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Note: Former CoS member Lisa Hamilton is circulating an open letter to David Miscavige. This letter illustrates the nature of what is happening as former members speak out against the injustices of The Church of Scientology and its leader David Miscavige. Please add your comments on Lisa's letter.

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Mike Rinder on Lisa Hamilton:

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Lisa was a stable terminal for many staff and public in the LA area, in fact, across the entire Western United States. In that part of the world, if you said Senior HCO the person that came to mind was Lisa. A 22 year Sea Org Veteran, she was respected, admired and loved for her ability to apply standard tech (especially ethics) to those she was working to help. And that is perhaps the one word that sums her up – help. For the benefit of the individual. She left the Sea Org with her husband in 2008. She explains why. This is an “on the ground” report of how the C of M has perverted Scientology. If you know Lisa, you will also know that this is utterly devoid of hype or overstatement.

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ref: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... /#comments

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INTERROGATORY HCO PL 29 APRIL 1965, Issue III, ETHICS REVIEW

“10. Investigating a person by interrogating others about him.” – LRH


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On 6 July 2010, I wrote a personal communication to David Miscavige to offer him assistance to get his ethics in. The comm in its entirety follows here:

6 July 2010

**NOTE: My FIRST point of communication here is to those who will try to stop this comm from going to COB. From experience, this does happen and I know it. So, if I do not receive a communication back from COB himself in a reasonable amount of time (by 20 July 2010), I will assume it is stopped and get it to him by some other means. So, DO NOT stop it. If you do, I will consider that you have broken the law and are tampering with the US mail.

I AM SERIOUS. THIS LETTER BETTER GET TO COB’S HANDS – AS-IS.


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Lisa Hamilton's letter of 6 July 2010 to Mr. David Miscavige, COB RTC:

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This is Lisa Hamilton writing to you. I am no longer in the SO, but was in Senior HCO PAC for 11 years (from 1997 – 2008) as Senior I&R PAC and Senior HAS PAC. I attended the Senior HAS Conference you hosted at Flag. I was and am a widely-known, well-respected and trusted Ethics terminal. My training is Ethics Specialist, Executive Data Series Evaluator, OEC/FEBC, Stat Analysis, Scientology Minister, Hubbard Consultant, Fully Hatted Esto, Mission School 2nd Class and more. I know my successes, I know my failures and I have tried, always to be honest, trustworthy and open AND to admit to my errors and change things for the better where I could.

This letter is NOT an attack, but an offer of assistance to you. I am not here to judge you or to condemn you. I am here to offer you a safe terminal to go to for assistance and for help in turning the current scene in Scientology around.

This will probably seem preposterous to you – me a lowly ex-SO veteran, offering you, COB, a hand. But be that as it may, it IS that sincerely. On an Ethics Review gradient, I am also taking a VERY light gradient here, but know that without honest action and change, this will QUICKLY go up the Ethics and Justice gradients – and I know how to apply those standardly. This may seem like it will have no effect, but as you know LRH himself mentions calling a Committee of Evidence on widely known non-Scientologists to effect change. So, as you ARE a high-ranking and widely-known Sea Org Scientologist, this WILL have an effect even more so.

My point is not to threaten you, but to show that I am serious and intend to bring about change for the better for Scientology and the Sea Org. With you or without you.

Look, you have the intelligence to see what is happening. You have the knowledge and the responsibility to do some self-inspection, admit where you are wrong and change the way things are going. If you are above 2.0 on the Tone Scale, you will take this to heart and you will look and take this opportunity to be the great man you CAN be and lead Scientology to a real golden age – not a pumped up and fake one.

You have, seemingly, many stellar wins and accomplishments to your credit. You also, now, seem to have perhaps accomplished those by suppressing others to do so. Is THIS how you want to go down in history? Is THIS what you want to report back to LRH? Do you REALLY want to see those who WANT to suppress people win? I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here and saying “NO” – but really, it is up to you.

To execute this will take you operating at Tone 40 – at this stage of the game, 4.0 on the Chart of Human Evaluation is WAY too slow. Yes, you will HAVE to do this smartly and yes, you will have to execute LRH Ethics exactly. You will need to decide what your current condition is and start applying that condition TO THE LETTER.

Hopefully you have a trusted Ethics terminal you can work with. At this point, you need to establish who you can and cannot trust. You need to drastically change the scene up at Int and build a team of on-policy, in-ethics, execs – not sadistic ass kissers.

At one point, I considered Kirsten at OSA Int a very in-ethics and trusted terminal. I wrote her, but have not yet heard back. I do think, if given the chance, she would be very willing to work with you to get the Sea Org and Scientology back on track.

Again, I am here for you to communicate to as an Ethics terminal, if you need or want to. I do expect some acknowledgment to this comm and if positive changes are happening, I will hear about it through my comm lines. If no change or no answer, I WILL take further Ethics/Justice gradients. I am hoping I need to do neither.

Maybe I am wrong about you wanting to change the way things are going. Maybe you will dismiss this as me being “crazy”. Whatever you do, don’t underestimate my ability to get Ethics in. Because I will.

Sincerely,

Lisa Hamilton

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Lisa Hamilton:

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Based on lack of response and apparent lack of change, I am issuing the below interrogatory and am requesting that this be filled out by those who have data and sent to the email address of: l.hamilton@rocketmail.com.... Your answers will be used for further Justice actions taken. My only requirement is that you use your real name so any report you send can be verified. Your name can be kept confidential until such time of any further ethics/justice action and the named person or persons are to be confronted with reports.


Lisa Hamilton:

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ETHICS INTERROGATORY
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Please answer the following questions completely and with specifics. State if you heard or personally witnessed or were involved with something. If you heard it from someone, state who, and where possible, give their email address. On your answers, be sure you include all names, times, places and details. If others were involved in these reported actions, give their names and any post titles as well. Answers may include Non-Scientologists as well. Make sure your answers are complete and not generalities.

You may have reported on these points earlier, but still give data in a new unit of time. or you can attach your earlier report as long as it is numbered as to which question you are answering.

1. Do you know of any instances of the above terminal forcing or bringing pressure to bear on yourself or another to disconnect from a close friend or family member?

2. Do you know of any instances of the above terminal mis-using funds, being extravagant or using funds not for their stated purpose?

3. Have you known of any instances where the above terminal used his position or power to coerce or intimidate another or others to lie, participate in out-ethics actions, Crimes or High Crimes? State specific Crime or High Crime.

4. Do you know of any instances where the above terminal violated a law of the land? Be sure to give what law exactly when reporting this. State whether it is a Misdemeanor, Crime or Felony.

5. Do you know of any instances where the above terminal was involved in misconduct or destruction on the second dynamic?

6. Do you know of any instances of Out-Tech/Off-Policy committed, ordered or enforced by the above terminal? This is to include any altering or deleting of actual LRH Ethics, Tech or Admin references. It can include any instances of “applying” Tech without a Certificate or High Crimes done or forwarding a Hidden Data Line.

7. Are you aware of any instances where the above terminal covered up some flagrant out-ethics in others or himself? How was it covered up?

8. Do you know of any instances of violence either this person has either committed, been a party to or ordered?

9. Have you observed any specific lies or third party from this person that lead to the discipline or disrepute of another or others?

10. Do you know of any invalidation of another person’s case state or gains?

11. Are you aware of any false stats, false reports or false attestations?

12. Do you have any other information on the above terminal or others they are involved with that is key for further Justice action?

Please feel free to pass this Interrogatory on to others who may not have seen it, but who possibly have information – whether in or out of Scientology, in or out of the Sea Org or on or off Staff. Let those persons know that they could become Interested Parties in a Justice action if they have information, but do not themselves report any knowledge of it. Let them know, they will be helped to handle their own ethics if they step forward now, but will receive full penalties if they do not and will become Interested Parties.

Thank you for your participation.

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Blogging "open letters" serve little purpose other than catharsis.
But, yes, it gives an insight into former member's thinking.

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I don't think she has the tiniest bit of understanding of what a sociopath is.

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Someone needs to write a book, namely a compilation of horror stories. This open letter is a start, but Lisa also needs to start collecting from elsewhere.

This Lisa Hamilton posted regularly on ask.com answering questions about Scientology on behalf of the church. I certainly wouldn't criticize her, and I feel sorry for those who feel the need to criticize and did not appreciate their gains from auditing. Now if you will excuse me, I need another toke from my crack pipe.

* edit * actually that was Laurie Hamilton on ask.com. I will have to see if she is still there.

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What a load. Lisa Hamilton has no authority to send out this crap, or to threaten "Justice" action and penalties for non-compliance. Or if she has "authority" it's from someone who means wogs no good. Don't answer it people. This is intel gathering for Rathbun's underground Ethics Department. Whether the intel goes ultimately to Rathbun or DM himself, this is why people should be protesting *.Scientology.

Ms. Hamilton has Rinder's stamp of approval, and he worked for years to destroy wogs' lives. So did she, because that's what Scientology ethics terminals do.

Marty, Mike, and all their posse have signaled that they still embrace Scientology's war on wogs. Marty's references to famous wogs are to cloak his contempt for us. It is impossible to be a Scientologist of long duration and not be contemptuous of wogs because that's a key valuable final product of doing Scientology and keeping it working. If Scientologists saw wogs as their equals, this would mean that Scientology didn't work, and all Scientologists insist that it works.

In their contempt for wogs like us, Marty and Mike, et al. execute Miscavige's command intention for them. They might not be carrying out Miscavige's command intention when they target him as the who for Scientology's evil; although even that is in question. They were, after all, doing and ordering just that as "Loyalists" at least since 1984.

There is, however, no question that they serve DM's command intention by much of what they're now doing and saying, or not doing and not saying. So does Ms. Hamilton, and until she rejects Scientology and its unjust, antisocial "justice" actions and system, do not support her.

Lisa Hamilton wrote:
ETHICS INTERROGATORY
DAVID MISCAVIGE (COB RTC)


Please answer the following questions completely and with specifics. State if you heard or personally witnessed or were involved with something. If you heard it from someone, state who, and where possible, give their email address. On your answers, be sure you include all names, times, places and details. If others were involved in these reported actions, give their names and any post titles as well. Answers may include Non-Scientologists as well. Make sure your answers are complete and not generalities.

You may have reported on these points earlier, but still give data in a new unit of time. or you can attach your earlier report as long as it is numbered as to which question you are answering.

1. Do you know of any instances of the above terminal forcing or bringing pressure to bear on yourself or another to disconnect from a close friend or family member?

2. Do you know of any instances of the above terminal mis-using funds, being extravagant or using funds not for their stated purpose?

3. Have you known of any instances where the above terminal used his position or power to coerce or intimidate another or others to lie, participate in out-ethics actions, Crimes or High Crimes? State specific Crime or High Crime.

4. Do you know of any instances where the above terminal violated a law of the land? Be sure to give what law exactly when reporting this. State whether it is a Misdemeanor, Crime or Felony.

5. Do you know of any instances where the above terminal was involved in misconduct or destruction on the second dynamic?

6. Do you know of any instances of Out-Tech/Off-Policy committed, ordered or enforced by the above terminal? This is to include any altering or deleting of actual LRH Ethics, Tech or Admin references. It can include any instances of “applying” Tech without a Certificate or High Crimes done or forwarding a Hidden Data Line.

7. Are you aware of any instances where the above terminal covered up some flagrant out-ethics in others or himself? How was it covered up?

8. Do you know of any instances of violence either this person has either committed, been a party to or ordered?

9. Have you observed any specific lies or third party from this person that lead to the discipline or disrepute of another or others?

10. Do you know of any invalidation of another person’s case state or gains?

11. Are you aware of any false stats, false reports or false attestations?

12. Do you have any other information on the above terminal or others they are involved with that is key for further Justice action?

Please feel free to pass this Interrogatory on to others who may not have seen it, but who possibly have information – whether in or out of Scientology, in or out of the Sea Org or on or off Staff. Let those persons know that they could become Interested Parties in a Justice action if they have information, but do not themselves report any knowledge of it. Let them know, they will be helped to handle their own ethics if they step forward now, but will receive full penalties if they do not and will become Interested Parties.

Thank you for your participation.

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What a load. Lisa Hamilton has no authority to send out this crap, or to threaten "Justice" action and penalties for non-compliance.

She thinks she's applying that "chain lightning" she believes in (Hubbard's "Ethics Tech") and thinks that it should work on David Miscavige, too. After all, Hubbard said so:

L. Ron Hubbturd wrote:
"Committees of Evidence work."
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"Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only disciplines those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they can eventually win too-but not by hurting us.

"A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will continue to be too enturbulated to do his job."
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"So therefore we must use Scientology tech, admin and justice in all our affairs. No matter how mad it sounds, we only fail when we don't."


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While Lisa's Ethics Interrogatory of DM may not mean anything out here, it has meaning to Scientologists. Therefore, if it causes more people to leave The Church of Scientology then it serves a useful function.

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That was a great feature, Swift. Except one thing: Scientologists normally speak with a more robotic voice than yours do. :lol:

Edit - I watched your other cartoons, all great! Question, what was the subject of your "Perfect Butts" cartoon? Is there a Sci spa ripping people off or does it refer to something else?

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Sea Horse wrote:
She thinks she's applying that "chain lightning" she believes in (Hubbard's "Ethics Tech") and thinks that it should work on David Miscavige, too. After all, Hubbard said so:

L. Ron Hubbturd wrote:
"Committees of Evidence work."
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"Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only disciplines those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they can eventually win too-but not by hurting us.

"A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will continue to be too enturbulated to do his job."
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"So therefore we must use Scientology tech, admin and justice in all our affairs. No matter how mad it sounds, we only fail when we don't."



Good point, Sea Horse. Also see HCOPL Ethics Review for the ethics gradients. Her next step according to the policy she's applying is "13. Assigning a lowered condition by limited publication." Pretty mild for a violent felon.

Sending out this interog on Miscavige is Hamilton's assertion of her ethics authority over him, and of her ethics authority over everyone to whom she's sending this interog.

Lisa Hamilton wrote:
Please feel free to pass this Interrogatory on to others who may not have seen it, but who possibly have information – whether in or out of Scientology, in or out of the Sea Org or on or off Staff. Let those persons know that they could become Interested Parties in a Justice action if they have information, but do not themselves report any knowledge of it. Let them know, they will be helped to handle their own ethics if they step forward now, but will receive full penalties if they do not and will become Interested Parties.


She stated her objective in her 6 July 2010 letter to DM:

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My point is not to threaten you, but to show that I am serious and intend to bring about change for the better for Scientology and the Sea Org. With you or without you.


Hamilton knows her action and objective are preposterous. No one outside the Sea Org has ethics authority over Sea Org members. Why didn't Hamilton send out an interog on DM when she was Senior HCO PAC? What's even more preposterous is that she is claiming ethics authority over other people "who possibly have information – whether in or out of Scientology, in or out of the Sea Org or on or off Staff."

Hamilton is assuming ethics authority over the planet! Who is going to help her dole out the penalties for non-compliance? Rathbun and Rinder? Steve Hall?

The truth is that Hamilton has never had any such authority, and her misassumption of such authority is to the detriment of everyone, herself included. Imo, she is deluded, dazzled by her own hubris, and, if she isn't on a covert op, was probably manipulated into this "ethics action" by the usual disorganized suspects.

Rathbun and Rinder are on board with this madness, whether actual or manufactured.

This is not about DM of course. This is about collecting more people who have natter on DM. Rathbun and Rinder want the intel, and they want (and need) more people to help them with their actual or DM-approved Loyalist "coup."

Scientology does not and cannot ever effectively deal with its own power-hungry sociopaths because the SP doctrine effectively hides and protects them. It hid Hubbard, it has hidden DM, and it hides Rathbun and Rinder.

Now that I think about it, if Hamilton would send out interogs on Rathbun and Rinder, and threatened Scientologists and wogs with becoming Interested Parties in a Justice action if they have information on R and R but do not themselves report any knowledge of it, that might be an ethics gradient that could have an actual effect.


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Hamilton knows her action and objective are preposterous.

Caroline, I do not think it is preposterous to ask for evidence of DM's crimes, particularly if Indies have connections to law enforcement. Any actual data collected on DM has no value unless it is given the authorities or published online to expose his actions.

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This is not about DM of course. This is about collecting more people who have natter on DM. Rathbun and Rinder want the intel, and they want (and need) more people to help them with their actual or DM-approved Loyalist "coup."

With all due respect, why would DM want this kind of coup where he is exposed as a physically abusive dictator and CoS itself exposed as an insane, fascist organization? For example, Marty just came out and said that OT IX and OT X do not exist. He denounced the levels as a fraud and a contrivance of Pat Broeker. What Marty said is staggering because it ends the Bridge at OT VIII forever. From a purely CoS perspective alone, that is a huge loss of future income if this is all part of a coup as you argue. I rather see it as an admission that OT VIII is the best CoS can deliver -- and this is on top of numerous OT VII's and VIII's blowing. Why would a manufactured coup end the Bridge at VIII and write off future income from OT XIII -- XV? Marty's revelation fits the theory: OT IX and OT X have never been released because they do not exist in any form that can be sold.

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Scientology does not and cannot ever effectively deal with its own power-hungry sociopaths because the SP doctrine effectively hides and protects them. It hid Hubbard, it has hidden DM, and it hides Rathbun and Rinder.

Freedom Magazine just spent 95 pages trashing Anderson Cooper, Mike, Marty, and many other Indies. Tommy Davis just trashed the Headley's and Marty in his letter to the SP Times. Freedom Rag and OSA have attacked Amy Scobee, Tom De Vocht, Marc and Claire, Jeff Hawkins, Nancy Many, and many other Indies and non-Indy former SO. Many of the Indies have had the contents of their folders used against them. The Headley's valiantly tried to prove that human trafficking exists inside of Sea Org. As I see it, the Indies and other former SO are locked in the fight of their lives against an oppressive regime that is quite willing to destroy all of them. Whether it is able to is another matter.

The SP Doctrine is not protecting or hiding any of the Indies or any other former SO. In fact, yet another book is slated to come out exposing David Miscavige, OSA, and indicting CoS in general. This is Jeff Hawkins' book.

I don't see any of this as a part of a coup. I see all of what is happening as a genuine schism in which a the Cult of DM is being exposed as such.

Caroline, do you think that DM and OSA have anything less than pure blind hatred for Marty and Mike and the rest of the Indies and former SO and OT's who are all speaking out?


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I see no problem if Lisa Hamilton wants to send out questionnaires to Scientologists (COSers and Indies) asking for information about Miscavige. I’m sure there is more to know.

The problem is that she infuses her communications with threats. She is ordering the recipients of her various missives to comply with her demands or face "full penalties." Is she nuts? What is she talking about? She tries to create an aura of having power and “ethics authority” over everyone inside and outside of Scientology that receives her messages. It’s a turn-off. I think many people leave Scientology to get away from exactly that kind of thing. It’s what Miscavige does.

Lisa, you’re in the wog world now. For all of its serious problems, it’s still a better place than the Scientology world, and always has been. It’s time to learn to ask for things nicely. Learn how to say “please."


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Hamilton knows her action and objective are preposterous. No one outside the Sea Org has ethics authority over Sea Org members.


Nobody has ethics authority over Sea Ogres except the Sea Ogres themselves (unless they do something that could get them prosecuted or sued in criminal courts).

They've just given that authority to Co$ and Hubbard's insane, paranoid system to control members' lives. Hopefully they will realize that is preposterous.

It sounds like Hamilton is another of the exes, like Marty, who still thinks Miscavige is the root of all evil, spoiling the legacy of the benevolent and wise Hubbard. Until the effects of the Kool-Aid wear off, they will continue to make bizarre pronouncements based on their equally bizarre belief system.


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caroline wrote:
Hamilton knows her action and objective are preposterous.

Caroline, I do not think it is preposterous to ask for evidence of DM's crimes, particularly if Indies have connections to law enforcement. Any actual data collected on DM has no value unless it is given the authorities or published online to expose his actions.


Law enforcement doesn't need Lisa Hamilton to threaten would-be witnesses into coming forward. DM's victims have been talking about his violent and antisocial behavior for many years. There's no evidence to suggest that law enforcement is outsourcing their criminal investigation of Scientology to these Scientologists. Besides, don't Rathbun and Rinder already have enough evidence on DM to go to law enforcement? :roll: Where are their interogs?

I'm sure that among the many disorganized Scientologists there are some with connections to law enforcement. I have seen no evidence, however, that any are reporting Scientology's crimes to their law enforcement connections. New leader Rathbun has stated rather emphatically that he would *not* go to the FBI, which would be the proper law enforcement agency to go to.

J. Swift, it's pretty odd to suggest that Hamilton's interog has some relation to a legitimate investigation by legitimate authorities. Where's law enforcement's authorization? At least the original Loyalists had fake authorizations, like this one:
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No, Hamilton didn't state that she's going to go to law enforcement with the intelligence she gathers. She's applying her Hubbard ethics tech.

Arnie Lerma posted an undated report from "Scientology Insider" about Hamilton's application of ethics tech:

Scientology Insider wrote:
The typical Committee of Evidence goes like this. An order comes down from some senior staff member to 'kick someone out' or 'put someone's ethics in' or 'handle' someone. The outcome of the committee is known before the charade takes place. Someone makes up a list of particulars -- alleged 'crimes' the person has committed. They are usually inane and silly. Like the person complained about the air conditioning being broken or the elevator not working. This is made out to be a 'high crime' -- spreading malicious rumors about senior Scientologists. The senior management are extremely hyper-sensitive to any criticism. Say something negative about David Miscavige or write a report critical of management and you will get into a lot of trouble pretty quickly in L.A.

As you are getting into trouble you may run in to Lisa Hamilton, the Director of Inspections and Reports for the Continental Liaison Office Western US. She is about 5' 4", has medium length, medium brown hair. Seems very cordial. She is there to extract information from people about other people. Often the only way a person can get out of trouble with Scientology and avoid being kicked out and shunned is to rat on another Scientologist. Lisa is the one who gently urges people to 'give the dirt' about their friends. She also likes to have people call other people in a very friendly manner while she listens in on the conversations.


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Lawrence Woodcraft wrote a declaration dated 24 January 2001 about Hamilton and her ethics application:

Lawrence Woodcraft wrote:
12. I wrote a letter to the International Justice Chief and requested a hearing over what had happened. This was denied and I was told I would have to be interviewed by a church employee called Lisa Hamilton. I went in to the Los Angeles Head Scientology Office for this in Oct 2000. I had an interview, which was conducted with me connected to an e-meter (presumably in an attempt to see if I was being truthful.) Among other things, I was asked to list all my friends who were scientologists, what conversations I had had with them, what if any articles I had posted on the Internet, had I ever been on the Internet, had I ever seen anti-scientology web-sites, who was my service provider, what was my screen name. I was asked at length questions about the circumstances under which my daughters left the church. I was told that I would have to attend many more such interviews and purchase “security checks” (invasive interrogation) so they could get to the bottom of what was going on. I declined to attend unlimited interviews; for one thing I had to concentrate my efforts on rebuilding my business, with two daughters and a granddaughter to support, while a concerted attempt had been made to cause me financial ruin.

http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=110


Here's an anonymous report forwarded to Tory by someone who mentioned Hamilton's rollback tech ca. 2002.

Hamilton knows, of course, that she and the other Loyalists could easily be found guilty of High Crimes if the tables were turned and they were made Interested Parties in Scientology "justice" actions. Some examples:

L. Ron Hubbard in Introduction to Scientology Ethics wrote:
Public disavowal of Scientology or Scientologists in good standing with Scientology organizations.

Public statements against Scientology or Scientologists but not to Committees of Evidence duly convened.

Reporting or threatening to report Scientology or Scientologists to civil authorities in an effort to suppress Scientology or Scientologists from practicing or receiving standard Scientology.

Writing anti-Scientology letters to the press or giving anti-Scientology or anti-Scientologist data to the press.


Hubbard, L. R. (1968-1998) Introduction to Scientology Ethics. (1998 ed., pp. 294-307.) Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.


Hamilton must also be familiar with Hubbard's writing regarding the non-workability of Scientology outside of official control:

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:
4. It must be kept in mind and brought forward emphatically that Scientology does not work in the absence of official control and, no matter who sought to use its principles, has uniformly failed in the hands of non-Scientologists and organizations not controlled by the Central Organizations of Scientology or myself.

Hubbard, L. R. (1965, 14 June). Politics, Freedom From. Organization Executive Course Basic Staff Volume 0 (1991 ed., Vol. 0, pp. 159). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.


So, is she now saying with Rathbun that "The church is dead man" and that they (the Loyalists) are the official control? Pfft?! Just like that?

Lisa Hamilton wrote:
It is true that Mark and I blew from the Sea Org in July 2008. At this point, I am not going to get into a lot of specifics as to why, but I felt that I could no longer fulfill my responsibilities as a Sea Org member and maintain my own personal integrity unless I stated what I know.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/lisa-hamilton-speaks/


Now that's weird. She can't maintain her personal integrity unless she states what she knows. Yet she hasn't stated almost anything she knows from her years inside the cult, and isn't ready to state what she knows. But she's demanding the rest of us report to her on what we know? Preposterous. You do the interog, Lisa, and let's see what you've got.

To DM, Lisa Hamilton wrote:
This will probably seem preposterous to you – me a lowly ex-SO veteran, offering you, COB, a hand. But be that as it may, it IS that sincerely. On an Ethics Review gradient, I am also taking a VERY light gradient here, but know that without honest action and change, this will QUICKLY go up the Ethics and Justice gradients – and I know how to apply those standardly. This may seem like it will have no effect, but as you know LRH himself mentions calling a Committee of Evidence on widely known non-Scientologists to effect change. So, as you ARE a high-ranking and widely-known Sea Org Scientologist, this WILL have an effect even more so.


Hamilton knew that her actions would seem ineffective. Nevertheless, she referred DM to what Hubbard wrote in HCOPL 27 March 1965 Justice of Scientology Its Use and Purpose Being a Scientologist (posted above by Sea Horse.)

Hamilton undoubtedly knows how to apply Hubbard's Ethics Review gradients. With the information already out there, she doesn't need an interog for the purpose she states.

J. Swift wrote:
Caroline earlier wrote:
This is not about DM of course. This is about collecting more people who have natter on DM. Rathbun and Rinder want the intel, and they want (and need) more people to help them with their actual or DM-approved Loyalist "coup."

With all due respect, why would DM want this kind of coup where he is exposed as a physically abusive dictator and CoS itself exposed as an insane, fascist organization?


Scientology has long been exposed as a totalitarian organization and a threat to democratic society. Rathbun and his Derailroad Co. are giving away very little new of value, as much as they'd like their followers to believe otherwise.

There's no evidence to suggest a coup would succeed. But of course a failed "coup" has benefits that DM would want, not the least of which is intel that the Loyalists are gathering on his and Scientology's victims.

J. Swift wrote:
For example, Marty just came out and said that OT IX and OT X do not exist. He denounced the levels as a fraud and a contrivance of Pat Broeker. What Marty said is staggering because it ends the Bridge at OT VIII forever. From a purely CoS perspective alone, that is a huge loss of future income if this is all part of a coup as you argue. I rather see it as an admission that OT VIII is the best CoS can deliver -- and this is on top of numerous OT VII's and VIII's blowing. Why would a manufactured coup end the Bridge at VIII and write off future income from OT XIII -- XV? Marty's revelation fits the theory: OT IX and OT X have never been released because they do not exist in any form that can be sold.


Marty saying OT IX and X don't exist is a welcome admission to many who still have hopes of becoming Übermenschen, but Rathbun's "revelation" is actually a no-brainer. When did he find out? In any case, nothing Rathbun's come out with has been staggering, like Jason Beghe's "Show me a $E^%$&^%$^*Clear" is welcome, but not staggering.

J. Swift wrote:
Caroline earlier wrote:
Scientology does not and cannot ever effectively deal with its own power-hungry sociopaths because the SP doctrine effectively hides and protects them. It hid Hubbard, it has hidden DM, and it hides Rathbun and Rinder.


Freedom Magazine just spent 95 pages trashing Anderson Cooper, Mike, Marty, and many other Indies. Tommy Davis just trashed the Headley's and Marty in his letter to the SP Times. Freedom Rag and OSA have attacked Amy Scobee, Tom De Vocht, Marc and Claire, Jeff Hawkins, Nancy Many, and many other Indies. Many of the Indies have had the contents of their folders used against them. The Headley's valiantly tried to prove that human trafficking exists inside of Sea Org. As I see it, the Indies and other former SO are locked in the fight of their lives against an oppressive regime that is quite willing to destroy all of them. Whether it is able to is another matter.


All this trashing has been standard operating procedure for DM, Rathbun and Rinder for decades. Check out these Freedom articles they put out on Gerry Armstrong:
Freedom 61
Freedom 62
Freedom Special edition April/May 1985
Freedom Vol 17 No. 10

Gerry weathered six Scientology lawsuits, all of which were instigated under Rathbun, Rinder and Miscavige, the same Rathbun, Rinder and Miscavige who ran the original Loyalist Op on him. This covert op and the first lawsuit were also during the Hubbard regime. These Loyalists are still applying the SP doctrine, and are still insisting on their rightness and on Hubbard's rightness about who the bad guys are. It's pretty much all preposterous if you ask me.

J. Swift wrote:
The SP Doctrine is not protecting or hiding any of the Indies. In fact, yet another book is slated to come out exposing David Miscavige, OSA, and indicting CoS in general. This is Jeff Hawkins' book.

I don't see any of this as a part of a coup. I see all of what is happening as a genuine schism in which a the Cult of DM is being exposed as such.

Caroline, do you think that DM and OSA have anything less than pure blind hatred for Marty and Mike and the rest of the Indies and former SO and OT's who are all speaking out?


If the Indies and other Scientologists were able to realize that the oppressive regime they're fighting against was spawned from the very malignant narcissist they insist on supporting and defending, i.e., L. Ron Hubbard, they would be able to deal with their oppression effectively, and would have a real chance at recovery. Right now, they're embarrassing themselves and prolonging their own hell.

I'll take this opportunity to reference Gerry's letters to Rathbun and Rinder, and the real issues that Rathbun, Rinder and the Loyalists should confront. Lisa Hamilton is obviously a smart person in a position to address their ethics on this situation:

14 April 2010
31 May 2009 Open letter to Mark C. Rathbun
7 July 2009 Letter to Rathbun for help getting back stolen manuscript
12 July 2009 Sitting Bull blowing smoke
14 August 2009 Letter to Mark Rathbun re: Black PR to the IRS
18 August 2009 To Mark Rathbun: Help on Black PR
4 September 2009 Letter to Rathbun: Apology not needed or wanted
6 September 2009Letter to Rathbun: Seeking Understanding from Wogs
14 April 2010 To Mike Rinder


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