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 Post subject: Another Auditor Blows!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:16 pm 
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At ESMB there is yet another Scientologist who has blown publicly. Congratulations to Mike Roiger for leaving CoS! His story shows the current conditions inside of CoS from an auditor's point of view. Mike's use of Scientology's technical jargon illustrates how powerfully language is used to shape and mold reality and perception inside of CoS.

It's not Anonymous, Marty, Tory, ESMB, OCMB, or even Big Pharma: The fact is that people leave CoS because it is
DM's Batshit Insane Thetan Clown House (CoS is DM's BITCH) .

Note: Those of us on the outside merely narrate the ongoing series of train wrecks that occur with alarming regularity inside of DM's Clown House!

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I am enjoying Mike's write up. Here are some excerpts of what CoS 2010 looks like inside from someone who just recently left:

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My name is Mike Roiger and I am formally disconnecting from the Church of Scientology after 18 years, 14 or which were on Staff, and 12 of those posted as the Senior Case Supervisor at the Cincinnati Class V Organization. I am a Grad VA C/S (XDN Specialist), CCRD C/S (2006), FPRD C/S, Purif C/S, KTL/LOC C/S, etc (all GAT). I did over 50 courses in various academies from Atlanta to Cincinnati to AOSH UK to Flag.

BAMFA stands for Bad-Ass MotherF--kin’ Auditor. This originated in the late 90’s when I cracked my first case, read that turned a $700 Life Repair cycle into a 12-Intensive package ($26.4K). I was a bit on the cocky side back then, and we developed a “new” class of auditor when we cracked cases, i.e., BAMFA. There were 4 or 5 of us and we had baseball caps made with the GAT symbol on the front and “BAMFA” on the back.

I would like to start out the thread by going over the last few months on Staff. I won’t go into too many details at the start here, but fill in later as I go through my timeline.

ref: http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=20921

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So, now I am back in Ethics for mis-called F/Ns (Doubt). At least I didn’t have the RTFN pressure (Right the F--k Now, a favorite saying by those running the Flag HGCs). I limped through the Ethics, then Cramming and I was ready to take on another pc. I gave one of the best sessions I’ve ever given at Flag and went to lunch. Unfortunately, during lunch, I found out that my Dad died that morning, so I had to get another “emergency” CSW approved and I was out the door. I was supposed to directly return to Flag following the funeral. Obviously, when a parent dies, you can’t just fly off to Flag after the funeral, and I was home for about 3 weeks. What really pissed me off though, was that the Board I/C texted me on the day of Dad’s funeral wanting me to audit somebody. Not good. I cut all communication off.

ref: op. cit.

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At this time, I still had undone C/S crams at Flag, which did not even enter my mind. I went back to Cincinnati, and, of course, I C/Sed folders for them. Not many, because I was needed on a “special project” to “handle” 3 or 4 Tech Staff who were trying to Route Off Staff. Usually a pretty easy project, only, the I/C was the Chief Reg who is about half nuts and thinks he’s the second coming of LRH. His method of handling is to inflict as much mental pain as possible with threats, invalidation and evaluation. For some odd reason, I thought we could work together, even though I’ve never been able to work with him. His orders range from arbitrary to insane. Anyway, the current order was for me to make them guilty and “rub their noses in it” via Metered Ethics Interviews with the assumption they were all SP, then work them all through lower conditions. I was to stay in constant telephone communication with him as he was not in the org and on some medical LOA that had nothing with doctors or medicine. Apparently, I did not respond to a question right or said something (I don’t know), but the tables got turned on me and I was the Who behind virtually every bad statistic in the org. Now I’m being invalidated and evaluated for and being giving wrong indications galore! Enough of that, I refused to take his calls. I didn’t have to hide much because he was never in the org. At this point, I was thinking, “what do I need this shit for?”

I don’t know when it was that I first made the decision to break away from the insane asylum. I’ve had fleeting thoughts for quite some time. But, after this latest BS, I knew I was a short-timer.

ref: op. cit.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:34 pm 
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So he's what I call 'away,' not 'out.' That's what I get from that.

That's good for now but it leaves him vulnerable.

It sounds like whining or splitting hairs on my part but I was in that position and because I was 'away' and not 'out' they handled me to go back and got another fair chunk out of me. That's what I mean by vulnerable.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
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It's a very compelling story. Congratulations on getting out, Mike. Grab a computer and start reading.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:17 am 
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For most exes you know the amount of work it is to do a mental sorting out, emotional cleansing and soul searching it requires to strip away years of being indoctrinated. I'm glad he got distance from the craziness. I am equally glad he perceived the abuse and got real about that. A wild story none the less that such a highly trained tech terminal who should be a valued commodity in their world was treated so badly. It is definitely a indicator how bad things are in that world.

Also, I'm not entirely certain he will go back. He's spoken out publically against CO$. This is a High Crime. He will be cruelly punished for it for a very long time if not forever. He knows this, has seen this happen to others. The decision not to return came before speaking out as he seems a very intelligent individual.

Also noted in the line of posts on ESMB is another member still trapped many recall and very much like is suffering, train wrecked and a damaged drone. That made me feel sad.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:32 am 
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If he has made the decision not to go back then that's a very positive step for him.

If he comes here and reads these posts, congratulations to him for standing up for himself and his own personal freedom.

For those newly away from or newly out of a cult you might be interested in reading the books on the list you'll find when you click this link:
http://www.worldcat.org./profiles/Wieber/lists/1293066

There are a lot of good books available but I think the ones on that list will give a person coming away from a cult a good idea on what happened to them and help them get on their way to recovery from it fairly quickly.

For those coming away from scientology I must tell you that of the authors of those books three are former cult members, one of whom is a "declared suppressive person" (pretty sure) and the other two are a psychologist and a psychiatrist. However if you're not going back you should not fear to read these books.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:20 am 
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Welcome, Mike! Thanks for taking the time to share
your story. Please continue----it helps both you, and everyone else
reading it, including people lurking, who are still "in".

My love to you and all here!~ :onebounce: :alien:

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Wieber's book list contains books that he, as a former Scientologist and Staff Member, has read and personally chosen. I recommend this list to everyone I meet who has just left because it the list was compiled by someone who was a member. Wieber has found useful data in these books to help people understand what happens to people inside of high demand cults. Scientology is not unique in one sense: It shares traits common with many other abusive, high demand spiritual groups. Wieber's list: http://www.worldcat.org./profiles/Wieber/lists/1293066

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:45 am 
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J. Swift wrote:
Wieber's book list contains books that he, as a former Scientologist and Staff Member, has read and personally chosen. I recommend this list to everyone I meet who has just left because it the list was compiled by someone who was a member. Wieber has found useful data in these books to help people understand what happens to people inside of high demand cults. Scientology is not unique in one sense: It shares traits common with many other abusive, high demand spiritual groups. Wieber's list: http://www.worldcat.org./profiles/Wieber/lists/1293066

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I had Battle for the Mind by William Sargant on that list. I took it off the list for a few reasons.

It is a difficult technical read, at least it was for me. I think for someone coming out of a cult a book that may be difficult to read is probably not a good thing.

It deals with abreaction therapy, developed as a result of Pavlov's experiments with dogs and used as a therapy for soldiers suffering from what was then (the time of World War I) called shell shock and is now called post traumatic stress disorder. I believe this was the basis of Hubbard's dianetics. Although there is other material in that book on what Sargant calls "conversion" (called "thought reform" by Lifton) the book is probably of more specific interest to someone leaving scientology than other cults.

Although I think reading the book is worth the effort, I think the therapeutic return on investment is relatively low compared to that of the other four books listed.

Thanks for the endorsement, J. Swift.

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Besides detailing the "police state" environment of Cof$, Mike's write up also contains evidence that Sheriff Miscavige has "deputized" All scientologists, staff and public, as Salesmen as their primary duty, with quotas that need to be met, Or Else. Here, he details just a couple of reg (salesman) hunts, one in Ohio, but not in Cincinatti, and other in another state.

Mike talks about it as if it's normal for a Senior Case Supervisor, I assume the only one, driving hundreds of miles all over the place as a salesman. I'm reading it thinking wtf?! No wonder he and 4 other tech staff were leaping off the hot coals of sci sales hell.
I do wonder if there's any tech staff left (not that it matters, since they're really sales staff).

"Within a few days, I am ordered out to North Ohio on a Reg cycle. The plan was for me to audit a pc, whose folder was supposed to be at Flag under OSA review, then Reg her for several thousand. We had a good session, then the Reg shows up at 10:00PM. The cycle is unsuccessful, but we are under orders that we cannot leave until we get the money. We are stuck in northern Ohio for the whole next day until she finishes her patients (7:30PM)." ...

"Then the following week, Wednesday again, I am ordered at 10:00 PM to drive to Louisville, KY on another Reg cycle. It turns out that the Staff member who is being regged, has been regged by the Idle Org people for 3 days straight and they got $50K out of him. The CO orders us to get $20K for services - this is a Staff auditor for Christ sakes! We get there about midnight and he is not real happy to see us, but he is a good guy and puts a pot of coffee on. We are not there very long before he realizes that it is a Reg cycle. We are there under orders of not leaving until the money is gotten. At about 2:30 AM he gets pissed and drives off leaving us holding are you-know-whats. Only after this happens, are we “allowed” to go home. By this time it is definite that I am not going to be part of this organization in the future. Disgusting."

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
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So he's what I call 'away,' not 'out.' That's what I get from that.

That's good for now but it leaves him vulnerable.

It sounds like whining or splitting hairs on my part but I was in that position and because I was 'away' and not 'out' they handled me to go back and got another fair chunk out of me. That's what I mean by vulnerable.


Oh, I'm quite out Wieber. I have not finished the story yet. I have read quite a lot since my departure and I'm told my SP Declare is being expedited. By the way, from my sources, my post on ESMB is quite known in the upper hierarchy at Cincinnati Org. I'm sure it's causing waves farther north on the "org board." I have also met with other "SPs" where I currently reside, I guess that's a conspiracy!

I'm sure those who are at the org think that I am a pussy for blowing because I didn't "man up" and route out. I don't give a rat's ass because I am done with that insane BS.
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Hey,

hello congrats and you are most welcome here ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
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Woo hoo, congratulations SirRalliart, and welcome to OCMB!

Your story is horrifying/amazing. All that regging, sheesh! I think I would rather stab myself in the eyeball than go through being regged for 3 days! How do people stand it? Why don't people run away screaming, that's what I don't get. It's like going to one of those "free" lunches where they try to sell you a time share for 3 hours, except it never ends. It seriously sounds like a nightmare.

And then to reg people at their parent's funeral just takes things to a whole other level of evil/insanity.

I'll bet you're glad to be out.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Auditor Blows!
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SirRalliart wrote:
Wieber wrote:
So he's what I call 'away,' not 'out.' That's what I get from that.

That's good for now but it leaves him vulnerable.

It sounds like whining or splitting hairs on my part but I was in that position and because I was 'away' and not 'out' they handled me to go back and got another fair chunk out of me. That's what I mean by vulnerable.


Oh, I'm quite out Wieber. I have not finished the story yet. I have read quite a lot since my departure and I'm told my SP Declare is being expedited. By the way, from my sources, my post on ESMB is quite known in the upper hierarchy at Cincinnati Org. I'm sure it's causing waves farther north on the "org board." I have also met with other "SPs" where I currently reside, I guess that's a conspiracy!

I'm sure those who are at the org think that I am a pussy for blowing because I didn't "man up" and route out. I don't give a rat's ass because I am done with that insane BS.
Roiger


I'm very glad you're out, SirRalliart, and that you're posting here.

Woot!

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