caused crop failures that led to Hun and Goth invasions and the fall of the Roman Empire. And finally, many historians today don't say "X happened exactly this way." They acknowledge that there may be several contradictory versions of the event, and are especially suspicious now of history written by the conquerors. Terry Jones, of Monty Python, wrote and narrated the series Terry Jones' Barbarians and gave us an insight that the non-Greeks and the non-Romans had many admirable qualities.

I think Hubbard suffered from narcissistic personality disorder. That would make him especially enchanted by Will Durant's romantic, celebrity-obsessed, tidily packaged history. Hubbard even acknowledged Durant in his early books. Hubbard dreamed of himself as another earth-shaking history-maker. But Durant, a skeptic, respecter of other cultures, and scholar, would have been appalled that Hubbard twisted Durant's charming portrait of Buddha into the bloated, bizarre, and dumb "Hymn of Asia."
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Carlo,

Thanks for your excellent post! That's the best brief exposition on historical method I have ever read! Really well done!

I agree with everything you wrote, although I tend to think of "great man" history as more a 'narrative style' than an articulated "theory". Back when us 'cave men' gathered by the fire, after a dinner of roast 'wildebeast', we poured a snort of 'dingleberry claret' and told tales about the heroes of the tribe. Eventually, Herodotus, Livy and Plutarch started writing it all down and we said, "Who's going to publish that?" Smile

You're right about the many approaches to history today. I've read works that encompass voices at every level of society while managing to relate philosophic backgrounds, politics, and anthropological details, as well. It's brilliant when done well!

I certainly share your admiration for Will and Ariel Durant. Both were tremendous scholars and superb narrative writers. When I was growing up, "The Story of Civilization" was on the shelves of many of our neighbors.

I recall 'the tenor of that time' as striving for systemization and convenience. We had 'Reader's Digest Condensed Books', 'concentrated orange juice', 'instant coffee', 'Book of the Month', 'Longines Symphonette Society', 'tract housing' 'dixie cups', TV dinners'...

Religion and Self Help in condensed versions were equally popular, Billy Graham on TV, Dr. Norman Vincent Peale's "Power of Positive Thinking", Napoleon Hill, Earle Nightingale, Dale Carnegie's "How To Win Friends and Influence People"...

"Dianetics" is a product of that 'climate of the time', 'do it yourself' psychology in one easy volume. While LRH's output grew to massive proportion, each work seems to carry the same promise, 'enlightenment' in a few easy steps.

Of course, Americans, bustling along and striving for 'the next horizon' have always had a penchant for practical answers and convenient solutions. Alexis de Tocqueville, the French historian, noted this in 1835. It's no surprise that America's first 'self help' book was written in 1839, by Samuel Smiles and titled -- "Self Help". That native enthusiam for 'packaged solutions' may have reached its zenith in the 'post-war' America.

LRH was both a creation of and a contributor to that 'zeitgeist'. It's logical and not surprising that he would turn to Will and Ariel Durant's works as 'source material'. On that score, I think your comment about LRH turning to the Durant's "The Story of Civilization" is 'right on the money'

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Reading even one of them could give a non-college-educated person like Hubbard a veneer of ideas and facts on Buddha, Socrates, Mohammed, etc. that would impress the typical American who had forgotten his high school history.


Durant, a superb scholar, would be the first to caution us that the unavoidable failing of any 'condensed work', is that it leaves out quite a lot. 'Concentrated Orange Juice' just isn't 'the real thing'. LRH built an abridged religion using abridged sources. That's akin to building a weak foundation on a weak foundation. Your 'take' on LRH's motive is a superb 'character sketch':

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I think Hubbard suffered from narcissistic personality disorder. That would make him especially enchanted by Will Durant's romantic, celebrity-obsessed, tidily packaged history. Hubbard even acknowledged Durant in his early books. Hubbard dreamed of himself as another earth-shaking history-maker. But Durant, a skeptic, respecter of other cultures, and scholar, would have been appalled that Hubbard twisted Durant's charming portrait of Buddha into the bloated, bizarre, and dumb "Hymn of Asia."


As a 'money making scheme' LRH's 'instant enlightenment' worked rather well. As a 'literature', 'philosophy', 'religion', well...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hubbard & Philosophy: for Caroline Reply with quote

fisherman wrote:
Caroline,

Thanks for your past help on this subject! I could not have written this 'cross-post from ESMB without your input.


Well you’ve also helped me, including getting me to consider the philosophies of the philosophers Hubbard credits and criticizes, if only for now the Wikipedia level, which was about what he must have used.

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http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14012


Thanks. An equally informative discussion in response to your post there.

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LRH's Reading Habits and Sources:

Did anyone see LRH spend hours with a book? Find 'Marcus Aurelius' in the bathroom? Shakespeare on the night-table? I can't find any references to LRH's reading habits in 'expose's' like "Madman or Messiah".

It doesn't seem LRH was the avid reader he claimed to be. Based on his personal history and his writing, it's more likely that he 'cobbled' together the culturally fashionable ideas of his time.


This recent comment from Marty R on Hubbard’s library in a thread "Scilonhunter vs Malcolm X and Scientology" on his blog caught my eye.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/scilonhunter-vs-malcolm-x-and-scientology/ wrote:
If Scilonhunter knew anything about history he would know that Malcolm probably studied more history than most of his modern contemporaries. Hubbard probably studied even more than that. His personal library was several hundred square feet full of fifteen foot high book shelves, filled with books that were obviously handled and read. Even uneducated I have read somewhere on the order of a couple hundred books on history in the past four years. Yet, Scilonhunter would have you all believe we all stand for erasing history.


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According to Sara Hubbard, LRH was impatient with scholarship and not a successful student:

Quote:
"He flunked pretty badly in those courses. He was too erratic. He was too neurotic to sit down and study. He never went into anything in any depth. He would just pick up the jargon. He was a dilletante." Blue Sky p290

Will Durant's "Story of Philosophy" seems the likely 'source' of LRH's 'education' in philosophy. LRH's references to philosophy only include 'thinkers' outlined in Durant's work. LRH's indictments of philosophers never appear to fall on anyone not included in Durant's book. And, LRH makes no references to any original philosophic texts. At least, I can't find any.


He does cite to The Prince, I believe, and, so his story goes, wrote the book or treatise, which Machiavelli stole. By the way, for even better hoots, see this: http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/pastlife.htm

I suppose the Dhammapada could be considered an original philosophic text, and of course Hubbard wrote that too. Smile

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I tracked down quite a few of LRH's references to 'philosophy' and none that I found were accurate. LRH appears to use philosophy to 'name-drop'. He names a 'famous thinker' and then fabricates a convincing rhetoric to enlarge his point. LRH does this so consistently, it seems probable that he had very little knowledge of philosophy. I suspect LRH had a vivid imagination, but was not very well read.


Here’s an excerpt from a very important (to Scientologists) HCOB and HCOPL 12 July 1980R "The Basics of Ethics." Hubbard names four famous Greeks thinkers, plus failing philosopher after philosopher ever since, to make his point that Scientology possesses the only workable solution, the only workable ethics technology, the basic technology of ethics, and a veritable turning point in the history of philosophy.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 12 JULY 1980R
REVISED 5 NOVEMBER 1982

Remimeo
All HCOs
Tech Sec (Also issued as HCO PL
Ds of Ts same date, same title)
Supervisors
Ethics Officers
Cramming Officers
Students
All Staff
All Hats

THE BASICS OF ETHICS

Refs:
Dianetic Auditor’s Bulletin PREVENTIVE DIANETICS Vol I, No. 12, June 51 (Section on Morals and Ethics)
PAB 40, 26 Nov. 54 THE CODE OF HONOR
Book: Science of Survival Chapter 21, “Ethic Level”
HCO PL 9 July 80 ETHICS, JUSTICE AND THE DYNAMICS
Ethics and Justice Pack in The Volunteer Minister’s Handbook
HCO PL 1 Sept. 65 VII ETHICS PROTECTION
HCO PL 29 Apr. 65 III ETHICS—REVIEW
HCOB 27 May 60 II DEAR SCIENTOLOGIST
HCO PL 12 Apr. 65 JUSTICE
HCO PL 11 May 65 ETHICS OFFICER HAT
HCO PL 6 Mar. 66 REWARDS AND PENALTIES,
HOW TO HANDLE PERSONNEL AND ETHICS MATTERS
HCO PL 29 Dec. 66 HISTORICAL PRECEDENCE OF ETHICS
HCO PL 18 June 68 ETHICS
HCO PL 4 Oct. 68 ETHICS PRESENCE Rev. 10.7.80
HCO PL 7 Dec. 69 ETHICS, THE DESIGN OF
HCO PL 7 Dec. 69II THE ETHICS OFFICER, HIS CHARACTER
HCO PL 24 Feb. 69 JUSTICE
HCO PL 7 Sept. 63 COMMITTEES OF EVIDENCE SCIENTOLOGY JURISPRUDENCE, ADMINISTRATION OF
HCO PL 17 Mar. 65III ADMINISTERING JUSTICE
HCO PL 24 Feb. 72 INJUSTICE

Throughout the ages, man has struggled with the subjects of right and wrong and ethics and justice.

The dictionary defines ethics as “the study of the general nature of morals and of the specific moral choices to be made by the individual in his relationship with others.”

The same dictionary defines justice as “conformity to moral right, or to reason, truth or fact,” or “the administration of law.”

As you can see, these terms have become confused.

All philosophies from time immemorial have involved themselves with these subjects. And they never solved them.

That they have been solved in Dianetics and Scientology is a breakthrough of magnitude. The solution lay, first, in their separation. From there it could go forward to a workable technology for each.

ETHICS consists simply of the actions an individual takes on himself. It is a personal thing. When one is ethical or “has his ethics in,” it is by his own determinism and is done by himself.

JUSTICE is the action taken on the individual by the group when he fails to take these actions himself.

HISTORY

These subjects are, actually, the basis of all philosophy. But in any study of the history of philosophy it is plain that they have puzzled philosophers for a long tlme.

The early Greek followers of Pythagoras (Greek philosopher of the sixth century B.C.) tried to apply their mathematical theories to the subject of human conduct and ethics. Some time later, Socrates (Greek philosopher and teacher, 427?-347 B.C.) tackled the subject. He demonstrated that all those who were claiming to show people how to live were unable to defend their views or even define the terms they were using. He argued that we must know what courage, and justice, law and government are before we can be brave or good citizens or just or good rulers. This was fine, but he then refused to provide definitions. He said that all sin was ignorance but did not take the necessary actions to rid man of his ignorance.

Socrates’ pupil, Plato (Greek philosopher, 427?-347 B.C.) adhered to his master’s theories but insisted that these definitions could only be defined by pure reason. This meant that one had to isolate oneself from life in some ivory tower and figure it all out—not very useful to the man in the street.

Aristotle (Greek philosopher, 384-322 B.C.) also got involved with ethics. He explained unethical behavior by saying-that man’s rationality became overruled by his desire.

This chain continued down the ages. Philosopher after philosopher tried to resolve the subjects of ethics and justice.

Unfortunately, until now, there has been no workable solution, as evidenced by the declining ethical level of society.

So you see it is no small breakthrough that has been made in this subject in the last 30 years or so. We have defined the terms, which Socrates omitted to do, and we have a workable technology that anyone can use to help get himself out of the mud. The natural laws behind this subject have been found and made available for all to use.

[...]

BREAKTHROUGH

The breakthrough in Scientology is that we do have the basic technology of ethics. For the first time man can learn how to put his own ethics in and climb back up the chute.

This is a brand-new discovery; before Scientology it had never before seen the light of day, anywhere. It marks a turning point in the history of philosophy. The individual can learn this technology, learn to apply it to his life and can then put his own ethics in, change conditions and start heading upwards toward survival under his own steam.

I hope you will learn to use this technology very well for your own sake, for the sake of those around you and for the sake of the future of this culture as a whole.

L. RON HUBBARD
Founder

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caroline,

Thanks for your kind words and as always, your 'clipping service' Smile

LRH's "BASICS OF ETHICS" illustrates my point exactly! The first two paragraphs are the kind of thing a high school student might cull from Will Durant's introduction to to 'the Greeks'. From the third paragraph on (aside from the dates) Hubbard is 'winging it'. The generalities he writes could apply to ANY philosopher who ever lived. Hubbard's words are logically framed, but they don't say anything specific about Greek Philosophy. I'm sorry, but this isn't even 'C' grade work at a high school level.

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These subjects are, actually, the basis of all philosophy. But in any study of the history of philosophy it is plain that they have puzzled philosophers for a long tlme.

The early Greek followers of Pythagoras (Greek philosopher of the sixth century B.C.) tried to apply their mathematical theories to the subject of human conduct and ethics. Some time later, Socrates (Greek philosopher and teacher, 427?-347 B.C.) tackled the subject. He demonstrated that all those who were claiming to show people how to live were unable to defend their views or even define the terms they were using. He argued that we must know what courage, and justice, law and government are before we can be brave or good citizens or just or good rulers. This was fine, but he then refused to provide definitions. He said that all sin was ignorance but did not take the necessary actions to rid man of his ignorance.

Socrates’ pupil, Plato (Greek philosopher, 427?-347 B.C.) adhered to his master’s theories but insisted that these definitions could only be defined by pure reason. This meant that one had to isolate oneself from life in some ivory tower and figure it all out—not very useful to the man in the street.

Aristotle (Greek philosopher, 384-322 B.C.) also got involved with ethics. He explained unethical behavior by saying-that man’s rationality became overruled by his desire.

This chain continued down the ages. Philosopher after philosopher tried to resolve the subjects of ethics and justice.

Unfortunately, until now, there has been no workable solution, as evidenced by the declining ethical level of society...


M Rathbun wrote:

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...Hubbard probably studied even more than that. His personal library was several hundred square feet full of fifteen foot high book shelves, filled with books that were obviously handled and read.


I don't 'buy' this inference from M. Rathbun AT ALL! If we're going to evaluate scholarship by 'square footage' -- my library of "obviously handled" books is larger than LRH's Cool

Scholars with an enthusiasm for learning typically seek out 'new twists and interpretations' in original materials to incorporate in their own writing. LRH doesn't do that. In LRH's work, I can't find anything beyond a smattering of generalities that really do smack of being 'lifted' from abridged materials like Will Durant's "Story of Philosophy".

Caroline wrote:

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He does cite to The Prince, I believe, and, so his story goes, wrote the book or treatise, which Machiavelli stole.


Hubbard certainly practiced Machiavelli's tenets with energy and grim success! Since "The Prince" is a very short book, I might believe LRH read it.

Did Hubbard write "The Prince" in a 'past life' ? I don't know. Did Hubbard ever write a SHORT book? Smile

Machiavelli's magnificent gift for prose writing outpaces LRH's craft by a long distance. But then, maybe Machiavelli stole Hubbard's 10 volume "Prince" and edited it down to 86 pages Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add info about the LRH personal library and what books Hubbard might have read:

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It was sort of an exciting time for me as I was studying at LRH's very own home, just as he had left it. I remember going into his study and admiring all the books on his library shelves. I remember seeing some that really stunned me at first. They were on Witchcraft, and one called "The CIA Mind Control Manual." I very, very, cautiously asked some authority figure why would LRH read these kinds of books? Well his answer was that LRH had to know what the enemy was up to and he had to become familiar with their tactics. Of course I believed it and thought, how clever LRH was.


from Gary Weber's account,
Memoir's of an Ex-Guardian:
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BTs2Free wrote:
Just to add info about the LRH personal library and what books Hubbard might have read:

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It was sort of an exciting time for me as I was studying at LRH's very own home, just as he had left it. I remember going into his study and admiring all the books on his library shelves. I remember seeing some that really stunned me at first. They were on Witchcraft, and one called "The CIA Mind Control Manual." I very, very, cautiously asked some authority figure why would LRH read these kinds of books? Well his answer was that LRH had to know what the enemy was up to and he had to become familiar with their tactics. Of course I believed it and thought, how clever LRH was.


from Gary Weber's account,
Memoir's of an Ex-Guardian:
http://www.lermanet.com/garyweber/


Thanks, BTs2Free. The authority figure's answer to Gary Weber's question mirrors Hubbard's philosophy of war, which very well may be his basic philosophy, that he was at war.

HCO PL 16 Feb 1969 Issue IV Targets, Defense by L. Ron Hubbard who wrote:
To analyze what the others intended, it is only necessary to review what Dianetics and Scientology intended to do and assume the reverse.

Experience has shown that defense is only effective when one sorties
or attacks.

When we did not give a lot of time and energy and funds to knocking out
real enemies we came close to losing the lot.

The errors we have made have been

1. Defending only.

2. Defending on Scn ground.

3. Being reasonable and assigning mild motives to the enemy.

4. Failing to attack early and hard.

5. Undervaluing the broad social value of Scn.

6. Individuating from other similar organizations.

7. Not learning enemy tactics and using and bettering them.

8. Failing to heavily contest for public opinion and public media.

9. Failing to identify the enemy early and hit him hard.

A. Our best defense is that we are sincere, that we are effective
and that we commit no crimes.

B. Our next best defense line was being sure the public knew
we were a Church.

C. Our next best was being quick and able and using very
fast comm lines.

We must not repeat the errors of 1 to 9.

And we must reinforce A, B and C. [...]


Source:http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/targets-defence.txt


And here's a helpful text version of the CIA's declassified KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation Manual.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTs2Free,

"EDIT" My mistake BT2Free, I thought you had visited LRH's library. Your post is an exciting clue, nontheless!

Your post offered some exciting clues! Personal libraries have long been the historian's richest source of information. ANYTHING we could discover about specific materials in Hubbard's library would be VERY interesting to learn!!!

From what you posted:

1. "The CIA Mind Control" makes sense for the obvious reason of practical application in scientology. But it's also the kind of book Hubbard might reference in writing novels. Fiction writers cull from all kinds of source materials that support their 'genre'. Books about spies, military technology, adventure stories, etc are the kind of thing one would EXPECT to find in Hubbard's library.

2. IMO witchcraft and the Occult are the ONLY subjects Hubbard writes about convincingly. I once wrote that the ONE author Hubbard read thoroughly seems to be Crowley. Every author "write's what he knows" and you can usually pinpoint the subject in the work. With Hubbard that subject is the Occult. I'd expect to see volumes on witchcraft in Hubbard's library.

3. Scientology organization draws heavily on Hubbard's Naval Officer training. It wouldn't be surprising to find military manuals in Hubbard's library. Did you see any?

4. Likewise, Hubbard uses a lot of 'management tech' from the period in which he lived. I wouldn't be surprised to see popular books on finance and business managment in Hubbard's collection. This might include 'personal development texts he could adapt to scientology -- i.e. Napoleon Hill, Dale Carnegie, etc. Did you see 'business books'?

Of course, Hubbard may have owned books and not read them. Many people buy books 'for show'. Still, what a library contains and DOESN'T contains, says a lot about the individual.

It's a wild guess, but I'd expect Hubbard's library to feature survey textbooks in certain subjects, reference guides, handbooks, manuals -- anything easy to access for incorporation into his story writing. Also books of personal interest, maybe navigation, photography, etc. What I'd expect NOT to find is poetry, theology, thick history books in narrow subject areas, classical fiction, plays, belles lettres, and political works.

If you have any more 'clues' they'd be fun to mull over!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another source, fisherman. Cool Hubbard really liked Twelve Against the Gods.

From Lecture 5 December 1952 Cycles of Action by L. Ron Hubbard who wrote:
The degree to which a person has to have is the degree to which he will survive. If he’s got to have everything all packaged up solid, he’s stopped and he’s dead, because although possession is an end goal, when attained, it ends the cycle of action.

There is never a great adventurer who did not end his career upon having discovered the sacred treasure of Peru. Bolitho, good old Bolitho, with his TWELVE AGAINST THE GODS - it’s a wonderful thing to read -- gorgeous! And the introduction of TWELVE AGAINST THE GODS is one of the best pieces of work I know of, even related to a lot of things, and
particularly to this subject.

You know, we can add this little line to it: we.. if a fellow,. if a fellow would act and act and act and then finally with his terrific ambition attain the treasure of Peru, and then he would turn around and look at all the people who had impeded him in getting it and he would simply take the bars of gold and the gems and make those people have them, he’s all set. And if he would walk away from his greatest triumph - and if a man ever could do this - walk away from his greatest triumph with his hands empty and his pocket empty and with maybe just the shirt on his back, he would live to triumph again and again and again and again. If he could do that.

You know, we live in the midst of a tremendous amount of propaganda - continuous MEST universe propaganda on which the vector is 180 degrees twisted, so that we are led to believe that so-and-so is the case. And then we take that on faith, and we don’t go out and look. We don’t see what is the end product, for instance, of finding the treasures of Peru.


(FFT there, for the 180° diametrically opposed people. Wink )

From Strange Angel: The Otherworldly Life of Rocket Scientist John Whiteside Parsons by George Pendel who wrote:
In recent meetings of the Agape Lodge, Parsons had read aloud from British author William Bolitho's book Twelve Against the Gods. It was a metaphor-laden treatise on the "adventurer," the person-such as Alexander the Great, Casanova, or the prophet Mohammed-who sets himself on an unalterable path to a grand destiny. " The adventurer is an individualist and an egoist, a truant from obligations. His road is solitary, there is no room for company on it. What he does, he does for himself...The adventurer is within us, and he contests for our favour with the social man we are obliged to be."

Parsons now embarked on an adventure that he hoped would allow him to enter the ranks of Bolitho's heroes. He planned a series of magical rituals -a magical working-more ambitious than any he had attempted before. He would later call it the defining work of his life.


From Pendel's account of this period, Hubbard was a resident at the Agape Lodge and had already seduced Parsons' girlfriend. In early 1946, the two men would partner in the Babalon Working. My feel is that Ron The Adventure-Writer and Adventurer introduced Parsons to Twelve Against the Gods, rather than the other way around.

Some time ago, Gerry and I took the heroes Bolitho wrote about to see what Hubbard said about them individually.

From Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Hubbard wrote:
Let us take a forceful manic who is displaying and functioning on 500 arbitrary units of life force. Let us assume that the entire being is possessed of 1000 arbitrary units of life force.

Suppose we have here an Alexander. The dynamics of the average person are unassisted by manics in most cases but are dispersed as a stream of electrons might be dispersed by a block before them. Here are scattered activity, scattered thoughts, uncomputable problems, lack of alignment. In such a person, with 1000 units present, 950 of those units could be so captured in the engram banks and yet so thoroughly counteractive that the person displays a functioning capacity of only 50 units. In the case of Alexander, it could be assumed, the manic must have been an alignment in a general direction of his own basic purposes. His basic purpose is a strong regulator: the manic happens to align with it: a person of great ability and personal prowess becomes possessed of 500 units via a manic engram, believes he is a god and goes out and conquers the known world. He was educated to believe he was a god, his manic engram said he was a god and had a holder in it.

Alexander conquered the world and died at 33. He could hold in his manic only so long as it could be obeyed: when it could no longer be obeyed, it changed his valence, became no more a manic and drove him, with pain, into dispersed activities. The engram, received from his mother, Olympia, can almost be read even at this late date. It must have said he would be a joyous god who would conquer all the world and must keep on conquering, that he must always strive to rise higher and higher. It was probably a ritual chant of some sort from his mother, who was a high priestess of Lesbos and who must have received some injury just before the ritual. She hated her husband, Phillip. A son who would conquer all was the answer. Alexander may well have had fifty or a hundred such “assist” engrams, the violent praying of a woman aberrated enough to murder. Thus he could be assumed to have conquered until he could no longer stretch a line of supply for conquering, at which time he, of course, would no longer be able to obey the engram and its force of pain would turn on him. The engrams dictated attack to conquer, and they enforced the command with pain: once conquering could not longer be accomplished, the pain attacked Alexander. He realized one day he was dying: within the week he was dead: and at the height of his power. Such, on a very large scale, is a manic phrase in an engram at work.

Now let us suppose that Alexander, with only education to turn him against his father, with only prayers to ask him to conquer the world, not engrams, had been cleared. Answer: given a sufficient and rational reason, he would most certainly have been able to conquer the world and at eighty might well have been alive to enjoy it.


From All About Radiation, Hubbard wrote:
Modern warfare is levied against the populations of other governments, on the theory that they will fall away from the controlling government and the controlling government will collapse and can then be changed.

Alexander the Great did this much more rapidly. Whenever he went up against an enemy ruler he took his Companion Cavalry, rode through the ranks, found the enemy ruler and cut him to pieces. This was his idea of tactics and strategy. He has been criticized as a strategist because he didn't meddle with populations. He simply went and annihilated the other government. He wasn't really against the government or the household of the ruler. He just killed the head of state and in the case of Darius even married his wife. He didn't worry much about the population. He merely took it over.

He was very direct. He took the person out of control of the government by killing him. Modern war philosophy is different. One hammers and pounds the population one way or another until it can no longer be controlled. They figure that the government then collapses. This is the basis on which modern war is fought.


From Fundamentals of Thought, Hubbard wrote:
Only in this way could one have a society, a civilization or, as we say in Scientology, a smoothly running game.

In other words, two extremes could be reached, neither one of which is desirable for the individual. The first extreme could be reached by emphasis only upon self-created data or information. This would bring about not only a lack of interpersonal relations, but also an anxiety to have an effect which would, as it does in barbaric peoples, result in social cruelty unimaginable in a civilized nation. The other extreme would be to forbid in its entirety any self-created information and to condone only data or considerations generated by others than self. Here we would create an individual with no responsibility, so easily handled that he would be only a puppet.

Self-created data is then not a bad thing, neither is education, but one without the other to hold it in some balance will bring about a no-game condition or a no-civilization. Just as individuals can be seen by observing nations, so we see the African tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on brutality and savagery for others but not himself, is a no-civilization. And we see at the other extreme China, slavishly dedicated to ancient scholars, incapable of generating within herself sufficient rulers to continue, without bloodshed, a nation.

We have noted the individual who must be the only one who can make a postulate or command, whose authority is dearer to him than the comfort or state of millions, and we have suffered from such men (Napoleon, Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm, Frederick of Prussia, Genghis Khan, Attila). We have known, too, the scholar who has studied himself into blindness and is the world’s greatest authority on government or some such thing, who yet cannot himself manage his bank account or a dog with any certainty. Here we have, in either case, a total imbalance. The world shaker is himself unwilling to be any effect of any kind (and all the men named here were arrant personal cowards) and we have the opposite, a man who would not know what you were talking about if you told him to get an idea of his own.


Hubbard identifies Napoleon among the stellar examples of "Suppressive Persons:"

From HCOB 27 September 1966 The Antisocial Personality The Anti-Scientologist, Hubbard wrote:
As they only comprise 20% of the population and as only 2˝% of this 20% are truly dangerous, we see that with a very small amount of effort we could considerably better the state of society.

Well-known, even stellar, examples of such a personality are, of course, Napoleon and Hitler, Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd, Christie and other famous criminals were well-known examples of the anti-social personality. But with such a cast of characters in history we neglect the less stellar examples and do not perceive that such personalities exist in current life, very common, often undetected.


From The Way To Happiness by L. Ron Hubbard who wrote:
In the unreal world of fiction and the motion pictures, one sees polite villains with unbelievably efficient gangs and lone heroes who are outright boors. Life really isn’t like that: real villains are usually pretty crude people and their henchman cruder; Napoleon and Hitler were betrayed right and left by their own people. Real heroes are the quietest talking fellows you ever met and they are very polite to their friends.


"Woodrow" (one of Bolitho's 12) yielded this from a Saint Hill Special Briefing Course lecture:

From Lecture 9 July 1964 Studying: Data Assimilation by L. Ron Hubbard who wrote:
The only other method of study that I ever developed for myself in school might be of some interest and that was just to get every book on the subject I could get hold of and read all of them and not try to concentrate on any of them, you see?

I think one of the most stellar grades I ever got and bragged about all over the place, and so forth, and called upon to give lectures on every hand, made me feel a little guilty. I was taking American history and I simply got hold of every textbook I could find on the subject of American history and read them all, including Woodrow Wilson’s five—volume history of the United States, you see? That’s one of those things that you put on a bookshelf to hold it down in case of an earthquake.

And I read all these textbooks, but I don’t think I ever told the professor that because I was allergic to its very, very bad prose, that I had never read that class’s textbook. I’d never read the class’s textbook. I’d read all the other textbooks I could lay my hands on, but I couldn’t stand its prose. Its prose was horrible, and I—it was sort of socialistically weirdly put together and it was pedantic in the extreme.


(Wilson's Fünfology) also apparently influenced Hubbard early on.)

Twelve Against the Gods was reviewed in 1929 in Time, making Hubbard's teenage knowledge of the book even a bit more certain. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,738283,00.html?iid=chix-sphere
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soderqvist1: I am reading William Bolitho’s book; ‘Twelve Against the Gods’!
I have read about Alexander the Great, Casanova, and I am now reading about Christopher Columbus and he seems to have a lot in common with L. Ron Hubbard, because Bolitho has said on page 71 that he has been called “a pathological liar”.

Introduction page 4: The first adventurer was a nuisance; he left the tribal barricade open to the risk of the community when he left to find out what made that noise in the night. I am sure he acted against his mother’s, his wife, and the council of old men’s strict orders, when he did it. But it was he that found where the mammoths die and where after a thousand years of use there was still enough ivory to equip the whole tribe with weapons. Such is the ultimate outline of the adventurer: Society’s benefactor as well as pest.

“Page 71: If it is pathological to tell lies in the only way they are convincing, that is, after swallowing them oneself, Columbus had the disease, and not only in this matter of his birth, and family. Page 76: Those who – under the influence of Christopher’s own lies and bluff to be sure – have made him out the solitary captain of his age, the great navigator standing in lonely advance of the science, imagination, and daring of his times have missed his real glory. It is that of all adventurers: to have been the tremendous outsider. Until his last voyage it is very doubtful if he could even use a Quadrant. He knew no more of navigation than any able-bodied seaman. He was incapable by himself of fixing the latitude and longitude of his discoveries. At the time of his first expedition he had no experience of commanding men, and he never learnt it. By his own policy he had cut himself off from any national advantage; if ever a man played a solo hand against the social universe it was Columbus. So his was the triumph of the Unqualified, the stigma of the adventurer that ordered Society hates the worst, the man who pushed his way in and did what others with the right were soberly, competently, conscientiously planning to do; the patron example of the crank and the amateur. In her dealings with him Fate snubbed all the worths, and competencies. Page 79: Christopher’s projected voyage was not without precedent, but nothing in the whole history of exploration resembled his price. Page 80: And Fate’s interest in him ceased to have the air of a fantastic joke. She is being pursued by a great man.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caroline,

Thank you for the new source! I can see what attracted Hubbard to this work. I'm going to research this book, It may prove revealing.

Peter,

Thanks for quoting those passages. You've whetted my appetite!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone who's done the Student Hat will recognize this basic HCOB and piece of "study tech." Hubbard's word example for application is "gargantuan," which every Scientologist learns very early in their religion. Just because Hubbard made a big deal about it, and Scientologists recognize it, Gerry has used the word in all kinds of sentences about Hubbard or Scientology, sometimes just for his own laughs I suppose. Anyway, this a.m. he mentioned Rabelais as Hubbard's source, so I looked him up.

From Technical Bulletins Vol VII (c) 1991 L. Ron Hubbard Library, Hubbard wrote:
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
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HCO BULLETIN OF 10 MARCH 1965

Remimeo
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Sthil R6 Co-audit

Scientology 0
Scientology VI


Word Clearing Series 14

WORDS, MISUNDERSTOOD GOOFS

It has come to my attention that words a student misunderstands and looks up can yet remain troublesome. And that R6 materials are suffering from the same fate when meter activity lessens.

It’s this way: The student runs across a word he or she doesn’t understand. He or she looks it up in a dictionary, finds a substitute word and uses that.

Of course the first word is still misunderstood and remains a bother.

Example: (Line in text) "The size was Gargantuan." Student looks up Gargantuan, finds "Like Gargantua, huge." Student uses "huge" as a synonym and reads the text line "The size was 'huge.'" A short while later is found still incapable of understanding the paragraph below "Gargantuan" in the text. Conclusion the student makes – "Well it doesn’t work."

The principle is that one goes dull after passing over a word one does not understand and brightens up the moment he spots the word that wasn’t grasped. In actual fact, the brightening up occurs whether one defines the word or not.

But to put another word in the place of the existing word, whether in Level 0 or Level VI is to mess it all up.

Take the above example. "Huge" is not "Gargantuan". These are synonyms. The sentence is "The size was Gargantuan." The sentence was not "The size was huge." You can’t really substitute one word for another at Level 0 or Level VI and get anything but an alteration. So something remains not understood at Level 0 and the meter stops at Level VI. It just isn’t what was said or thought.

The correct procedure is to look over, get defined well and understand the word that was used.

In this case the word was "Gargantuan". Very well, what’s that? It means "Like Gargantua" according to the dictionary.

Who or what was Gargantua? The dictionary says it was the name of a gigantic King in a book written by the author Rabelais. Cheers, the student thinks, the sentence meant "The size was a gigantic king." Oops! That’s the same goof again, like "huge". But we’re nearer.

So what to do? Use Gargantuan in a few sentences you make up and bingo! You suddenly understand the word that was used.

Now you read it right. "The size was Gargantuan." And what does that mean? It means "The size was Gargantuan." And nothing else.

Get it?

There’s no hope for it mate. You’ll have to learn real English, not the 600 word basic English of the college kid, in which a few synonyms are substituted for all the big words.

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And as an "aside" (like they use on the stage), may I say that golly some people have to reach a long way to find goofs.

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Rabelais was the first Thelemite. (Ref. http://www.thelemicknights.org/ootmc/rabelais/rabelais.html ) And Hubbard was the most Thelemic person Jack Persons, himself a Thelemite, had ever met, in complete agreement with Thelema's principles. (Parsons letter to Crowley, ca. January 1946.) How's that for a gargantuan MU?

Fisherman, I think it's safe to add Gargantua and Pantagruel to Ron's reading list.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Caroline!

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Fisherman, I think it's safe to add Gargantua and Pantagruel to Ron's reading list.


Well, if you say so. Still, you know my skepticism. Maybe Ron read the 'Cliff Notes'! Wink

BTW: I've now seen or heard Gerry speak in several things floating around the net. He always comes across as a very kind gentleman.

RE: William Bothito, the little bit of biographical info I've found depicts Bothito as a popular, witty, raconteur. A man with an imaginative intellect and a million stories to tell. Apparently, Bothito was a sought after companion of celebrities, adventurers, and notable authors. Gee, I wonder if that had any emulating appeal to LRH?

This review of 'Twelve Against The Gods' offers hints that Bothito's exagerated, 'larger than life' characterizations of ill-fated heroes may also have attracted Hubbard's attention. Here's a book I'd believe Hubbard read 'cover to cover'!

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I can't believe I'm the first to review this hysterical classic literary misfit title. Its dyspeptic WW I-wounded author tells eleven stories of people whose careers embodied a common and classic theme: 1) inordinate success; 2) consequent hubris (i.e., ego appropriation of the grace of the "Gods" of karma); 3) catastrophic collapse, as the Gods desert the irreverent ingrate. Interesting stories all, though not exactly world-beating literature.


http://www.amazon.com/Twelve-Against-Gods-William-Bolitho/dp/0766143341

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fisherman wrote:
Thanks Caroline!

Quote:
Fisherman, I think it's safe to add Gargantua and Pantagruel to Ron's reading list.


Well, if you say so. Still, you know my skepticism. Maybe Ron read the 'Cliff Notes'! Wink


Here in Canada we had Coles Notes, and it was news to me to just learn, from Wikipedia, the sort of Internet Cliffs Notes, that Jack Cole sold the US rights to Cliff Hillegass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CliffsNotes

I wondered if there was any CliffsNotes for Scientology, which turned up this:
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/wells-hall-off-topic-board/125063-can-someone-give-me-cliffs-notes-version-what-thell-sciencetology-about.html

There’s somebody’s Cliffs Notes to Tom Cruise:
http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screengrab/archive/2008/01/14/the-cliffs-notes-to-tom-cruise.aspx

And this is funny: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081215054044AAGDboC

fisherman wrote:
BTW: I've now seen or heard Gerry speak in several things floating around the net. He always comes across as a very kind gentleman.


To Scientologists that’s just about the nastiest, most entheta, enemy line thing anyone could possibly say about him, so thanks. He is a very kind gentleman, and I should know. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting reference to Mr. Hubbard's reading prefences in 'Barefaced Messiah' p 315

Quote:
Inside the apartment, a routine was soon established. Dincalci got up early and went out to do the day's food shopping and buy the paperback books that the Commodore read voraciously. 'I soon got to know what he liked,' said Dincalci. 'It was all blood and thunder escapist stuff. I'd choose them by the cover - the more lurid the cover, the more he liked them.' Hubbard woke at about ten or eleven o'clock; the television was turned on immediately and stayed on for the remainder of the day, even if he was reading or writing.


Caroline, I enjoyed the links. Here's another reference to Hubbard writing Machiavelli's 'Prince'.

Quote:
After dinner Hubbard had a single tot of brandy and sometimes talked into the night. 'He'd jump around from subject to subject,' said Dincalci. 'One minute he'd be talking about how an angel had given him this sector of the universe to look after and next minute he'd be talking about the camera he wanted me to buy for him next day. I used to watch him talking; sometimes his eyes would roll up into his head for a couple of minutes and he'd be kinda gone. One of the things that upset him was that he'd never gotten back the money that he had stashed away in previous lives. There was some inside the statue of a horse in Italy which he had hidden in the sixteenth century. He was a writer and had written The Prince. "That son-of-a-bitch Machiavelli stole it from me," he said.


Hubbard's insistence that he graduated from George Washington University is intriquing. Hubbard tells Dinalci:

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He talked a lot about his childhood and all the horses he had ridden when he was little, how he would get on them before he could walk. I didn't get the impression that it was a happy childhood, not at all. There was a lot of bitterness there about his parents. He said, over and over, he had graduated from George Washington University. "They say I didn't," he used to complain, "but I did." He said that he was editor of the University paper for four years and that would prove it.


Wouldn't a transcript be better 'proof' of graduation than the fact Hubbard had written for the University newspaper?

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