It's not really my thing but there's some interesting points being brought up in the WWP thread....
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scie ... nts-59177/

From Jon Atack's Blue Sky:



This quote amazes me because it is describing what Hubbard did to Parsons back in the 40's, before he even published Dianetics. The bold part sums up exactly what happens to every person recruited into scientology today-

1. Miraculous illumination which rhymes with nothing.
2. Loss of all personal independence.
3. Gives away family, friends or close personal associations.
4. Gives away all their money.

It illustrates how the blueprint for LRon's great swindle was laid down so long ago. It suggests that an ordinary confidence trick can be evolved into a "religion". I think this release could be huge and I look forward to it's revelations.

Good post, Dorothy.

Frater X's illumination still rhymes with nothing. Brother Jack's illumination however rhymes with 2010, kind of a miraculous resurrection date. Does Frater 210 laugh at last?

http://www.cameron-parsons.org/

Soderqvist1: some notes regarding Hubbard-Parsons connection!

The Book of the Antichrist the black Pilgrimage
Now it came to pass even as BABALON told me, for after receving Her Book I fell away from Magick, and put away Her Book and all pertaining thereto. And I was stripped of my fortune (the sum of about $50,000) and my house, and all I Possessed. Then for a period of two years I worked in the world, recouping my fortune somewhat. But that was also taken from me, and my reputation, and my good name in my worldly work, that was in science

Analysis by a Master of the Temple VI, Early Maturity
The final experience with Hubbard and Betty, and the O.T.O. was necessary to overcome your false and infantile reliance on others, although this was only partially accomplished at the time. The invocation of Babalon served to exteriorize the Oedipus complex; at the same time, because of the forces involved it produced extraordinary magical effects. However, this operation is accomplished and closed -- you should have nothing more to do with it -- nor even think of it, until Her manifestation is revealed, and proved beyond the shadow of a doubt. Even then, you must be circumspect -- although I hope to take complete charge before then.
http://web.archive.org/web/200402110800 ... hrist.html

Letters to Cameron 25 Jan 50
I have the text of Dee's skrying in the 7th Aire, as he said "so terrified me that, beseeching God to have mercy upon me, I finally answer that I will from this day forward meddle no more herein." The voice, speaking from Kelly, resulted in a sinister dissociation of Kelly's personality. The parallel with my own working with Ron is appalling. After this Kelly robbed Dee, absconded with his wife, and developed a criminal confidence career. This is the voice: "I am the daughter of Fortitude. (La Force = Babalon) and ravished every hour from my youth. For behold, I am Understanding, and Science dwelleth in me; and the heavens oppress me. They cover and desire me with infinite appetite; few or none that are earthly have embraced me, for I am shadowed with the Circle of the Stars, and covered with the morning clouds. My feet are swifter than the winds, and my hands are sweeter than the morning dew. My garments are from the beginning, and my dwelling place is in myself. The Lion knoweth not where I walk, neither do the beasts of the field understand me. I am deflowered, yet a virgin, I sanctifie and am not sanctified. Happy is he that embraceth me: for in the night season I am sweet, and in the day full of pleasure. My company is a harmony of many symbols, and my lips are sweeter than health itself. I am a harlot for such as ravish me, and a virgin with such as know me not. Purge your streets, O ye sons of men, and wash your houses clean; make yourselves holy, and put on righteousness. Cast out your old strumpets, and burn their clothes and then I will come and dwell amongst you; and behold, I will bring forth children unto you, and they shall be the Sons of Comfort in the Age that is to come."

In view of the fact that this MSS was unknown to Hubbard and I [sic], the parallelism is really extraordinary. I have found another prophecy in Khaled Khan which I shall send later.
http://web.archive.org/web/200402110829 ... mltrs.html


Strange Angel chapter into the Abyss
Page 287 – 288: De Camp was researching a book on magic, and the occult and two spend much time talking together about magic, and science fiction. When the camp asked Parsons about his dealings with Hubbard, Parsons was in good humor enough to admit that he had received a letter from an irritated Hubbard, “offering” him Betty back. He then told de Camp that he had summoned his wife Candy, through magic.When de Camp asked where he is now, Parsons replied ruefully, “I think she’s in Mexico, getting a divorce.” “An authentic mad genius if I ever met one.” declared de Camp afterward.

I'm renaming this thread to Hubbard and the Babalon Working to focus the discussion on issues relative to the purpose of our new site. (Was "Letter to Miscavige re: unsealing of the Babalon Working.") From our About page:



We have identified a number of pertinent issues on the Issues page.

If you have evidence relevant to any of these issues, or if anyone can identify other claims made by Scientology regarding Hubbard and the Babalon Working, please feel free to contribute on this thread or on the Hubbard and the Babalon Working blog. Scientology's or Hubbard's claims in this matter that we've been able to identify so far are here. We've also included a sub-category: Acceptances of Scientology's claims. Sitemap here.

Also see Incorporations, that assembles evidence pertaining to Hubbard's system of Scientology's debt to Crowley, Parsons or the OTO.

Carolyn, the London Times article was likely planted by Hubbard himself. There are so many blatant lies in the article that it is hard to even know where to begin. Here are a few salient points:

1. In context of WWII, the US had conducted the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb in virtual secrecy. There were extremely well established US Military security protocols for scientists and specialists working on the Manhattan Project. The idea that US physicists would be allowed to live in a boarding house and practice Magick is ridiculous on its face. The US Gov't had to approve of living arrangements for its scientists. They did not have the freedom or privacy civilians enjoyed. When you have security clearances at the level of a physicist working on US weapons projects, you have a case officer and have to debrief regularly about your free time and your family and friends. You trade your privacy for the clearances. The US Gov't in WWII would have never allowed one, let alone 64, of its defense scientists to frequent a shabby, compromised boarding house where rampant sexual Black Magick orgies were common. The US Gov't sanctioned certain protected bars and resorts for its officers and scientists. Pancho Barnes' "Happy Bottom Riding Club" out on the edge of Muroc AFB (now Edwards AFB) was one such sanctioned place: http://www.panchobarnesfilm.com/film/in ... &Itemid=83

In general, the US Military preferred to keep entertainment on the base at the Officer's club or at sanctioned clubs next to bases. However, there was always senior officer and intelligence oversight of off base sights. Outsiders were not allowed in. The idea was to keep spies, reporters, and the public away. MP's were stationed outside of Pancho Barnes' place mostly to prevent from fights and keep away outsiders.

2. The Gov't had a national security interest in nuclear weapons and rockets at stake and did not tolerate drunks, adulterers, and lunatics like Hubbard. Hubbard would never have made it past the background checks needed to get security clearances. For one, his history of not paying child support and loans would have disqualified him. His reprimand from the US Navy for firing on an Mexican island would have disqualified him. The negative comments on Hubbard's service record would have disqualified him for clearances. IMO, Hubbard would have been seen as a paranoid, trigger-happy, hypochondriac by any case officer who evaluated him for a high level security clearance. The last thing you want on an Op is someone who starts lobbing dozens of high explosive depth charges when they hear something go bump in the night. You would have to be crazy to put Hubbard on a Op. He was a thirsty guy. You would worry about him drinking heavily on an Op and then launching into his stupid, made up stories of when he got machine-gunned in the back by the Japanese on Java. He starts in on that stuff and the next thing you know he is getting himself thrown out of a moving car on a dark road in Angeles National Forest by the bad guys. Where does that leave an Op? I will tell you: It leaves the Op with Hubbard under a sheet in the L.A. morgue in 1945.

3. US Military weapons work is highly compartmentalized. Jack Parsons only worked on rocket fuel. He would not have had access to physicists on other projects. Jack Parsons was a non-Ph.D. private contractor whose security clearances only allowed him to examine captured V2 rocket motors and fuel. The idea that Parsons could convince any serious physicist to engage in OTO rituals is absurd. First, Parsons' alleged recruiting for OTO would have been immediately reported to case officers. The very idea of Magick and seances would have been absolutely scandalous and unacceptable in a highly intellectual WWII US Military facility such as JPL. Second, Parsons would not have been allowed into the areas for which he was not cleared, so how could he ever have met scientists who did not work directly on his projects? Third, aside from Parsons there is no notable US technology expert in WWII with a known interest in Magick or OTO. Parsons stands out only because he was an exception in a world of hard science. The US Military tolerated Parsons only because he was a genius. If Parsons was compromised by any party, it was by the Israelis. Parsons was stripped of his clearances in 1948 when he worked at Hughes Aircraft:


ref: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+magic ... 0131280308

4. As I have posted elsewhere, the US Navy has no jurisdiction over a domestic investigation. The FBI alone has domestic jurisdiction. If a criminal investigation of a US Defense worker or private contractor is required, the FBI will conduct it along with the US Dept of Defense, the agency that issues clearances for defense workers and contractors.

5. The US Navy in 1945 had no formal relationship of any kind to the Top Secret US Military rocket program. The US Army Air Force was in charge of rockets. There would be no reason for a US Naval Officer to be anywhere near a US Army Top Secret program. The interservice rivalry alone kept all other branches away from the Army's rockets. Only later was the US Navy allowed to have rockets when it built the first SSBN's.

6. Domestic undercover intelligence operatives are not allowed to have adulterous sexual relationships on investigations. An agent investigating Parsons would not have stolen Parsons' girlfriend and $20,000 and taken off to Florida.

7. Hubbard's fellow writers easily spotted him as a Bullshit Artist. Physicists would have laughed Hubbard to derision once he opened his mouth and started in with his nonsense and lies.

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Hubbard and Parsons conducted the Babalon Working. When Hubbard later wanted to distance himself from Magick, he fabricated a story that is patently false. Hubbard was involved in Magick and the Occult. In 1951, we hear him and Mary Sue conducting an electronic seance using an e-meter. Scientology is still laden in occult symbology and Magick.


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Since dox would be the ideal way of resolving a lot of these questions, I wonder how hard it would be to get information from Hubbard's military and FBI files for the time period in question, through FOIA requests? There might have been sensitive information in them once, but one would think that, after 60+ years, with almost all persons involved dead, some lightly redacted copies shouldn't be a big deal from a security perspective.

ZenuEtrawl, as far as anyone can tell, the dox do not exist because the OTO "undercover" scenario described by Scientology never happened. Several great researchers worked diligently and used FOIA to make Hubbard's WWII military record public after his death. There is simply no record of Hubbard ever being an undercover Naval Intelligence officer. Wiki has summarized all of the material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_c ... on_Hubbard

Arnie Lerma in particular investigated Hubbard's WWII record and has the most extensive collection of original US Gov't dox online at the mighty Lermanet: http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/

Omar Garrison got to look at everything when he was CoS' official LRH biographer. Garrison said of the official LRH personal and military dox provided to him by then LRH archivist and researcher Gerry Armstrong:


ref: Wiki op cit

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OTO was never a threat to US security interests in WWII. The US Gov't had sweeping powers of arrest in WWII as demonstrated by its illegally incarcerating Japanese Americans in that era. If Parsons or his Pasadena OTO Lodge had been viewed as a threat, the FBI would have just arrested all of the members, interrogated them, and searched the house. When you have unlimited WWII wartime arrest powers, you don't need an undercover operation. You just arrest all of the kooks and use "enhanced interrogations techniques" to make them talk. The US had guys like Dick Cheney back then who used rolled up phonebooks and rubber hoses; they did not need some chain-smoking neurotic like Hubbard waddling around. In any case, if anyone needed to be questioned it was Hubbard himself. He was the suspicious occultist, hypnotist, and crook in that whole OTO scene.


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Thanks very much. The issue of "Who is the source of the "information" the London Sunday Times published December 28, 1969?" is pretty conclusively resolved here: http://blacklies.xenu.ca/the-issues/who-is-source

Your evidence and argument also helps in analyzing other issues, and I’ll work it into those issues as I’m able to address them. http://blacklies.xenu.ca/the-issues

Most importantly, of course, I’m looking for documents that directly relate to the issues.

Note that Scientology attorney Jeremy Malcolm states that

We saw a similar shore story very recently from an unofficial cult source, so it’s possible this is the final spin. I would imagine that with all the cult’s agents in the LAPD, they could discover in the "Lost Archives" Ron’s 1945 LAPD mission orders to break up black magic in America even easier than they were able to find Ron’s Blackfoot Bloodbrother certificate after 70 years.

Keeping the spin working, I’d guess DM’s dev-OTs® will use Hubbard’s 1948 security guard card as further proof of his mission’s success, since his "ultimate license" came from the LAPD. If Ron’s LAPD black magic mission in 1945-46 hadn’t been such a success, the LAPD surely wouldn’t have signed off on his being a security guard in 1948.



One of the reasons the cult decided to rewrite the shore story has to be as you note that the US Navy legally couldn’t be running covert missions on US civilian citizens on US soil. It’s equally heinous of the LAPD to be running covert missions to break up a peaceful religious group, and I think they’d be well advised to distance themselves from attorney Malcolm’s and Scientology’s insane claim.

Many of you will have probably heard this audio, but I thought I'd stick it in this thread for those that haven't and are skeptical of Hubbard's adulation of Crowley.
In Hubbard's own voice....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6fwzOYoAfY

An excellent evidentiary addition, thanks. In 1969 Hubbard described Aleister Crowley as "the infamous English black magician," whose rites were "savage and bestial." But in 1952 he recommended Crowley's material to his doctorate students in Philadelphia.



According to Wikipedia, Crowley assumed the title of The Master Therion, Therion being a god, the beast, in the system of Thelema. Crowley authored books as The Master Therion, including The Book of Thoth and Magick in Theory and Practice. The name or term "the master Therion" appears many times in Crowley's writings, and is closely associated with his core principles. See, e.g., Liber II The Message of The Master Therion

I tend to agree with Jon Atack's OTO officer Hubbard and the Occult that Hubbard was referring to Magick in Theory and Practice



If Hubbard really broke up black magic in America, or even if he believed he broke up black magic in America, why would he be recommending The Master Therion to his doctorate students in 1952? The LFBD F/N answer is that Hubbard knew his system of Scientology owed The Master Therion a great debt.

Magick in America, Black and otherwise, was hardly limited to the Pasadena OTO Lodge. That was just one of many groups in America and Europe that investigated or practiced Magick or other Occult practices. The American Spiritism/Spiritualist movement spread in the 19th century with the Fox Sisters, the Golden Dawn, Madame Blavatsky's followers, and numerous other societies. At its peak, the Spiritualism movement is estimated to have had 8,000,000 people involved:


ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritualism

Magick in America did not rely upon Jack Parsons in any way. Only OTO in Pasadena relied on Parsons. And even then, OTO only needed the flophouse/temple/money Parsons provided. OTO Pasadena was just a small group of people who used drugs, slept with each other, and practiced Magick. OTO Pasadena was like an early hippie commune. Hubbard was already afflicted with gonorrhea when he abandoned his wife and children to move into Parson's boarding house. Perhaps LRH transmitted this special viral gift to Jack and Betty by use of his wand?

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The big occult groups in America in the era of 1945 were the Rosicrucians (both AMORC and Golden Dawn), the Anthroposophical Society, and the Lectorium Rosicrucianum. All of these groups had centers in Los Angeles or Hollywood. In Los Angeles, Manly Palmer Hall was the major esoteric figure in 1945. He had founded the Philosophical Research Society in 1934. Hall was far more important and influential than Jack Parsons. PRS' research library includes extraordinarily rare manuscripts and remains a center of esoteric research. Parsons only became famous after he died and was popularized as a glamorous counterculture figure. Parsons came shockingly close to being arrested and tried for treason and espionage in 1948. All that saved him was a US Gov't decision to not embarrass the new Israeli State by trying Parsons as its spy.

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What is never explained by the claim that LRH "Broke up Black Magick in America" is the specific threat that Black Magick posed to America. Was America in danger of having a spell cast on it? Would Americans look in their mirrors one night and collectively see Bloody Mary, Mary Worth, or even Satan himself? I do not understand the nature of the unspecified diabolical threat. Someone please explain.

In context of the era, Hubbard lived in a Magick/Free Love/Drug commune and arguably bankrupted Jack Parsons by fraud. How that story got turned into "LRH broke up Black Magick in America as a US Naval Intelligence officer" shows the need of Scientologists to make the drug-addled Satanist they worship appear to be something other than a drug-addled Satanist. Good luck trying to transmute the gonorrheal LRH of 1945 into a crime fighting secret agent! BTW, did LRH defeat Black Magick in America before or after he cured himself of being crippled and blinded? Hubbard received extensive combat injuries fighting in all five theaters of WWII and as the Commander of Corvettes. As the first American casualty of WWII, Hubbard was returned home in the Secretary of the Navy's private plane. After LRH recovered from having been machined-gunned, he was heavily decorated and then returned to combat in the other four theaters of war. That is how much America needed and depended upon LRH's singular talents. Nevertheless, and as LRH himself said, he was glad to kill hundreds of enemy soldiers in fair fights, but he refused to design atomic bombs for America (Inc II flashback?). Anyway, LRH was wounded again in combat, got more medals, healed himself and others using Dianetics, and then broke up Black Magick in America by sleeping with Betty and stealing Jack's money. Bravo Mr. Hubbard! Bravo!


Where Hubbard gets major credit and fame is this: Hubbard succeeded in becoming a far more famous, powerful, evil, and wealthy Black Magician than Aliester Crowley ever dreamed of. Hubbard was, hands down, the most commercially successful Black Magick Adept of the 20th century.

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I can't find word on any revelations involving this collection yet. Anyone know anything?

I strongly doubt that there's much more to find in Crowley's writings or papers that will involve Hubbard. There's already ample evidence to prove the Hubbard/Parsons/Crowley link in the letters we have from them. We know Hubbard lived with Parsons, we know he performed "black magick" rituals with him, and we know he stole Parsons' money.

The impression I got from reading the passages in Jon Atack's book and elsewhere was that, while Crowley knew of Hubbard through Parsons and believed Hubbard to be conning Parsons, there was no direct communication between Hubbard and Crowley.

Since Crowley's hunch about Hubbard's being a con man was soon very strongly confirmed to Parsons and Crowley (Crowley was informed of all the details of the fraud and of Parsons' ordeal in tracking down Hubbard and Sarah and the lawsuit Parsons filed against Hubbard, etc.) why would we assume Crowley would later establish a relationship or even correspondence with Hubbard?

I suppose it's possible that there is some tidbit to find, and I suppose it's even possible that Crowley may have entertained communication from Hubbard after Hubbard became rich, but I've never seen anything to indicate that.

Hubbard's remarks about Crowley's being "my good friend" were just hot air, I believe, like almost everything else that came out of his mouth.

+++++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture++++++++++++++++

We could set ourselves up as a black-cowled priesthood. The only
reason we would do that is because we were fresh out of total
game; we were in a position where we hated everybody, cared
nothing for anything, totally out of communication in all directions.
Yes, we could set up as a black-cowled priesthood with a
tremendous number of mysteries, and boy, could we deal off the
bottom of the mental deck!

We can brainwash a man in twenty seconds. What more do you
want? That's enough technique to conquer the world.

—L. Ron Hubbard
Lecture 14 January 1957: Control
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