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magoo1

Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 10114 Location: Burbank, CA, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:18 am Post subject:
C of $ "Ethics" Crap
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This is another area I don't think people *really* get, re how Scientology
is used to abuse people, pretending it's "Ethical".
Let's jot down just a few of our personal "Ethics" Handlings...eh?
Here's one for ya: I'm on OT 7. ((second to the top of Scientology, re auditing)). I help my Mother-In-Law get onto OT 8, so I am what is known
as her FSM: Field Staff Member. This means I get 10% of what she's paid,
which in this case would be $500. At that time, that was a lot for me, and I
needed it.
Ok, next I know---the girl on post who helps get people to the ship, the "Registrar"....Cherisse I think was her name, I find out her husband was
on the ship, and filled out the FSM slip, AND got the $$$. (((this is *totally*
out tech/not Ok for a Sea Org member, which he was, not to mention he
stole *my* money!)
So I call the ship. They agree, that was wrong, and yes, *I* was her FSM,
and thus I should get the $500. I never do. I start calling the only person
I know re this, his wife, Charisse. I call, and I call,and I call, leaving messages I need my money from her husband.
Now my 6 months rolls by, and it's time for my "6 month Check". This is basically a grilling routine, where we, the next to the top, are asked a skillion questions all about did we steal any materials, did we talk with an SP, did we launder $$, etc. (Right! )
I finally finish that. I'm then told, "Oh Tory---you have another Security Check". Me: "Huh?" They: "It's a Tailor Made Security Check".
I go into the auditing room, and the grilling begins:
"Have you ever harmed Charisse? "
"Have you lied about Charisse?
"Have you harmed a Sea Org Member?"
"What aren't you telling us you've done that is harmful to an SO member?"
ON AND ON AND ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. GOOD FUCKING GOD!
If I could, I would have jumped over the table and ripped the e-meter
out of her hands, but I knew that would only get me into more "Ethics" trouble.
But can you see this? *I* am having to pay for this crap, at the tune
of $7,000/per 12 and a half hours! And her F*** husband STOLE my
money!
ETHICS? MY ASS. Creepy members of C of $ like this
are about as "ethical" as
the lowest criminals one can think of. The only difference is they
are hiding behind a curtain of "Religion"
Any other stories? I'm sure there's only about 2 million.
I think it's important to take time to share these. Truly, it gives
people a view that is 3D.
My love to all, and thank the Net and God and all of you,
I'm OUT OF THERE!!!!
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magoo1

Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 10114 Location: Burbank, CA, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:07 am Post subject:
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I've heard Soooooooooooooooooooo many stories about "Ethics",
both while "in" C of $, and certainly since I've left.
Come on.......share!
TLC |
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opter
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 810
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject:
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Ethics in the cult is mainly used as a tool of intimidation.
I was a very dedicated member. I used to audit a lot for the org (for no money at all) and a mission. I studied in the academy few days a week and helped with other things. Sometimes I wanted a bit of a break, but was never allowed more than two or three days at a time ( between one academy course to the next one).
After I finished one big academy course, I had a few rather urgent things to do. I discussed it with the course supervisor and he agreed that I could take two weeks off.
Two days later I was called back to the academy (I think by the Director of Tech). I explained the situation to her and told her that I needed those two weeks off. All that the DofT said that "we shall see about that."
The next call was from the Ethics Officer who ordered me to come into the org, althout he accepted that I was unable to do so that same day. The next day, when I went in and tried to reason with the EO (I know that being reasonable in Scientology is a sin), I was given the full "party line" of why it wasn't OK for me to have two weeks off. (Such as "other fish to fry," "being a dilettante," "the whole agonized future of the planet," bla bla bla ). Then I was told that I was going to be put into a low condition, which meant that I had to write up my O/Ws (Overts and Witholds) and do amends, so that I be accepted by the group again, which meant
a waste of time and a pain in the behind, so I agreed to come back at the end of the week, but I wasn't at all happy about it.
Later, when I went to visit some of my family who lived in a different country, I always added one or two weeks extra to my schedule, so I could take one or two weeks off from the org/academy after the trip. (BTW, it never came up in session or any sec check as an overt).
It is so good to be out in the WOG world.
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Sea Horse

Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 1776 Location: Clearwater Florida USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject:
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Too many ethics-injustice stories I have and too painful to recount. _________________ We are the architects of our own lives. Design and build the life you want. |
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hummingbird

Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 95 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject:
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Okay, here's a fairly trivial one... But if this happened to me now, I would storm out never to return. Made my blood boil for years.
When I first went on staff at a mission, my post was Receptionist. I was told, in no uncertain terms, to never ever ever put a call thru to the Treas Sec unless I got the caller's name and a description of what the call was about.
Let's call the Treas Sec "Anne Green." I got a phone call from "Alvin Smith," who asked to speak with "Anne Green." I asked what the call was regarding, he wouldn't answer, so I asked again, he still wouldn't answer, so I said that I need to know so I could put his call thru. He said, "Goddammit, I'm her father!!!" I apologized and immediately routed the call.
Did I get a KR written on me for this? You betcha! I should have "known" somehow. Tried to fight it, buy the EO refused to remove it.
I'm sure this scenario plays out 100s of times a day. Poor f*ckers. _________________ "Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I." |
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hummingbird

Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 95 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject:
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... and another thing.
It always pissed me off that when I decided I couldn't take the lack of sleep, the long hours, the ultra-low pay, and told the EO I wanted to quit I was immediately assigned some lower condition and told to write up my O/W's.
The problem was always ME and my crimes, and not what I was forced to endure. Once I cleared myself of all my crimes, then I would surely see that I was working for The Most Ethical Group on the Planet (TM), and decide to stay.
And who was one of the first people out the door during the mass exodus of '83? That same EO! F*cker!!! _________________ "Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I." |
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RedPill
Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 974
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:40 am Post subject:
Re: C of $ "Ethics" Crap
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| magoo1 wrote: |
Now my 6 months rolls by, and it's time for my "6 month Check". This is basically a grilling routine, where we, the next to the top, are asked a skillion questions all about did we steal any materials, did we talk with an SP, did we launder $$, etc. (Right! )
I finally finish that. I'm then told, "Oh Tory---you have another Security Check". Me: "Huh?" They: "It's a Tailor Made Security Check".
I go into the auditing room, and the grilling begins:
"Have you ever harmed Charisse? "
"Have you lied about Charisse?
"Have you harmed a Sea Org Member?"
"What aren't you telling us you've done that is harmful to an SO member?"
ON AND ON AND ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. GOOD FUCKING GOD!
If I could, I would have jumped over the table and ripped the e-meter
out of her hands, but I knew that would only get me into more "Ethics" trouble.
But can you see this? *I* am having to pay for this crap, at the tune
of $7,000/per 12 and a half hours! And her F*** husband STOLE my
money!
ETHICS? MY ASS. Creepy members of C of $ like this
are about as "ethical" as
the lowest criminals one can think of. The only difference is they
are hiding behind a curtain of "Religion"
Tory/Magoo |
Tory, I am suprised at you ... as long as you were "in" ... all that time ... and you never had the ethics cognition???????????????????? Ok, I suppose that since you are an incorrigible espee, it's an OK action to feed you the ethics cognition, which goes like this: Its obviously the greatest good on the greatest number of dynamics if you slip the ethics officer a few hundred bucks once in awhile!
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Sea Horse

Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 1776 Location: Clearwater Florida USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:23 am Post subject:
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| RedPill wrote: | Its obviously the greatest good on the greatest number of dynamics if you slip the ethics officer a few hundred bucks once in awhile!
Pete |
Damn! Why didn't anyone tell me that one 10 years ago?!?!? I could have used that. _________________ We are the architects of our own lives. Design and build the life you want. |
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magoo1

Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 10114 Location: Burbank, CA, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:57 am Post subject:
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HA HA Sea horse, I was just thinking the same thing!
You're kidding, right Red Pill?
Thanks to each of you for your stories re Ethics. I know it *is*
often hard to recall some of these, but hey------I look at it as each
time I hit "Send", more of the onion is stripped off.
Happy Saturday
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Wieber

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 4672
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:37 am Post subject:
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I'm pretty sure I wrote this up somewhere else and it's probably on the lame side.
I had a one night stand. My room mate (who never paid his share of the rent by the way) filed a knowledge report and my "stats" were on the skids. I really didn't want to be there but the executive director had "crush redged" me into signing a new contract. By the way, if you mention "cruch redging" to a "scientologist" they will tell you that it is not done in scientology. Just ask Tommy Davis.
Do I have to explain what "crush redging" is?
I got to see Mr. Ethics Officer. He assigned me a "condition" of "confusion" and said that I would be getting a committee of evidence (comm-ev) and would more than likely be routed off staff.
As I was starting on my "amends" I decided I would plead guilty to everything and get out of there as I had had enough of the horseshit. My thought actually was, "I've had enough of this horseshit!"
By the time the committee of evidence got started I had done all the required "amends" and "conditions formulas" except for "liability." I hope I'm not going to have to explain all this stuff.
I also had to do a "confessional." At the time it hadn't been called a "sec check" yet. I did twelve and a half hours of that. Half way through I had to sign a promissory note on it so I knew that would add about $1000 to my free loader debt. We were half way through the confessional when the time ran out. I didn't sign up for the second half and no one called me on it. That twelve and a half hours of confessional turned up three minor things that happened when I was a teenager. What happened in those sessions was turned over to the committee and they essentially said, "nothing there."
Then the committee of evidence got underway. Well, they took my one night stand (something which L. Ron had promised somewhere that we would never be tasked for. (I believe two or three people who read the committee's findings blew when they found that out.)) Then they culled my ethics folders and interviewed everyone in the "org" that I had dealings with and almost literally threw the book at me. There were about twenty-five charges altogether.
The proceedings took about three or four days. I plead guilty to everything. The committee found me not guilty on about four things. The findings were sent to "flag" for review or confirmation or whatever it is that "flag" does with those things and six or seven months later the findings were returned and approved or whatever the term for it is that means they were upheld.
I routed off staff and phoned my parents who sent me bus fare to go home, which I did. The only thing I would have liked to be a little different is to have someone at home set up to intervene and deprogram me. It could have saved me a lot of years believing in that shit and I never would have gone back. Instead I paid my inflated free loader debt and eventually went back for some more abuse.
EDIT
I wanted to mention this but in the heat of writing I left it out. When I decided I was going to plead guilty to everything in order to be sure to be routed off I knew that I had to not tell anyone and I was worried that my secret would get pulled in "session." If that happened my plan would be fubarred. So as part of my amends I cleaned the Academy and while I was doing that late at night I read up on "withholds" and "missed withholds." This gave me what I needed to avoid detection. Here's something for those of you lurking who are in. If no one else knows what you are withholding and you know that for sure then no one can "miss" your "withhold."
At the beginning of each session of that confessional the "auditor" asked me, "Is there a missed withhold?"
I said, "No."
The auditor said, "Your needle is floating." I kept my secret plan secret. _________________ Reading List: http://www.worldcat.org./profiles/Wieber/lists/563909 scientology is a cult. -1 +1 "Then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. scientology, check your six.
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programmer_guy

Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 8787 Location: Somewhere far beyond the land of Oz.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:15 am Post subject:
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| Wieber wrote: |
The only thing I would have liked to be a little different is to have someone at home set up to intervene and deprogram me. It could have saved me a lot of years believing in that shit and I never would have gone back.
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That's easy to say, now.
At that time, way back then, do you think that you would have tolerated any attempt at intervention or deprogramming? I doubt it. I tell you that it wouldn't have worked for me.
It takes a lot of years to get out of the SCN mindset. And you finally did - that is what is important. _________________ codo ergo sum. |
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magoo1

Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 10114 Location: Burbank, CA, USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:38 am Post subject:
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Oh Wieber! Just reading that brings back pains of such utter
we all lived through.
Thank God your parents were there for you!
I'm So happy you're free
Tory/Magoo |
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Wieber

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 4672
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:01 am Post subject:
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| programmer_guy wrote: | | At that time, way back then, do you think that you would have tolerated any attempt at intervention or deprogramming? I doubt it. I tell you that it wouldn't have worked for me. |
Oh, I would have gone in kicking and screaming and just overflowing with resentment and resistance there is no doubt about that. As well, at that time the intervention techniques were extremely crude compared to what has since been developed. If my mind had been freed back then I probably would have made a better effort at getting my life back on track.
Thank you for your sentiment, Tory.
 _________________ Reading List: http://www.worldcat.org./profiles/Wieber/lists/563909 scientology is a cult. -1 +1 "Then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. scientology, check your six. |
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Wieber

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 4672
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:35 am Post subject:
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I have another one. This one is really brief and I think I have also told it before.
I was finishing the Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist (HAS) (Communication) (Comm) Course. (It had all those names. It was officially the HAS Course. This could be pronounced 'aitch-ay-ess' course or 'hazz' course. HAS opened out to Hubbard Apprentice Scietnologist and even back then I thought the guy really loved his name. It was also known as the 'comm' course and, of course, 'comm' was short for communication.)
So, I was finishing the aforementioned course, when the staff recruiter recruited me for staff and being in an extremely euphoric state of mind with no current job and extremely suggestible I signed right up. What I signed was an "agreement to join staff." The deal was you signed that, then you did the basic study manual course, then you did the staff status one course. After successfully completing the staff status one course you then signed your actual staff contract. They delayed all that for me, which added about eighteen months to my two and a half year contract but that's another story.
Going in to all this there was an interview and a "sec check" but it wasn't called that yet. At any rate it turns out I was a potential trouble source (PTS) because I was sure my parents would be antagonistic to me being in scientology and sure enough I turned out to be right. I thought that the potential trouble source was my parent's antagonism to scientology but the guy in qual (the qualifications division) said no, I was the one who was PTS, and I would have to handle my parents. (Disconnection was suspended then thanks to New Zealand. Thanks, New Zealand.
So I was then routed to the Ethics Officer, and this is a long set up to get to such a short pay off.
I went in to see Mr. Ethics Officer, and looking back I think this guy had an IQ of about five so was eminently qualified to be a scientology ethics officer.
He looked at me without speaking for about a minute and then said, "You look out of present time." Then he reached out and gave me a very hard nipple twist and then laughed.
I should have walked right then. _________________ Reading List: http://www.worldcat.org./profiles/Wieber/lists/563909 scientology is a cult. -1 +1 "Then they fight you, then you win." Gandhi. scientology, check your six. |
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Sea Horse

Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 1776 Location: Clearwater Florida USA
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject:
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| Wieber wrote: | | He looked at me without speaking for about a minute and then said, "You look out of present time." Then he reached out and gave me a very hard nipple twist and then laughed. |
Stunned! I thought I'd heard it all.
Stunned-surprised-shocked-laughing-disgusted. _________________ We are the architects of our own lives. Design and build the life you want. |
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