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 Post subject: KAREN'S STORY (ex Mrs. Heber Jentzsch)
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I have done a huge amount of soul searching and given a lot thought to exiting DM’s “church”. It is not easy to make such a decision to walk away from what has been an integral part of your life for decades. I had planned to withdraw my support (and stop the considerable flow of funds I had poured into the Church) and remain relatively quiet behind the scenes. But then everything changed, when once again, the Church of MEST decided to try to destroy my family.

Let me provide just a little background to put things in context.

Flagship Apollo

In the early 70′s I traveled to the Flag Ship Apollo as a public. I took just one suitcase, for a planned 10 day stay. I had trained up through Class VIII at Saint Hill in the UK and decided to celebrate my graduation with a Mediterranean Cruise and some auditing. And I also really did want to meet

LRH.

A ship is a tight knit group and everyone gets to know the comings and goings. I had barely been aboard 3- 4 days when one of the first LRH Watch Messengers (someone who was with LRH for 8 hours a day), Janis Gillham, found me in the bowels of the ship. She had a message from the Commodore. I looked up at her startled that she knew my name. Her message was: “The Commodore asked if you have finished your auditing, and if so, would you like to join the Sea Organization?” I was silent for a moment. I felt a rush of excitement. My life was about to change in one second. I told Janis to tell the Commodore I would be honored to join his team. About 20 minutes later I met LRH on the Promenade Deck and received his congratulations. Janis told me later she knew of no other person who was invited to join the Sea Org personally by LRH.

And boy, I sure have some rare LRH stories to tell. I must tell them on this blog. The LRH Biography staff spent 2 days debriefing me for these stories about 3 years ago. Of course they will be deleted now that I am a Proud SP. So I will preserve these anecdotes for posterity on Marty’s blog. And based on the track record of Miscavige, the Biography will never be completed anyway as the person who is supposed to be writing it is instead his personal speechwriter.

I soon discovered that a “Field Class VIII” did not mean a Flag Class VIII. And so I re-did all my internships and then trained up to Class XII with LRH as the CS overlooking the folders and giving final TR passes. I won several “Auditor of the Year” awards and
was personally commended by LRH 9 times. I was a high producer as part of LRH’s Flag technical team. I am the last LRH trained Class XII that belonged to Church of Miscavology. All other XIIs died, left the Church, or were declared. And now, I will proudly join the ranks of those who have been declared for withdrawing their support for the SP that is destroying the life’s work of LRH.

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks

I am sure you can imagine my reaction first to the “Golden Age of Tech” and then to “The Basics” events where DM in his infinite arrogance put down and invalidated all prior training and auditing. A relative handful of us kept the delivery high and the Gross Income rolling in, month after month, year in and year out. Half a dozen Class XIIs were the main source of income for the FSO. We kept the ship afloat with delivery of the Ls and other auditing, so LRH could continue his research and overlook and guide Scientology’s growth and impact. I sat at those events and literally watched Miscavige assume the (false) position of the new Messiah. HE WAS GOING TO IMPROVE ON LRH!

Those of us who worked on LRH lines knew very well, that LRH did not sell botched overt products. Every single facet and characteristic of LRH was to improve and upgrade the quality of life as best he knew. Now, in strutted Mr. Arrogance to inform everyone that they were incompetent, out tech, unknowing fools and that he had slaved feverishly to correct all the mistakes LRH had made (of course, there was a lot of PR and hype, but read through the bs and this is what he was saying). I audited 1000s of hours under LRH. I called FNs the way LRH wrote the definition. Not the David Miscavige definition. All those Ls and special Flag Rundowns delivered throughout the 1970s and 1980s did not incorporate the DM definition. In those years, I do not recall a single request for refund, missed withhold or trouble made for the pc in all the people I audited.

This is not to say I did not live a life of dread. The registrars David Light, Sonia Jacques etc. would get the Tours to sell huge blocks of auditing to No-Case Gain pcs. They were all dumped in the Class XII HGC for a miracle cure. I was the Class XII C/S. Jeff Walker, the Senior CS and I lived a life of daily combat over this. The stats of Flag Service Org were climbing nicely and Jeff wanted all pcs handled in the Class XII HGC. I was concerned about the well-being of LRH’s org and not to create a disaster with an illegal pc. I saw the future YEARS and YEARS before Lisa McPherson happened. It was just a matter of time. I cared very much to protect the Flag Land Base and on my watch, there was no death, no suicide, no one in my HGC under my CSing or auditing hit the skids.

Miscavige orders Heber to divorce me


Karen and Heber's wedding day

From early 1982 to 1987 I worked at OSA International. I had married Heber in 1978 and when he became President CSI in 1982 and was located in Los Angeles I transferred there to be with him. I had the grandiose title of “Presidential Aide” (Heber’s Assistant) One day I was summoned with Heber to INT base and it did not sound good. Upon arrival, Mike Sutter (then CO OSA Int) who had the previous week presented me with OSA “Staff Member of the Week” award, questioned me about a sentence I had told someone in FSO about Vicki Aznaran and Jesse Prince’s removal from RTC (Vicki was Inspector General). Even though this fact was Broad Public Issue a few days later, distributed in everyone’s in-basket, I paid for that goof dearly. I had committed out-security and this was used as a justification to destroy our marriage.

I was confined to the Int base and not allowed to return to Los Angeles to pick up a change of clothes. I did heavy deck work in the same underwear and dress for 10 days. It was humiliating. One sweats on the decks. It is HOT in Gilman Hot Springs. I was not ”trusted” to return to Los Angeles to pick up clothes and toiletries.

At this point, I spoke up. I went to Jackson, Security Chief (who posts here — Greetings Jackson!) and announced that nobody had the right to keep me against my will. I called it kidnap. I said they were breaking the laws of the land. I tend to speak up and meet things head on — I am not the silent suffering type. Well, that caused an explosion. My car keys were promptly taken away and I was put on increased hours of sec checking. And no surprise, that sec checking became wilder and wilder. Was I a psychiatric case? Had I been institutionalized? (LOL I had been in the Church since I was a teenager) Had I been implanted? Was I sent in by the FBI? Was I an IRS agent or plant? ROFL! Yes, I can laugh now. But it is not funny when this is run on you for hours, days, weeks and you cannot leave the base. It was 6 months of hell. Someone wrote on another site: “Under the totalitarian regime in Russia those that objected to the program were by definition ‘mentally ill’ as only a person who was mentally ill would be against the people’s paradise.” What a great quote. I was not “with the program,” therefore I must be psychiatric…….whoa. This is DM’s “Church.”

The years of performance, the stellar products, the Auditor of the Year awards year in and year out, all wiped out in one nanosecond. I did not agree to be kidnapped against my will at Int Base, therefore I must be psychiatric — even though I was one of 6 people on planet Earth that trained to Class XII CS. On reflection, those 6 months of kidnap and being imprisoned against my will at Int Base should have been reported to Law Enforcement at that time. But it would not occur to an SO member to do that. You just could not think that way when you are in, even though kidnap is a felony. I know now that was an overt because the same brutality has been repeated and even expanded in the 23 years since; witness the horrors of “the Hole” where Heber still resides.

I later learned from other sources that the whole 6 months incident was carrying out the DM order to get Heber to divorce me. Either get the evidence through sec checks that could be used to show him I was a plant or a psych case, or break me and make me act in a psychotic fashion that would prove it to him that way. Heber was sent to Germany and I was forbidden to use the phone, talk to Heber or talk to anyone other than my “handlers.” Lockdown.

Eventually the strategy worked. There was no way of fighting it.

Now, this was more than 20 years ago and DM has gotten progressively worse since. The Hole is a reflection of the insane deterioration of DM’s ability to see the value of a Staff Member. Especially a dedicated SO member.

In 1990 I routed out of the Sea Org. I endured months of Sec Checking but did all the right things on the route out. In 20 years it never occurred to me to be hostile towards the Church. I remained a “good” Scientologist, funding libraries, buying all the new releases, showing up at events, giving AOLA $250,000 in the space of 3 years, and even embroiling myself in things of a more confidential nature to support the Church. I’ve had 20 years since my departure from the Sea Org to step out of line. I never did. And when the inevitable doubts crept in, I would think of my time track with LRH and just keep on going.


Karen, after recovering from Int and succeeding in the business world.

Alexander Jentzsch and Office of Special Affairs

Heber and I had a son in 1984 — Alexander Jentzsch. He was born and raised in the Sea Org.

When Alexander was 11 years old (he had left the SO with me in 1990 when he was 6 and had then been regged to return to the SO when he was 10), Heber and I were both located in Los Angeles and Alexander was at Flag. He was being used as a child slave laborer at the Fort Harrison, with no schooling or study time – instead cleaning toilets and floors in the Fort Harrison lobby 10-12 hours a day. I called OSA multiple times to tell them this violated the laws of the land. Finally I threatened that if it was not handled I would fly to Clearwater and extract him myself. OSA put him on a plane to Los Angeles within 24 hours.

Alexander was born in Scientology and knows nothing else. The culture is deeply embedded in him.

Fast forward to 3 years ago. Alexander is now married and his wife Andrea is pregnant. Pressure is brought to bear for an abortion. It is done skillfully – no heavy threats, but both are both taken off post and made to look at “the greatest good”. The message was loud and clear. Alexander called me multiple times a day as this goes down. All of the while his father, Heber, is uncontactable in lockdown in Miscavige’s Hole. In the end, Andrea had an abortion and they were returned to post. But she never gets over it and feels she has committed an overt of magnitude.

3 years later she is pregnant again. She really does want to be a mom. But now, times have changed. Claire and Mark Headley and Laura Decrescenzo’s lawsuits, media and the internet have caused the Church to re-think their enforced abortion policy.

This time Alexander and Andrea are routed out with ” love”. Kirsten Caetano, in charge of External Security at OSA, befriends Alexander in an unnatural, unheard of way. She arranges for his apartment rent to be paid. Helps arrange and approves him working for a Scientologist owned company at a very high wage, and gives him lots of sympathy and compassion. She strokes his feathers every way she can. He is given $3500 after he signs a bunch of documents on video. God knows he signed his life away, though of course the documents are worthless and Alexander was not given a copy of what he signed.

Psych Ops.

I keep hearing from Alexander how WONDERFUL Kirsten is. She gives him all her phone numbers: berthing, cell and work, and she is just a click away on email. Ahhhhhhhh. Feel the love….

Then Marty and Mike posted the blog on Heber (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/). Alexandar has a huge ongoing upset that Heber has not seen him in 6 YEARS. Even though he is a dedicated Sea Org member and can put up with a lot “for the cause”, it makes no sense to him (it shouldn’t) that he cannot see or talk to his father. It is a BIG button. Heber was born on October 30th 1935. He is 75 years old. And he is incarcerated at Int Base and he has been for years. Miscavige has not permitted any family time for Heber to see Alexander.

But the magic of Marty’s blog. Within 36 hours of that posting, Heber comes down to Los Angeles and spends 8 hours
with Alexander for the first time in 6 years. Heber has a cell phone number he gives Alexander and promises to attend a family re-union of his brothers and sisters in August with Alexander.

Wow, what a change! Thanks Marty and Mike!

Scroll forward to a few days ago. I ask Alexander if he wished Heber “Happy Father’s Day”. He said he had called but could not get through. Heber no longer has a cell phone. And when he calls Alexander back he informs him that he will not be going to the family reunion, but will see Alexander next… at Christmas!!

I am outraged and try to communicate about this but Alexander shuts me down. I feel Kirsten’s presence in the comm cycle. How dare I question authority or hint that there may be something wrong in the world of Miscavige! The Thought Police scrambled into action.

Last night, Alexander was directed by his OSA handlers to guide me to an entheta site on line (entheta about Marty, Mike and even me). He actually tried to get me to read entheta about myself!! I will not tolerate my son being manipulated against me and when he began screaming at me to “get my shit squared away with OSA or lose him as a son,” I knew that the body snatchers had him firmly in their grasp. For any that think I am in error airing private mother/son stuff on the web, the scene of the church infiltrating and turning my son against me is something that must be exposed.

Mike Rinder went through this when 7 people assaulted him in that parking lot. His own daughter, Taryn, was screaming at him for being an SP.

The internet backlash as a result was enormous. People found the behavior of the C of M appalling and horrifying. But, the leopard cannot change his spots. Just another OSA op. Seems the latest ploy is a new twist on “family leverage” that would make Terl proud. But, once again, they have delivered a massive footbullet. I was content to withdraw my support at the start of 2010 and remain relatively quiet. All that changed yesterday. If OSA thought they would control me by using Alexander as a pawn, it backfired.

Every time Alexander is used by OSA I will faithfully post every detail on the web, so that the “Office of COB” can see that the world knows and understands their dirty tricks.

Sometimes it is fun to be underestimated.

But we live in a world of instant digital communication. Marty’s site gets 50,000 hits a WEEK !

We can let sunshine disinfect.

My life is good now. I am highly successful, healthy, wealthy and wise. I have no doubt who my true and dear friends are – they are the people who read this blog every day. And I have no doubt that I will dedicate myself to preventing the destruction of LRH’s legacy by the SP David Miscavige. This is my Doubt Formula announcement.

Anyone who wants to contact me privately can do so at: Karen************


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 Post subject: Re: KAREN'S STORY (ex Mrs. Heber Jentzsch)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:32 pm 
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"When Alexander was 11 years old (he had left the SO with me in 1990 when he was 6 and had then been regged to return to the SO when he was 10), Heber and I were both located in Los Angeles and Alexander was at Flag. He was being used as a child slave laborer at the Fort Harrison, with no schooling or study time – instead cleaning toilets and floors in the Fort Harrison lobby 10-12 hours a day. I called OSA multiple times to tell them this violated the laws of the land. Finally I threatened that if it was not handled I would fly to Clearwater and extract him myself. OSA put him on a plane to Los Angeles within 24 hours.

Alexander was born in Scientology and knows nothing else. The culture is deeply embedded in him."
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This is the problem dealing with Scientology today and the psychology that many critics don't understand or are unwilling to consider. The physical makeup of young people in the Sea Org today are 2nd & 3rd generation Scientologists whose reality of the world is totally encapsulated in the cult. It's hard for many of these SO to think out of the box. There are numerous stories where young SO members have considered leaving the cult and they confided in cult supervisors to get direction. Guess what the results were.


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 Post subject: Re: KAREN'S STORY (ex Mrs. Heber Jentzsch)
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Here's another story that confirms the following:

1. coerced abortions

2. intentional break-up of families

3. forced detention

4. forced labor

5. illegal interogations

...probably missed a few things, but that's enough.

Thanks Karen.

This is heartbreaking, but I'm glad another person is speaking out.

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It is heartbreaking. I can only imagine how difficult it must be for Karen to go through all this. I haven't been there, cannot give any advice, only a heartfelt WELCOME to the real world. =D>

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Thank you TIGGER, SMURF, Mr_Bad, SekhCollecion, Duhast

Thank you for your kind words.

This is my first post on OCMB.

There is more on the story of Alexander and me ~~~ I will re-tell some of my stories here on OCMB.
I ask that y'all be gentle with me.

I come from a different time and place and ask understanding.

Here is Goes with Story #1

3 weeks after I came out publicly against the Church the following Law Enforcement incident occurred
My pc confessional folders were studied head to toe as soon as it was known that I was disaffected
and speaking out against David Miscavige and telling INT BASE horror stories.

In my pc folders, they found that my CPA was a man named Bill Greene who has done my tax returns for some years.

There are tens of thousands of Bill Greenes in Los Angeles, but they got his city out of my pc folder due to some incident previously run.

It didn't matter that I was a 35 year contributor.
It didn't matter that they had turned my son Alexander against me.
I was speaking out vociferously against Miscavige so, as expected, retribution would occur.
David Miscavige personally orders the Dirty Deeds.
I will be posting more on this.....
Here's what occurred~~
Email received:::::
Subject: Very Very Important!!!!!!
Date: 7/20/2010 3:11:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time
From: XXXXXX@aol.com
Reply To:
Hi Karen,

Tried multiple times to reach you tonight but no call back. Thought you needed to know that we were visited at home today by an LA Co detective and his FBI partner to investigate a phone hotline tip they received anonymously] alleging that you were supplying children to me for some kind of underage sex related thing. They had our names and wanted your phone number which I did not give. I expect they will be coming to see you next. They said they have to investigate all such tips as a matter of course.

While the allegations are ridiculous and neither of us has anything to do with children of this age and type, someone clearly wants to harm both of us seriously. The tipster had a few genuine details to which they have added to in order to make them appear criminal.

<snip>

I'll tell you the rest when we talk and we can decide how to proceed. Probably better if we help them. I have no idea what or who could have generated this, but perhaps you may have.

Bill

Here's the rest of the story.
Bill Greene is a Harvard Business Graduate, active in Harvard Alumni. The FBI agent and Detective *FELT* they had been "had". After a 5 minute interview they felt this anonymous *TIP* was ridiculous and they asked Bill if had any enemies ?.

Bill could not think of an enemy and said NO.
They then asked if Karen de la Carriere had any enemies ?

"Oh ! Oh ! said Bill. "The Church"

"What Church? " they asked.

"The Church of Scientology" Physical body reaction from the Law enforcement agents. Interview over. Case closed.
They never came to see me !

Law Enforcement knows only too well the *Anonymous* phone calls re Church enemies.....

Yes, I contribute for 35 years and the *CHURCH* call in an anonymous tip that I smuggle underage Children for sex to my CPA.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It boggles the mind.

I have never made it a secret that I report Church criminals acts to Law Enforcement. I enjoy my relationships with different levels of Law Enforcement.
So I made a couple of phone calls......
My comm lines called these 2 visitors to Bill Greene to square away my Whistle Blower Status. My air cover by Law enforcement was incredible This all went down within minutes.
It was barely a blip on my computer screen
But a black eye for OSA.
I sent (something I would never thought of doing) the Wikileaks link to the OSA NETWORK ORDERS to Law enforcement comm lines.
The OSA Bible.
This was to explain why the "Church" carries on like this.

FINALE

From: Bill Greene <bill.greene@XXXX>
To: Detective XXXXX
XXXXXXX@ic.fbi.gov


Sent: Tue Aug 03 15:22:35 2010
Subject: July 20 Visit


Dear Det. Trapp,

You visited my home on July 20 with your partner from the FBI to inquire about an anonymous tip regarding some allegations about myself and my client, Ms. de la Carriere. I understand from her that it was decided that the allegations were false, the investigation is now closed, and was attributed to some retailiation by the Church of Scientology toward her.

As the event was quite disturbing, especially to my wife, may I ask you to forward some information on the incident to me by either email or regular mail. I'd like to request (1) a copy of the text of the anonymous allegation, (2) a copy of the resolution showing it was false, or dropped, and is closed, (3) copies of the badge ID or yourself and your partner, whose business card I didn't get.

You were certainly right that I had no idea my client had any such enemies.


Thank you very much.

William Greene, CPA

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But I am happy to announce that I have collected up a huge amount of "church" Anonymous Phone call dirty tricks for Law Enforcement to circulate among themselves and post on Inter-Agency Boards.

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First, Karen, welcome! We love having you here. And second, wow, Miscavige has sure lost his own plot. That retaliation op was just plain stupid. Your reaction showed great courage, as does your speaking out. <-- Thanks for that and thanks for sharing your story.

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Hi Karen, good you're here in person now.

Sorry to hear about about the trouble you and your CPA were put through. On the positive side, this action shows that DM is finally losing it. Several years ago they really put Paulette Cooper through hell by black PR. This action against you, no matter how painful it must have been, is basically just ridiculous.

In my language we have this expression: "Een kat in het nauw maakt rare sprongen." This means something like "A cat that can't find his way out of danger will jump in any direction, like crazy." :angry9:

That's what OSA is doing. Accusing people of heinous crimes without any evidence will only put the church in a bad light, both with the public and with law enforcement.
They're at their wits end. Your leaving the church and speaking out is one of the latest painful blows, Davey must be pulling his hairs out in sheer frustration by now. ](*,)

Your speaking out may also give many other, less high ranking, church-members the courage to do the same. And COB knows that.
Thanks for setting this brave example to others. I honestly hope Davey and his friends will realize soon that you're the wrong person to mess with, so you will be left in peace to go on with your life.

I wish you strength,

Love, Sekh :turnintoheart:

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Karen, Welcome to OCMB. It's great having your personal story and contribution here.

Second, what a bunch of idiots. How on earth does it make sense to show the FBI that your (meaning the COS's) organization is criminal and fraudulent? Obviously the investigation wasn't going to go very far before the FBI realized that it was bunk. Now the FBI is even more pissed off at the church, and has first hand proof of OSA's fairgame tactics.

Sheesh.

As a mother, I really feel for you, having your son used as a pawn. This is probably the biggest reason I am in the fight. You don't mess up mother-son relationships and get away with it. It's evil.

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Welcome to the board, Karen.
Thanks for all that you do in shining the spotlight on the cult's abuses.

BTW.
Had a look at your site on the Titanic. ( a lens?) Great site ; well laid out and very informative. I've passed on the link to someone who turned out to be equally impressed. :cheers:

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Thank you I'm Glib, Benny's Friend, Maarten. SekhCollectyion

Anytime the word "SCIENTOLOGY" is googled, I note that this website is the #2 or #3 hit year in and year out.
Even with lowered membership, even with lowered # of peopleon line, GOOGLE with all the changing of the algorithm keeps this SITE right on front page and usually #2 or #3 hit.
This is remarkable.
I am told the archival qualities of the site are immense.
And I know that the Blown for Good stories were first released here. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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I want to state that J.Swift played a significant part in encouragement and friendship to join OCMB

I am partial to the idea that one can get a more 360 degree view when one looks at all sides ~~ i.e. a multi viewpoint system ~~ Critics, Long Term Sea Org Members, Indies, Anonymous.....THIS IS THE EXACT 180 degree of what is permissible within the Church. In the Church there is ONE RIGID myopic viewpoint and you DARE not voice or share any other viewpoint.
In fact it is TREASON to think differently say something against the culture or the mores.

Anyway here goes on my ongoing stories ~~[/b]

Here's the threat I received from Church Lawyer, co-hort of DM's right hand man Lawyer Elliot Abelson pretending my son has gone legal on me !

How very NORMAL for a *CHURCH* to have a son go legal on their MOM ! A Church I contributed to for 35 years......


DONALD R. WAGER
A PROFESSIONAL LAW CORPORATION
10100 SANTA MONICA BLVD.
23rd FLOOR
LOS ANGELES, CA 90067
(310) 712-6478 (310) 712-6189 FAX
October 5, 2010
Dear Ms. Jentzsch:
I am writing to you on behalf of my client, Alexander Jentzsch. He received the e-mail that you sent to him dated September 2, 2010.
I wanted to alert you that your statement in the e-mail that you are going to "go public" and get data published on the web is a threat to my client's right of privacy which is protectable under "California and federal law.
Your statement that my client needs to talk to you before you "go public on this" is a type of extortion and in actual fact he told me that in your last conversation you told him he was disowned, disinherited, and to never call you again.
Thus, he has advised me that he has no interest in talking to you or succumbing to your threats and he wants no further communication of this nature from you.
Please consider this a warning that any future threats by you and any you have induced to contribute to the violations of my client's rights will i dealt with to the full extent of the law.
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My client wants you to understand that as long as this type of anticipated conduct continues there is no chance for you to repair the relationship you once had. My client hopes you will reconsider your actions.
Very truly yours,
Donald Wager




AND HERE'S MY RESPONSE


October 18, 2010



Donald R. Wager, Esquire
10100 Santa Monica Boulevard
23rd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90067


Dear Mr. Wager,

In your letter dated October 5, 2010 you said that my email statement to Alexander was a “type of extortion.” Would you please specify with legal authority the “type” you feel it is.

According to California Penal Code § 518, “Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right."

I did not seek any property from Alexander and he is definitely not a public official.

Perhaps you confuse my conduct with that of your real client. Section 519 defines the actions which constitute fear induced by threat:


1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the individual threatened or of a third person; or, 2. To accuse the individual threatened, or any relative of his, or member of his family, of any crime; or, 3. To expose, or to impute to him or them any deformity, disgrace or crime; or, 4. To expose any secret affecting him or them.


Let me give you some examples of real extortions: (1) Gaining personal information through confessionals and threatening or implying a threat to use the information unless a person refrains from speaking out under penalty of a bond; (2) threatening to expose or implying a threat to expose information given in a priest-pertinent setting unless the person signs a covenant not to sue the religious organization; and (3) threatening or implying to threaten loss of familial connections unless a parishioner gives up a right of legal action.

These are policies and practices of David Miscavige and organizations acting under his control that I am speaking out against and trying to expose, among others. You should be aware
of his crimes because retaliation against me for having blown the whistle on Miscavige’s abuses is unlawful.

The Sarbannes-Oxley amendment to the obstruction of justice statute, which is found at 18 U.S.C. 1513e, for example, makes it a crime to interfere with my livelihood with the intent to retaliate for me having spoken out. The law covers disclosures for any violation under federal law. It is not limited to employee reports of criminal corporate fraud. Moreover, this amendment could result in whistleblowers obtaining coverage under civil RICO. Specifically, violations of 18 U.S.C. 1513 constitute one of the “predicate acts” upon which a person may base a civil RICO claim. 18 U.S.C. 1961(1).

More to the point of my email. As a lawyer you surely know the mandatory reporting requirements of religious organizations. I have reliable evidence that XXXXXXXXX occurred and that the crime covered up. I have reason to believe that many similar instances have been covered up, and feel it is my obligation to expose these criminal policies and practices of Miscavige. Based on the recent problems in the Catholic Church, the public clearly supports exposure while condemning cover-up.


The privacy interests of my son, to the extent they might still exist, are outweighed, I believe, by the general public interest expressed in the mandatory reporting laws.

Since your days with Elliot at the District Attorney’s office you have performed as a cutout and conflict attorney for Miscavige through Elliot. So I know who retained and is paying you; certainly not Alexander, a mere straw client... and pawn.

Finally, you are incorrectly “spinning” the facts like your client OSA INT and Elliott Abelson tend to do on a daily basis for “image appearances.” My son Alexander was coached carefully by his OSA handlers and told me to never text him, phone him or write to him again, whereupon I stated he was disinherited. He was carefully coached to by his OSA handlers to disconnect from me, not the other way around.

As a Lawyer, isn’t it your duty to get your facts straight ? As I pointed out to Elliot Abelson, lawyers are not immune. Didn’t eleven of the senior officials of the Nixon Administration who all went to jail.. all lawyers ?

Heber Jentzsch has been in lockdown in SP Hole (the dungeon) for 6+ years and you are writing to me about covering up XXXXXXXXXXXX ???????

You may rush my response to OSA INT legal and let them know that your letter and its veiled threats have greatly increased my purpose to reveal everything I intend to.

Please give my regards to your dear colleague Elliot Abelson

Sincerely,


Karen de la Carriere

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 Post subject: Re: KAREN'S STORY (ex Mrs. Heber Jentzsch)
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Woo hooooo! Great letter, Karen. Extortion???? DM wrote the book on it!

You are right about OCMB having a lot of archival data. There are lots of documents, testimonies, and even mp3s on this website.

I want to thank Swift for instigating your joining here. As you know, most people here have a variety of criticisms, including criticism of LRH and the tech, as well as criticsim of DM. However, we absolutely welcome all sorts of discussion, so it's of great benefit that you are here. It's no fun if all we do is sing to the choir. It's good to have different viewpoints. I like to think that this board uses a level of discourse and logic the keeps the discussion interesting, while also avoiding personal jabs. At least for the most part. Well, we try, anyway.

There is no doubt that your personal story is very compelling and highlights the worst of the worst when it comes to the current situation in the church. Disconnection, in my opinion, especially when it involves parents and children, is something that everyone agrees must be stopped. Thank you so much for sharing your heartbreaking story.

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Benny's Friend wrote:
First, Karen, welcome! We love having you here. And second, wow, Miscavige has sure lost his own plot. That retaliation op was just plain stupid.

These black ops have been going on for decades... it seems that only in the last decade the FBI and Department of Justice have perked up their ears and are taking the ages-old crap that OSA puts out, seriously. Perhaps, it's because of the economy of late where federal agency funding & manpower has been more constrained... that law enforcement is getting fed up wasting their time investigating fraudulent schemes that makes them feel in the end, like fools.

I have always said, from past experience, that OSA likes to dig deep holes for people, but they always trip & fall into the holes themselves. They never learn from past mistakes. It's internalized in them to attack..attack..attack even if there's no rationality in the attacks. Over the years, I have met with the FBI and law enforcement, including last month where my attorney & I were asked to come in & talk due to a legal matter I'm involved in (Hi Rick!! Yes, you know what I'm talking about... still waiting for that oft-threatened subpoena, you douchebag).

Karen D. is right on with what she said about the FBI's knowledge of Scientology and their criminality. What alot of people (and anons) don't understand is that the FBI is not required to be involved in an official investigation of Scientology, for it to investigate it. They have been doing this under the radar for years. And it is their policy never to disclose where they are in investigations until charges are brought.

This rumor that the FBI informed AOL News that the investigation against Scientology was closed (that Tommy D. has been yapping hog wild about in defense) is pure bullshit. I heard that directly from the field office in Los Angeles.


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 Post subject: Re: KAREN'S STORY (ex Mrs. Heber Jentzsch)
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Karen, that was a robust response to the lawyer's letter.

Among the many duplicitous manoeuvres of the Co$ there seems to be a trend, at least when the cult's denials of disconnection demonstrably fail to stand up, to spin any breaks in a relationship in such a way as to imply that the disconnection was "imposed" on the person who remains inside.
The lawyer, no doubt taking instructions from the Co$, tried this on with you,also.
You sure cleared up any misconceptions in this matter and in a firm manner.

Good to see that they are, not only failing to silence you, but, rather, their actions are resulting in you being even more determined to expose the cult's abuses.


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I'm mainly a lurker but reading your story made me want to respond. I greatly admire your courage in fighting the C0$. Your response to the lawyer is priceless. Well thought out and well written. Kudos to you.


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