Dr. Stephen Wiseman at CPA Conference in Toronto Sept 23-26

caroline · **Posted:** Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:16 pm

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

The Canadian Psychiatric Association 60th Annual Conference is September 23-26 in Toronto at the Westin Harbour Castle.

On Friday the 24th Dr. Stephen Wiseman is delivering a 75-minute workshop on Scientology v. Psychiatry.

The conference program schedule at p. A4, WOG: “No Pleasure Cruise: The Troubled Relationship Between Psychiatry and the Church of Scientology - Stephen Wiseman, MD"

Scientology has standardly organized protests at CPA or APA conferences, and this year should be the same. Scientology head David Miscavige has given no indication that he has re-thought the decades-long war he has his Scientologist troops wage on psychiatry and psychiatrists. If anything, in recent years he has stepped it up, in bellicosity and activity.

L. Ron Hubbard started what would become the Scientology v. Psychiatry War in 1950. So this is his continuous and clearly attritional war’s 60th year. Hubbard declared war formally in the mid-1950’s, and thereafter reiterated and reinforced this declaration for Scientologists in dozens of his writings or sermons that form Scientology scripture.

In 1966, he created the Guardian’s Office (GO), assigned it the function of waging his war, on intelligence, PR, legal and financial channels, and made his wife Mary Sue the Guardian, answerable only to him. The GO was his personal army. The Sea Organization (SO), the management and money-machine operating arm was his personal navy. In 1969, the GO set up the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) as Scientology’s singularly anti-psychiatry division.

Miscavige took over the execution of Hubbard’s anti-psychiatry war in 1981when he removed Mrs. Hubbard and took control of the GO. Miscavige also removed the name “Guardian’s Office” from Scientology organizing boards, although he kept all the GO’s functions and fronts including CCHR, and absorbed them into the Sea Org. After Hubbard died in 1986, Miscavige became Scientology’s supreme head, answerable to no one. He has directed its wars on all channels ever since with his personal army and navy and mercenaries.

Dr. Wiseman is spearheading a new offensive, in fact a whole new opposition in Scientology’s war, which Miscavige cannot ignore. It should therefore be anticipated that Miscavige will have a significant set of Scientologists and agents at or around the Westin Harbour Castle. They will rave and rage against psychiatry under the CCHR banner, hand out anti-psychiatry literature, manufacture media opportunities, take a ton of videos, maybe burn candles, and possibly set up an Industry of Death tent somewhere nearby, or do whatever Miscavige orders or approves.

There is no doubt that Miscavige has had Scientology’s legal, PR and intelligence personnel study and evaluate Dr. Wiseman’s first, and so far only, public talk, which he gave this past March at a SkeptiCamp at the University of British Columbia. The video description contains some basic information about Dr. Wiseman and his and his colleagues’ undertaking -- a push back against Scientology in the name of the profession of psychiatry.

Miscavige will also have had his intelligence personnel and agents covertly investigate every other part of Dr. Wiseman’s life. Miscavige’s troops are looking for any vulnerability, or for opportunities to manufacture evidence of vulnerabilities, that can be exploited. Scientology’s goal for Dr. Wiseman, and for each of his allies, as Hubbard mandated in scripture, is to “just go all the way in and obliterate him.”

There are a few overt generalizing responses from Miscavige’s personnel among the comments to Dr. Wiseman’s video, but until now Scientology has not subjected him to its usual noisy investigation. Nor has the cult broadly disseminated a Dead Agent attack on him and his public talk, as Miscavige has just had done in response to Anderson Cooper’s series on the culture of violence in Scientology. These attacks on Dr. Wiseman will happen, because Scientology scripture and its leaders only permit attack, and will not permit Scientologists to make peace with psychiatry and psychiatrists, which would be sane.

In truth, what Dr. Wiseman and his colleagues are doing and can do is much more important for Scientology, CCHR and Miscavige’s future than CNN’s Scientology violence series. What the Wiseman team is doing can motivate litigation and legislation, influence public opinion, and engage Scientology and Scientologists even if they shut up and go into hiding. Successes by science in the push back against Scientology also support the people who oppose the cult on other, non-medical fronts or issues, such as its human rights abuses, legal malfeasance, or education and government subversion.

The psychiatrists’ stand against Scientology is also infinitely more important for the most tragic victims in the cult’s war on psychiatry: the people with mental problems that advancing humanistic psychiatric science, understanding, practice and care could benefit. The Scientologists campaign to keep those people from that science, understanding, practice, care and benefit. The Scientologists pursue this antisocial goal with scriptural battle tactics that include “standard wartime propaganda.”

Scientology and CCHR seek, moreover, not only to get people who could benefit from psychiatry’s potential help to refuse that help, but to get them to hate and attack psychiatry and the psychiatrists that could help them, and to misidentify psychiatrists as cause of conditions they don’t cause. Scientology and CCHR operate actually to get everyone else, the public, in every other position or class in life, to hate even the word “psychiatry” and to view the subject as the cause of society’s greatest ills, including the mental ills psychiatrists work to alleviate or cure.

Hubbard had enemies who were not psychiatrists, but the psychiatrist was his enemy, and Hubbard stated very specifically what Scientologists were to do, and have been doing to the psychiatrist enemy ever since.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

The prize is "public opinion" where press is concerned. The only safe public opinion to head for is they love us and are in a frenzy of hate against the enemy, this means standard wartime propaganda is what one is doing, complete with atrocity, war crimes trials, the lot. Know the mores of your public opinion, what they hate. That's the enemy. What they love. That's you.
You preserve the image or increase it of your own troops and degrade the image of the enemy to beast level.

That’s been the 60-year war. Despite all their image degradation efforts, however, and despite the undeniable damage they’ve done, the Scientologists have not achieved their goals. Public opinion doesn’t love them, and doesn’t hate psychiatrists. And now the psychiatrist enemy is pushing back.

To my knowledge, Dr. Wiseman is the first psychiatrist to tackle this subject directly at any major psychiatric conference. The CPA, its executives and its conference organizing committee are to be commended for including his presentation, and for the support for his effort on behalf of their profession that this inclusion signals.

With this post I hope to start the process for organizing support for Dr. Wiseman and the CPA Conference, and for creating a counter-presence to the CCHR protesters at the conference. I wish I could be there all 4 days with our own protesters, but I have committed to be in Russia during that period. I know that there are smart old guard, new guard and anonymous Torontonians, and from around the world for that matter, who can put there good minds to work on this excellent opportunity.

I imagine that permits must be considered and locked in if necessary. Lots of cameras, knowledgeable spokespeople on the street, media notified, places for out-of-town folks to bunk, a contact person chosen, security considerations, parties, are a few things that come to mind.

Dr. Wiseman has just made a pair of office visit videos, one dealing with CCHR, and the other a challenge to Dr. Thomas Szasz, the old apostate psychiatrist who along with Scientology’s GO personnel founded CCHR. These videos, which should be on YouTube in the next day or so, contain some of the material Dr. Wiseman will cover in his workshop, and will be useful for pre-conference and pre-protest education and promotion.

Okay, you guys all know who you are. Have fun with it.

Sponge · **Posted:** Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:02 pm

Awesome guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLm_N2z60Ko

btw was the error intentional in your spelling of the title number, for the lulz?

WOG: “No Pleasure Cruise: The Troubled Relationship Between Psychiatry and the Church of Scientology - Stephen Wiseman, MD"
(it's meant to be W06)

caroline · **Posted:** Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:11 am

Sponge wrote:

Awesome guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLm_N2z60Ko

btw was the error intentional in your spelling of the title number, for the lulz?

WOG: “No Pleasure Cruise: The Troubled Relationship Between Psychiatry and the Church of Scientology - Stephen Wiseman, MD"
(it's meant to be W06)

What? Moi? Pour les lulz? But seriously, Dr. W is a natural born wog, and I think competently represents our race. That WO6 looks like WOG is not my error.

Sponge · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:36 am

Dr. Stephen Wiseman takes on the CCHR (Citizen's Commission on Human Rights - Scientology cult front group)

Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBrLmUZIkVU
Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxPu40S_3c

Quote:

Dr. Stephen Wiseman is a Clinical Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of British Columbia, and Consultant Psychiatrist at St. Paul's Hospital in Vancouver, BC. For a number of years he has been researching Scientology, its inventor L. Ron Hubbard, and the organization's anti-psychiatry arm, the Citizens Commission on Human Rights

The Canadian Psychiatric Association 60th Annual Conference is September 23-26 in Toronto at the Westin Harbour Castle.

On Friday the 24th Dr. Stephen Wiseman is delivering a 75-minute workshop on Scientology v. Psychiatry.

The conference program schedule at p. A4, WOG: "No Pleasure Cruise: The Troubled Relationship Between Psychiatry and the Church of Scientology - Stephen Wiseman, MD"

Scientology has standardly organized protests at CPA or APA conferences, and this year should be the same. Scientology head David Miscavige has given no indication that he has re-thought the decades-long war he has his Scientologist troops wage on psychiatry and psychiatrists. If anything, in recent years he has stepped it up, in bellicosity and activity.

Dr. Wiseman describes what he and two colleagues have undertaken as a push back against Scientology in the name of his profession. This is the first such effort, certainly in the English-speaking world, and is long overdue. In the past, several individual psychiatrists speaking for themselves have stood up to Scientology and faced its organized and heavily-funded hostility. Until now, however, no group of psychiatrists or professional organization such as the American Psychiatric Association has confronted or pushed back against the distortions and falsehoods of Scientology, and this has emboldened Miscavige's organization considerably over the years. With the work of Dr. Wiseman and his colleagues, these days are now over.

for more info:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scie ... ost1290419

caroline · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:27 am

Xenu finds a brain.

YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [1/6]
YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [2/6]
YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [3/6]
YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [4/6]
YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [5/6]
YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [6/6]

Don Carlo · **Joined:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:20 am **Posts:** 8167

Wiseman: We would challenge Dr. Thomas Szasz, right now, to identify any meaningful way that the Introspection Rundown of Scientology differs morally from coercive psychiatric practice...

We call on Dr. Szasz before his death to renounce Scientology institutional practices, including the Introspection Rundown, that are obviously and grossly contradictory to the very core, the very essence of Szasz's own beliefs and intellectual efforts for the last seventy years.

(The above quote from halfway through part 6)

caroline · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:25 pm

Thanks for highlighting Dr. Wiseman's challenge to Dr. Szasz, Don Carlo. I added one more sentence that sort of completes the challenge.

Dr. Wiseman wrote:

We would challenge Dr. Thomas Szasz right now to identify any meaningful way that the Introspection Rundown of Scientology differs morally from traditional coercive psychiatric practice. We would ask him why he has given his support, legitimacy and sustenance to this organization for over forty years when this policy has been on the book, this IR policy has been on the books and has been very publicly practiced by Scientology for many, many years.

We finally call on Dr. Szasz, before his death, to renounce Scientology institutional practices, including the IR, that are obviously and grossly contradictory to the very core, the very essence, of Szasz's own beliefs and intellectual efforts for the past 70 years.

He cannot, he cannot believe what he believes and not denounce Scientology for the exact same reasons as he has denounced psychiatry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xRCHtxAo-0

I'll post an excerpt of the Introspection Rundown from the 1991 edition of the Technical Bulletins.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 23 JANUARY 1974RB

Remimeo
Expanded Dianetics Auditors
C/Ses
M7/M4 star-rate Clay Demo

THE TECHNICAL BREAKTHROUGH OF 1973!
THE INTROSPECTION RD

I have made a technical breakthrough which possibly ranks with the major discoveries of the twentieth century. It is certainly the greatest advancement of 1973 and is now being released after a final wrap-up of research. It is called the Introspection Rundown.

The purpose of the Introspection RD is to locate and correct those things which cause a person to fixate his attention inwardly, on himself or his bank. This RD extroverts the person so that he can see his environment and therefore handle and control it.

RESEARCH

In 1970 the actual cause of PSYCHOSIS was isolated (as given in HCO B C/S Series 22, “Psychosis”, 28 November 1970). In the ensuing years this has been proven beyond doubt to be totally correct.

But what is a psychotic break?

Man has never been able to solve the psychotic break. In fact, human beings are actually afraid of a person in a psychotic break and in desperation turn to psychiatry to handle.

Psychiatry, desperate in its turn, without effective tech, resorts to barbarities such as heavy drugs, ice picks, electric and insulin shock which half kill the person and only suppress him. The fact remains there has never been a cure for the psychotic break until now.

The key is WHAT CAUSED THE PERSON TO INTROSPECT BEFORE THE PSYCHOTIC BREAK.

The breakthrough was made on a person who, after a series of wrong indications, went into a full-blown psychotic break—violence, destruction and all.

The psychiatrist at this point would have sharpened up his ice pick, filled his syringes with the most powerful (and deadly) drugs he could find and turned up the volts. His “handling” would have been a final destruction of the individual.

What was done was an auditor went into the room, sat the person down and corrected the last severe point of wrong indication. Subsequent times of wrong indication in his life were cleared up, the person came out of the psychotic break and into present time.

THIS MEANS THE LAST REASON TO HAVE PSYCHIATRY AROUND IS GONE.

The psychotic break, the last of the “unsolvable” conditions that can trap a person, has been solved.

And it’s quite simple, really.

[...]

EXTROVERSION

Def. EXTROVERSION: “. . . Means nothing more than being able to look outward....” “An extroverted personality is one who is capable of looking around the environment....” “A person who is capable of looking at the world around him and seeing it quite real and quite bright is of course in a state of extroversion.” (Problems of Work.)

The end phenomena of the Introspection RD is the person extroverted, no longer looking inward worriedly in a continuous self-audit without end.

The EP on a person in a psychotic break is the end of the psychotic break.

The RD is very simple and its results are magical[:roll:] in effectiveness. Flubs can wreck it so don’t permit them.

You have in your hands the tool to take over mental therapy in full. You need not fear the insane or the psychotic break any longer.

Here also is the cure for the continual self-auditing pc who is dug into his bank. It works on all pcs in fact with rave results.

Do it flawlessly and we all win. [1]

L. RON HUBBARD
Founder
Hubbard, L. R. (1991, 23 January). The Technical Breakthrough of 1973! The Introspection Rundown The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology (1991 ed., Vol. S3, pp. 906-932). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

[1] Hubbard closed the original version of this bulletin with "THIS PLANET IS OURS." (1974 ed., Vol VIII, p.242.)

Did Hubbard or Miscavige have the big cog between 1974 and 1991 that the planet wasn't theirs?

caroline · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:32 pm

Dr. Stephen Wiseman wrote:

We've talked a little bit so far about Dr. Thomas Szasz being wrong and about him being essentially out of date. We haven't talked about Dr. Thomas Szasz's hypocrisy, however. And that in my opinion is probably the most egregious issue against him that is coming up as we look at this topic.

To review, Szasz is a man who has been writing for 50 years from a Libertarian perspective, arguing for self-determination, and against state interference in matters such as behavioral control.

Szasz rejects and has always rejected state authority to detain or hospitalize and treat a person against his or her will.

Szasz has always rejected psychiatry's apparent role in making this happen by labeling questionable behaviors as an illness, hence justifying state interference and control.

And Szasz has also rejected any provision of medical or psychiatric treatment without full informed consent and thereby free choice by the recipient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdAX7rdhB6w

The following Introspection Rundown bulletin, which Dr. Wiseman discusses in this talk, directs case supervisors to detain people against their will, and to control when they are let out of isolation.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 20 FEBRUARY 1974R
REVISED 25 April 1991

Remimeo
Expanded Dianetics Auditors
C/Ses
M7/M4 star-rate
Clay Demo

INTROSPECTION RD
ADDITIONAL ACTIONS

RESPONSIBILITY STEP

An additional step to the rundown has been found necessary, especially in the case of a psychotic. This is the Responsibility Step. It consists of doing ARC Breaks Long Duration Triple/Quad and 2wc Recent Actions, taking up the best reading overt and running Responsibility on it (i.e., What about_____could you be responsible for?). If no major increase in responsibility take up another reading overt and run Responsibility on that. Do this until there is a significant increase in responsibility. Follow this with running all evil purposes brought up during the Introspection steps of the RD with R3RA (omit on Clears and OTs). If the pc was found to R/S during the RD, the C/S would program him for R/S handling—either Expanded Dianetics or NED for OTs. Additionally, the C/S would note areas of low responsibility and order O/W run on those areas.

PROGRAMMING DATA

In the case of a psycho it is necessary to tailor the Introspection RD steps to the pc, instead of following it as a rote sequence at the risk of running unreading items on the pc. On any pc this is deadly. In a psycho it is pure dynamite.

To do this the C/S would order the subjects of the RD steps assessed, then handled in order of large reads. The auditor’s TR 1 and metering must be such that he can make a meter read. The RD could be made to fail on this point by missing hot subjects.

THE CLEARED CANNIBAL FACTOR

When you clear a cannibal what do you have? Experientially you have a cannibal. His experiential track is such that he’s been a cannibal for ages. That’s how he’s handled life and people around him, that’s what he knows how to do. This person is unaware of his responsibilities to other dynamics and is unfamiliar with proper behavior and responsible actions towards others. In the case of an SP, he has been busy destroying others for so long that when he’s somewhat cleaned up on this he does not know what else to do or how to act. It’s rather pathetic, actually.

ISOLATION

In a person in a psychotic break, it is necessary to isolate them for them to destimulate and to protect them and others from possible damage. While in isolation the person receives the Introspection RD done flawlessly on a short-session basis, gradiently winning and gaining confidence. Between sessions the muzzled rule is in force. No one speaks to the person or in his hearing.

There comes a point where the C/S must decide to release the person from isolation. To do this the C/S must know that the person can take responsibility for his actions as regards others, as well as toward himself.

C/S ACTION—CLEARED CANNIBAL STEP

The C/S’s action is a direct comm line to the person by notes. The person is provided with paper and pen to reply. The C/S must determine the person’s responsibility level. Example: “Dear Joe. What can you guarantee me if you are let out of isolation?” If the person’s reply shows continued irresponsibility toward other dynamics or fixation on one dynamic to the exclusion of others damaged the C/S must inform the person of his continued isolation and why. Example: “Dear Joe. I’m sorry
but no go on coming out of isolation yet. Your actions threatened the survival of hundreds of people indirectly and 6 families directly by burning down their houses. You are unaware of the effects this could have had and still only concerned about your own welfare. You must hate the human race quite a bit.”

The C/S has drawn a conclusion based on the information he has and lets the person know where he stands. He does not reintrovert the pc by asking him, “Why did you burn down those houses?” He draws an accurate conclusion and indicates it.

This will elicit a protest from the person and bring about an involvement in the dynamics concerned. It also serves to bring about an awareness of consequences. Example: “But. . . but. . . I never meant to threaten others’ survival. I just wanted to burn down the houses because I like fires. Gosh. . . I didn’t mean it. I don’t hate the human race. . . Oh! I really don’t hate the human race.” Cognition.

The person’s auditing is continued between these exchanges. The Auditor may have to clean up some ARC Breaks as the protest is coming off. Skillfully done, that’s all the auditor should have to clean up, except maybe some more O/Ws. When it is obvious the person is out of his psychosis and up to the responsibility of living with others his isolation is ended.

SUMMARY

Handling the C/Sing and auditing on this RD requires a real understanding of Dianetics and Expanded Dianetics basics and the utmost precision of application. Its results are nothing short of miraculous. I hope this will be of further assistance to you.

L. RON HUBBARD
Founder

Assisted by CS-4
Revision assisted by LRH Technical Research and Compilations

Hubbard, L. R. (1974, 20 February). Introspection RD Additional Actions Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology (Vol. S3, pp. 933-934). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

caroline · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:35 am

YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [1/6]

Dr. Wiseman wrote:

0:00
Dr. Wiseman: Thomas Szasz was born in Hungary in 1920 and moved to the United States with his family in the late 1930s to avoid the war.

He says in his book Szasz Under Fire from 2004 that he went to medical school not to practice medicine but just to learn medicine.

He then went into psychiatry residency not to become a psychiatrist but to qualify to become a psychoanalyst.

He writes that the role of the psychoanalyst is appealing to him because it would provide "a platform from which I could perhaps launch an attack on what I had long felt were the immoral practices of civil commitment and the insanity defense."

Szasz says that even as an adolescent, he began to believe that the mentally ill are "not sick" and simply "exhibit behaviors unwanted by others who diagnose them as mad and lock them up."

During his training as described, he studiously avoided dealing with profoundly disturbed or psychotic patients or patients that could possibly be so ill that they require hospitalization against their will. He didn't want any part of it and basically chose to work with patients and complete his residency, not dealing with those folks whatsoever. So how he ever developed any kind of expertise in coping with severe persistent mental illness is impossible to tell.

Szasz's issues come from a stance of libertarianism. And basically his argument is against the idea of coercion and the use of psychiatry as a tool of control by the state.

He says that mental illness is actually a myth to justify the appropriation of power and control by the state almost using psychiatry.

He says that we're really not talking about an illness or condition. We're talking about objectionable or questionable or bad behavior that the state wishes to control. And essentially by labeling this type of behavior as an illness or as a disease, the state then has the power through psychiatry to bring someone into the hospital against their will to treat them and to change that behavior against their will, so to speak, so that society benefits.

He wrote these kinds of ideas in his book The Myth of Mental Illness which was published in 1961 and that book is still by far what Dr. Szasz is known for.

3:08

Hubbard raved about another book by Szasz: The Manufacture of Madness:

It's worth noting that this book, which Hubbard declares brilliant in 1972 is © 1970, and Szasz co-founded CCHR with Hubbard's cultists, even they admit, in 1969. I wonder how much madness Szasz has manufactured this past 40 years?

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 24 FEBRUARY 1972

Remimeo
All Staff
Staff Hats

INJUSTICE

Any staff member who does not know ethics policy is a clay pigeon. "Clay pigeons" are used to throw up in the air and shoot at.

The cycle is, goofs are made. The real Why is not located or handled, and when this happens angry executives, who have to pick up the ball, start shooting.

Staff members are expected to do their jobs and there are no excuses at all for not doing so.

But it sometimes happens that injustices occur. Goofs happen, then conditions are assigned, persons are removed from post or otherwise bashed about.

Usually this occurs because the staff member is pitifully ignorant of his rights.

Justice is expected and has definite use. When a state of discipline does not exist, the whole group caves in. It has been noted continually that the failure of a group began with a lack of or loss of discipline. Without it the group and its members die.

Most people think discipline is bad because most wog discipline is simply harsh injustice.

Most people do not even know that "justice" means fair and equitable treatment for both the group and individual.

Commercial firms and credit companies have a level of injustice that is hard to believe. One is never faced by his accusers and may not even know he is accused until he is shot.

Psychiatry, as exposed in the brilliant book Manufacture of Madness by Dr. Szasz, uses the "justice" procedures developed in the days of witch burning, unknown accusers, opinions only, punished before being tried, etc. Psychiatric influence on contemporary court thinking may well be a major reason for the present disturbed condition of society.

Lord forbid we ever fall into such barbarism ourselves.

It is injustice that destroys discipline.

Hubbard, L. R. (1972, 24 February). Injustice Organization Executive Course Basic Staff Hat Volume 0 (1991 ed., Vol. 0, pp. 856). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

caroline · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:20 am

(Transcript of Part 1, continued)
YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [1/6]

Dr. Wiseman wrote:

3:08

It sounds impressive and it sounds interesting and it sounds very intellectual and it sounds challenging. But Szasz's actual argument when we start to dig into it is none of the above.

In fact what he talks about, what he's talked about in his entire career, as far as I can tell, are simply words and definitions.

Szasz has stated all along that genuine illness in his opinion, or genuine disease, is characterized by tissue pathology or really, objective findings, or demonstrable lesion. You can see a broken bone. You can see a cut. You can see gallstones in a gall bladder. And then you go in and you remove the gallbladder and treat that disease. So a very concrete understanding of what it is to have a disease or to have an illness.

He says that if you can't find any of these objective findings or objective evidence or tissue pathology, then what you're dealing with is not really a disease, not really an illness.

In this type of scenario, mental illness is of the mind. It has no specific physical findings. It has no specific defined physiological abnormality that you can scan and point a finger at. It has no simple or specific blood test that you can do that cinches a diagnosis.

And for Szasz, and of course this has been taken on big time by Scientology, therefore mental illness is not real illness.

Where it gets tricky is when Szasz starts to talk about how things can change. He says that if you actually at some point find a physical cause or a physiological cause for what you think is mental illness, then by definition it's no longer mental illness. Then by definition it's a physical or a neurological condition that's best treated by a neurologist, and not a psychiatrist.

So in this way, no matter what we discover about the brain, about behavior, about psychiatric symptoms, about psychiatric illnesses or disturbance, no matter what's discovered, the idea that mental illness should remain in the ghetto as a non-condition is completely underlined by Szasz's reasoning. So, if we discover something physical that is behind psychiatric symptoms, it's taken away from mental illness, it's taken away from psychiatry.

And there's Dr. Szasz on the sideline saying,"Well, all psychiatry does is treat conditions that aren't real. Psychiatrists don't treat real conditions." But he by definition removes them from psychiatry. It's an entirely circular logic. And it's based on a radical mind-body dualism that came from Rene Descartes[1] essentially, and has really been sort of shoved to the side in terms of a modern understanding of medicine.

But as you can see, it really is simply about definitions. What is illness? What isn't? How am I going to define this as a real illness or not. And am I going to take this away from you or not? It's not about the actual essence of what we're talking about. It's not about what a person with an illness or a disease or a condition or a symptom is experiencing, or how that is affecting them, or how they are able to function with it, or what is the appropriate treatment, or not. It's all about definition. And that's really all Szasz has to say.

Szasz doesn't deny psychiatric symptoms. He doesn't pretend that there are no such thing as psychiatric symptoms. But he says that such symptoms like depression for example, or anxiety for example, would merely represent what he says it is, as a problem in living. Or else, if it's more behavioral, it could be a disagreeable or a problematic or a confusing or an inappropriate behavior that any of us are fully responsible for, as an adult human being.

So he's not of the opinion that we can have a psychiatric condition that can affect our behavior, it can affect our perception, it can affect our belief, and therefore, when we act on that, that we're in the throes of that illness, and that we're not responsible. He believes that all of this stuff, no matter what happens, is simply behavior that we're choosing at some level, that we're communicating with at some level, and that we're 100% responsible for it.

He would say that an auditory hallucination, and does say this, is simply someone experiencing their own thoughts, and describing them in a way as described as coming outside of their own head. So they're just, they're someone's own thoughts, it's nothing more than that. It's not a symptom of a more profound disturbance. It's just someone describing their own thoughts as coming from outside the head.

And paranoia, for Szasz, might be a mistaken belief chosen by someone, for a reason. And we're not sure what that reason is. But it's a choice. It's a belief. Someone is making that choice. Someone is choosing that belief that someone is wanting to follow them, hurt them, and that's all it is.

9:13 (End of Part 1)

[1] Hubbard dedicated Science of Survival to Descartes, among a score of famous thinkers or scientists and a couple of people Hubbard knew personally.

Wieber · **Joined:** Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 pm **Posts:** 8449

caroline wrote:

[1] Hubbard dedicated Science of Survival to Descartes, among a score of famous thinkers or scientists and a couple of people Hubbard knew personally.

I have a feeling about twenty people listed there would kick Hubbard to the curb if they ever had the displeasure of meeting him.

caroline · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:11 am

In this dispatch to GO intel acknowledging them for a package of data on psychiatrist Winfred Overholser, Hubbard refers them to Szasz's Manufacture of Madness regarding Ezra Pound.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

LETTER FROM LRH TO THE G.O.
28Feb72

Thank you for the excellent packaging of Oberholser (the late and very unlamented.) The interest in this bad hat stems from the fact that he blew the whistle on Dianetics when St. Elizabeth psychiatrists were just beginning to use it and were for the first time getting results on patients at the National Asylum. He forbade them to use it but they disagreed heavily and privately used it for many years under cover. This broke up introducing Dianetics on regular channels - May 1950.

Thereafter, a violent and gory attack was mounted. It was begun by Oberholser, went over to George Wash U. Psychology Department at once and there a student of the first Dianetics class (Dolly Jones) also a psychology student, was hypnotized, beaten, told to go crazy, did so and we had to hospitalize her.

We handled it so fast and so well no "Dianetics drove her crazy" could be campaigned and wasn't. This was the first hard flat out PR-Intelligence operation in Dianetics. Her state was not assisted by her husband, Col. Jones of US Army Intelligence, also a member of the first Dianetics Class.

From then on the NY Times Literary Section began an attack and a lot of violent track ran by which included DR. MEYER-ZELIG, a psychiatrist in San Francisco master-minding a kidnapping of me to fly me to St. Louis and be put away. His (Zelig's) plans miscarried.

MILES HOLLISTER, formerly a psych student, got hold of SARA NORTHRUP (really Komknoidominoff) (or ov) and handed her over to Zelig who put her in deep hypnosis, fixated her on the idea I was trying to kill her and spun her in, in which state she has remained since. This caused the final destruction of the HDRF [Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation] as national press only played up her divorce.

GENE BENTON, secretary of the Young Communist League and others, were part of this.

So you see why I am interested in this bad hat Oberholser. He struck the first blow.

You do have evidence re Ezra Pound. It is on pg 29 of "Manufacture of Madness." Oberholser's connection to WFMH has not been picked up in this review but exists I believe in the WFMH rosters.

We get a very out-pointy package on Oberholser: Majored in ECONOMICS. Six wks formal training as a head boiler, membership crossed to Council of Foreign Relations. All the best people and the "right societies" but they are very anti-Man.

Interest in Central-South America - that's a Rockefeller clue.

George Washington U altered and misreports my status to reporters. Once said I never went there now may have another tale.

This ties back to Oberholser by what you've dug up.

He is involved in Judicial degradations according to his works, fascinated with socking people in without trial. Siberia : Bill included.

Now, when we hit and wrecked his Siberia Bill, Oberholser must have revived pressure. That funny dead man Brock Chisholm (undoubtedly connected as same societies) is reported by NAMH head SA to have said (1958?) "Scientology is dangerous" and the attack on us suddenly went all out mounting up to the FDA raid and finally all the "bans."

Now WFMH is about to die, most of these old birds are carrion and we are making rapid headway once more.

From all this sorting out of detail I hazard that we ran into and hit a massive plan to escalate the destruction of human liberty by psychiatry and didn't just dent it but are now approaching a total wreckage of their political-judicial decimation of the world scene.

While this is just hitting the high spots it gives us a need. Continue to apply pressure and mop up. Dead agent the wild false statements of the 1950-1970 scene by pin-pointing the general villainy of the agencies concerned (AMA, FDA, WFMH, NAMH, APA and George Wash. U where govt clerks go to get degrees to be FBI, Justice Attorneys, FDA execs and others.)

Be alert that we have not omitted another spearhead that was also involved. Continue to look for NEW opposition and handle well.

This search was a good one. He (Oberholser) was a member of the Club.

Your work is appreciated.

The above 1 to 4 general plan is called to the attention of the GO.

Love, RON

Emphasis added.

Hubbard, L. R. (1972, 28 February). [Hubbard letter to the GO]. Retrieved on 23 July 2010 from http://www.freezone.org/timetrack/data/policies/1972-02-28.htm.

caroline · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:33 am

Hubbard relied on Szasz's ideas from Manufacture of Madness in this 1972 lecture to Sea Org executives and FEBC students.

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

In 1950 I was looking for group auditing because I was well aware of the fact that groups could get an engram, mutual. And group auditing has been experimented with and worked with from time to time, even on a continental level, in an effort to do something about this.

And what do you know, we finally have found what it is. It’s a wrong why that causes a group engram. And to de-engramize a group, all you have to do is do a complete, competent evaluation and find the right why and handle it correctly, and the group will dis-emote. This is quite remarkable. In other words, data analysis is third dynamic de-aberration and is as remarkable a technology as running engrams on the individual case. Interesting. The right why, the right why. So therefore, the aberrations of the planet are simply built on the wrong whys of yesteryear.

I’ll give you the most flagrant example of this in modern times that has any relationship to our field or activity. Psychiatry operates on a wrong why, and it gets itself into miserable trouble, and has miserable programs which are terribly unpopular. It thinks there’s a thing called mental disease and that that disease is a physiological thing. And Kraeplin’s chart, the largest chart, I have a copy of it here, gives all the diseases. It’s only on a little section of the last page that they say that something might be caused by purely environmental stresses. The rest of it is all physiological, insanity is physiological, schizophrenia is physiological, paranoia is physiological. It’s because the guy hasn’t eaten the right brand of beans or something of the sort, and they dabble around with this. Freud’s breakthrough was that it might have something to do with mental, but psychiatry at large has never really admitted to itself that this is the case.

So they have this thing called mental health. What the hell is this thing? Szasz, Dr. Thomas Szasz, exposes this in a very scholarly way in a terrifically well annotated, and cross-indexed and so on, set of books. He’s a marvel, he’s a psychiatrist, he does not believe in institutional psychiatry. And this is actually what it is.

And so therefore, they let the medical doctor into the mental field. And how did he get there? He got there about four and a half hundred years ago by saying that witches were actually possessed or not, whether it was physical or produced by demoniac possession or spells.

And the medical doctor, from that period to this, has been the hidden factor back of psychiatry.

Four and a half hundred years ago they called in the MD to find out whether or not the guy was physically ill or whether or not he was obsessed by demons. And if the medical doctor said he is physically ill, they treated him; and if he said he wasn’t really physically ill, they tortured the guy on the rack and burned him at the stake. And that’s been going on for four and a half hundred years and hasn’t stopped yet, and that’s basic psychiatric law.

”The Manufacture of Madness”, a whole book devoted by Szasz to this subject, and at first you believe this is just a gag, but no, the references are total. They were operating on a wrong why. There is no such thing as physical mental disease, and yet in every university the Psychology Department teaches people that they think with their brains. I was busy running this out the other day as a long series of locks, and you never saw anything so funny in your life. You keep blaming the prefrontal lobes and it makes them kind of hurt. All they are is just some meat. People have been told this so often that they become suspicious of this area of the body. Now, it is true in paresis, which is syphilis in its advanced stages, why, people get some weird states; they do, they get very weird states; but then perhaps it would just be the hiddeness of a disease and the cut off of any future procreation that would produce a mental response such as you get with that. There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that there is anything called a mental disease. So therefore, the whole of psychiatry is based on a wrong why, and the whole of civilization for four and a half hundred years has been tossed into dungeons, and tortured and burned at the stake, and electric shocked and pre-frontal lobotomied and put in ice packs and everything else. Wrong why.

Now, we come along and we find the right why, we find the right why, we find the remedies of this sort of thing. The fact that somebody might actually get cured and that they might be wrong is really what drove psychiatry down the spout, it wasn’t really our publicity.

They were so fixated on the fact that if we got loose with this idea, and they knew very well that we produced results and they didn’t, they knew that well. The only thing for which one can’t quite forgive them, they knew Scientology worked, they knew, they knew Dianetics worked, so that made their whole theory wrong and it drove them around the bend.

We had another theory, it worked. They were operating with this other theory, it didn’t work. So, they ceased to be able to broadcast with sincerity from their top echelon because somebody could catch them out, somebody had missed the withhold. They knew psychiatry didn’t work. Somebody missed the withhold. That’s what’s taken them down the drain.

Hubbard, L. R. (1972, 1 March). Esto's Instant Hat. Establishment Officer Series (ESTO-02). Lecture conducted from the Flagship Apollo.

caroline · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:05 pm

Transcript of Part 2

YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [2/6]

Informal transcript of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3czo_EAQplc, Dr. Stephen Wiseman wrote:

0:00

Dr. Wiseman: Ssasz this spring turned 90 years old, and is still going strong, is still writing.

His ideas in his extensive published works have not meaningfully or significantly changed since the 70 years he was adolescent. In other words, for the better part of a century, his ideas have essentially stayed static, and what he believed about mental illness and psychiatry as a teenager is exactly what he is still writing about today.

He's basically dismissed fifty years of development in neuroscience, since the publication of The Myth of Mental Illness, and he's basically not internalized or not learned from or not bought into the changes, the profound changes in our understanding of and treatment of medical conditions and psychiatric conditions over the past fifty years.

I want to examine some of these in a little bit more detail, to start to give some actual, sort of modern day examples of why Szasz's thinking breaks down, and what we really should be thinking today.

I want to talk about delirium.

And delirium in a medical point of view, from a medical point of view, is a significant disruption to higher sort of cortical brain physiology on account of a general medical condition, drug or medication effect, or withdrawal, or toxin exposure.

Basically delirium is a sort of a confused state, a state where someone's level of consciousness is fluctuating, where they may have disorientation, they may have perceptual abnormalities such as visual or auditory hallucinations. This is the condition where people are picking bugs out of the air, or picking bugs off their hospital clothes.

It can lead to misinterpretation of events around them, and paranoia. This is a condition where you can have what's called illusions where you're laying in your hospital bed and look at the clock. Instead of seeing the clock you see it kind of morph into, for example, a devil's head or a devil's face. You can become very scared and start to believe that there's something going on, that your life is in danger. And you can start acting upon that.

Delirium is actually quite dangerous. Certainly elderly people who are delirious in hospital, if you sort of plot what happens to them afterwards and well beyond when they recover and well beyond when they go home. Their mortality rate is considerably higher than those who haven't had delirium.

The treatment of delirium is to find and correct the underlying medical or physiological cause that is driving those symptoms, whether that be a drug that has been introduced, a drug that has been withdrawn, whether that has been complications from a surgery, whether someone had been on a cardiopulmonary bypass machine and is now delirious afterwards, whether someone is withdrawing from alcohol in hospital. You find the reason, the underlying medical reason, and you correct it.

But you also manage the symptoms using psychiatric medicine, and you keep that person comfortable and safe. And that may also include actually restraining someone, for their own safety. Someone is in the intensive care unit which is a frequent area where people become delirious. They can be highly disturbed, they can be pulling out lines, they can be pulling out wires. They can be putting themselves in a great deal of danger. And sometimes unfortunately, restraint does need to happen.

So, the thing with Szasz is that he would say there's no still specific tissue lesion, there's no demonstrable or measurable part of delirium that you can point a finger at. There's no specific type of disturbance that can be measured. And so maybe delirium is a myth. Maybe delirium is just like "mental illness" because you can't quantify it, you can't measure it. It's not there in a way that you can scan it and take an x-ray of it.

And that would probably be news to all of the surgeons and all the medical specialists who work very hard with these patients and who see delirium on a day-to-day basis.

Conversely, Szasz might actually argue that in delirium, these hallucinations and this paranoia does have a medical cause. Maybe he is going to buy into the fact that there is a physiological disturbance underlying these symptoms. And maybe he's going to buy that.

But then he's in a situation where he'll go to someone with schizophrenia and he'll say, "Well, your hallucinations and your paranoia are identical to the delirious person's, but yours are a myth. They're not based on any problem in your brain. They're not based on any physiological disturbance. That's you having a problem in living. But this person over here in the ICU with the exact same symptoms, well that's based on a medical condition, that's based on a disruption of the physiology of your neurons in your brain right now.

And I can imagine Szasz in court being cross examined: "Well which of these hallucinations, Doctor, is caused by physiological disturbance? What about that hallucination? What about this paranoia? What about paranoia in that person? So this one is a myth, this one is a problem with living, Doctor? That what you're saying is that this one is a physiological disturbance based on delirium?"

It falls apart, and it makes sense, and either these types of symptoms arise from genuine real physiological disruption of brain functioning or they're a problem of living. But you can't have identical symptoms and identical behavioral disturbances at times with the origin of one being a myth and the origin of another being a medical condition. It makes no sense. And to my knowledge Szasz has not really talked a lot about delirium, and I can understand why.

Another example that's kind of similar is if Thomas Szasz and I were in this office together right now, and somehow we decided to smoke a whole lot of crystal meth, and then for good riddance we decide to follow that by using a bunch of ketamine to come down. There's a good chance that along the way, one or both of us would become agitated, or impulsive, or paranoid, or starting to hallucinate. There's a good chance. The reason why is because of the specific effects of the molecules of the crystal methamphetamine and the molecules of the ketamine at specific receptors in our brains. So we would have these psychiatric symptoms because of the physiological, the specific physiological effects of those particular drugs, those particular molecules, these particular receptors, and particular areas of the brain. We wouldn't become paranoid and hallucinate if we were sitting here drinking herbal tea. It's not about doing a behavior that leads to this. It's due to specific molecules having a specific effect.

9:05 (end of Part 2)

caroline · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:34 pm

Transcript of Part 3

YouTube - Dr. Steve Wiseman Investigates Thomas Szasz Scientology [3/6]

Informal transcript of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cTG7hSY9dc, Dr. Stephen Wiseman wrote:

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But if you have someone, let's say, who develops the same symptoms of agitation, of hallucination, of paranoia, of sleeplessness, and let's say that person hasn't done crystal meth, hasn't done ketamine, and hasn't done any drugs whatsoever, what would Szasz say about that?

I think that he would probably say that there's no evidence that those symptoms in that person are caused by abnormal activity at any brain receptors. He'll say there's no evidence. You can't scan it. You can't measure it. You can't see it on an x-ray. So therefore it's not there. Therefore it's not an illness. Therefore it's a problem in living. Therefore someone's choosing it. Therefore it's a behavior.

So again you've got identical symptoms that on one hand can clearly and are clearly and do clearly get caused by physiological disturbance, physiological activity, in this case drugs. And you've got other symptoms that are identical, that Szasz would shrug his shoulders and say, "Well, they may be identical, but there's, I don't see a physiological thing, therefore it's completely separate."

And that truly makes no sense. In reality, in this hospital around me right now, and in dozens of other hospitals all over North America, many, many people with substance-induced psychotic symptoms are effectively managed, effectively treated and effectively kept safe by psychiatrists and the colleagues of psychiatrists.

Our colleagues in neurology are experts in their field, and I would certainly have nothing against a neurologist looking after me or anyone else that I cared for. But most neurologists would not think for a minute that they were particularly qualified or particularly prepared to treat acute psychosis arising from the use of drugs or from delirium. These are physiological causes of the psychotic symptomatology, but no neurologist that I know of would want to own that. That is the realm of the psychiatrist.

And that really shows how out of touch Szasz is, in terms of what his understanding of what a psychiatrist does.

Every day in this hospital and elsewhere, our colleagues in surgery and medicine call psychiatrists, call teams of psychiatrists to assess and manage delirium on the surgical wards and on the medical wards. That includes identifying the physiological and the medical sources of the symptoms as they are being treated. Psychiatrists are the expert in that.

Szasz's rigid categorization of symptoms and problems as either mind-based; i.e., mental illness or mythical illness; or brain- or body-based, is simply a non-entity in modern medical practice.

The question is do you want to understand and help a patient or do you want to fight over particular words or particular definitions of illness or treatment? And I think that the answer is pretty clear.

Just looking at some other examples of illness, and the modern idea of illness, and there being a whole lot of different ways of looking at it other than Szasz's, that are perhaps a lot more appropriate, we get to hypertension or high blood pressure.

In hypertension, you can't see it, there's no tissue pathology, you only can measure it on a continuous scale, when you go to the pharmacy, or you go in to see your doctor. And the definition of the condition is purely committee-driven decision.

Do you have the disease of hypertension when your blood pressure is 130 on 80? Do you have it when your blood pressure is 135 on 85? Do you have it if one of those figures is taken in the pharmacy and the other one is taken in the doctor's office? Do you have it if one of those figures is taken at home? How many assessments do you need at a certain level before you make the diagnosis? Is it just one time of an elevated blood pressure? Is it three times? Is it ten times? These are all questions that have been settled essentially by committees of experts looking at data and figuring out where to draw the lines.

In Szasz's world, hypertension is not an illness. Yet it's something that millions and millions of people are treated for every single day. Billions of dollars are spent on medications and other treatments for it. And it's an extremely important part of every day medical practice.

Same thing with cholesterol levels. What are the currently accepted guidelines for appropriate cholesterol and lipid levels? Have they changed over the past fifteen or twenty years? Absolutely. Have they gone up, the cut-offs? Have they gone down? Will they stay the same today, tomorrow? What will they be in twenty years?

In Szasz's world, we're inventing illness. We don't look at cholesterol under a microscope and say, "There it is, there's the problem." We define, ourselves, what is a reasonable or healthy or normal level of cholesterol and we go from there. But that changes, that shifts, and there's nothing physiologically different between a level of X and a level of X plus .002. But that may be the difference in whether you're treated or not, whether you're diagnosed or not.

It's also interesting to look at some of our medical colleagues in cardiology, and their interest in one of our conditions or illnesses: depression. What they've found over the years is that the presence or absence of depression is one of the strongest indicators of how well someone does, or will do, after having a heart attack. Even with the exact same heart attack, and the exact same physiological function, and the exact same lesion in one's heart, and the exact same problem with the heart muscle, the patient with depression is going to have a greater risk of dying from a cardiovascular-related disease, going forward, than the person without depression. And cardiologists now see depression as a cardiac risk factor.

And what they do is they treat depression and they ask psychiatrists to consult and to treat depression. Because what the cardiologist wants more than anything is his or her patient to not have another heart attack, and to be well from a cardiac point of view.

So even though the hearts are exactly the same, it's the presence and absence of depression that makes the difference in terms of how well someone will do from a cardiac point of view.

That's modern medicine. And that's the reason why members of my department work very, very closely with members of the Department of Cardiology in taking care of patients. And Thomas Szasz has nothing to say about that.

8:31 (end of Part 3)

Dr. Stephen Wiseman at CPA Conference in Toronto Sept 23-26

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