Oslo: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas. *update VMs!!!!

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Oslo: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas. *update VMs!!!!

Post by Braveheart's Girlfriend » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:34 pm

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/Norway+ ... story.html

I've tried to find this posted elsewhere here, but couldn't. Please forgive if it has been, but I want to pass on my hopes that you and your loved ones are safe after these hideous violences in Oslo. I plan to lay flowers at the appropriate venue in my city. My thoughts and prayers to you and your family and your fellow Norwegians.

Bless.
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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Sponge » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:10 pm

Andreas has been posting tweets on his personal twitter account here:
http://twitter.com/#!/spirous

Today, despite the poor weather, he had a stand representing secular Humanism in Stavanger for anyone who wanted to talk about yesterday's events.

inb4 scientology volunteer ministers PR.

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My sympathies to Norway for its lost young people

Post by Don Carlo » Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:54 pm

Andreas and any other Norwegians, I feel so much sorrow for you losing over eighty young people and others to an intolerant bigoted murderer. Please keep your wonderfully open and tolerant society while being alert to these kinds of murderers.
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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by magoo1 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:35 pm

:love7: :xenu:

Love to you, Andreas, and thanks, Sponge for the links.

Best,

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Re: My sympathies to Norway for its lost young people

Post by Tigger » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:29 am

Don Carlo wrote:Andreas and any other Norwegians, I feel so much sorrow for you losing over eighty young people and others to an intolerant bigoted murderer. Please keep your wonderfully open and tolerant society while being alert to these kinds of murderers.
Ditto. Sixteen years ago Oklahoma City suffered an attack by an American right wing nutcase,Timothy McVeigh. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Andreas and Norway.

There are insane pople in every country. Hopefully in the future such people, whoever they are and wherever they are, will be identified, receive the treatment and/or judgement needed amd such dispictable acts will be prevented.

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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Sponge » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:49 am

Apparently someone has word that the cult in Norway is planning to put the VM yellow tents up this week with their usual touch assists and recruitment bullshit
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/ ... eek.91503/
As yet, no reliable dox to prove that for certain or where exactly they plan to show up.

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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Don Carlo » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:36 pm

Scientology eliminationist dogma:
There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale , neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes . The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.
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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Sponge » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:48 pm

They're here, albeit without the regalia.

At youngstorget in Oslo today...
(Google map reference: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=y ... CBgQ8gEwAA )

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The sign says: "Do you need someone to talk to? We are listening. We're from the Church of Scientology."

Source: http://twitpic.com/5w8hah
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/ ... st-1828703

Just a couple of tables with 3 flasks and folded towels or tablecloths. A touch-assist bench on the right I think. Wearing washed-out t-shirts in the wrong shade of yellow without even the scientology/VM logo on them. No piled-up boxes of TWTH leaflets or copies of dianetics, no e-meters. Well, none that I can make out unless they're stocked up in the van. Of course, no big ugly yellow tent. I don't know whether they are just plain shambolic or whether they purposefully didn't want the obvious scientology corporate branding for fear of people making an early and wide detour around them, and there's just the small print scrawled at the bottom of the sign "We're from the Church of Scientology" almost as if it is an embarrassing forced admission.

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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Don Carlo » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:30 am

"We listen...and tell you not to go to a psychologist or psychiatrist."

"If you ask about Kara Ballo's suicide* after being terrified by a Scientology psychology test, we don't listen."

*Young daughter of a Norwegian Member of Parliament, dead in 2008, at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Family_blam ... er's_death

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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Sponge » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:31 am

The person that tweeted the picture today of the scientologists in Oslo, in my post above, has now written a blog post of his encounter....

http://www.totlevase.net/2011/07/26/sci ... -terroren/
Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... -terroren/

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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by Sponge » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:50 pm

Today, the sign has changed. See the fine print at the bottom.
The main text still says "Do you need someone to talk to? We are listening", but the line at the end"We're from the Church of Scientology" has now been reduced to "We are Helping".
See article...

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Scientology volunteer's sign: Left - Tuesday, Right- Wednesday.

Advarer mot «frivillige hjelpere» fra Scientologikirken
- Jeg er redd de kan plukke opp mennesker i en sårbar situasjon, sier Scientolog-kritiker Andreas Heldal-Lund.
Aftenposten 27th July 2011
(Norwegian article) http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 185311.ece


Warnings of "volunteers" from the Church of Scientology
- I am afraid they can pick up people in a vulnerable situation, says Scientology critic Andreas Heldal-Lund.
Aftenposten 27th July 2011
(English via google translate) http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... ce&act=url

Edit: The web article appeared in the evening edition of the print newspaper...

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Re: OT: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas - re Events in Os

Post by I'mglib » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:59 am

So, no one wants "help" from the church of Scientology, so they go undercover. What a surprise.
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Re: Oslo: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas. *update VMs!!!!

Post by Sponge » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:06 pm

More Norwegian media on the Vulture Ministers at Youngstorget in Olso....

"Vi driver nødhjelpsarbeid"
Scientologikirken har tatt oppstilling på Youngstorget hvor de tilbyr samtale og gratis massasje. – Usmakelig, mener psykolog. – Nødhjelpsarbeid, mener Scientologikirken.
NRK 28th July 2011
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7730216

"We do relief work"
Church of Scientology has taken up a position on Youngstorget where they offer chat and free massages. – Usmakelig, mener psykolog. - Distasteful, says psychologist. – Nødhjelpsarbeid, mener Scientologikirken. - Aid Work, believes the Church of Scientology.
NRK 28th July
Google Translated article: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 16&act=url



and some Danish newsmedia.....


Scientology går på hugst blandt Oslos sørgende
Scientology udnytter sårbåre sørgende i jagten på nye medlemmer, lyder kritikken.
Politken 28th July 2011
http://politiken.dk/udland/ECE1347460/s ... soergende/

Scientology goes on recruiting among Oslo's grieving
Scientology exploits vulnerable mourners in the hunt for new members, says the criticism.
Politken 28th July 2011
Google Translated article: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 2F&act=url



..and another Danish article, same news source...


Dansk scientology: »Jeg ville ønske, 6.000 nordmænd meldte sig ind i Scientology«
Dansk scientology har uddelt 6.000 flyers til sørgende nordmænd.
http://politiken.dk/udland/ECE1347712/d ... ientology/

Danish scientology: "I wish, 6,000 Norwegians joined the Scientology"
Danish scientology has distributed 6,000 flyers to grieving Norwegians.
Google Translated article: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 2F&act=url



Their sign changes yet again....

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They decided to put back "from the church of scientology" at the bottom.

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Re: Oslo: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas. *update VMs!!!!

Post by Sponge » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:52 am

....even more Danish news media, again from Politiken, this time comment and debate....

Skriv: Er det i orden, at Scientology opsøger de sørgende?
Scientology kritiseres for at hjælpe pårørende i Oslo.
Politiken 28th July 2011
http://politiken.dk/debat/skrivdebat/EC ... soergende/

Post: Is it OK that Scientology seeks out the grieving?
Scientology accused of helping relatives in Oslo.
Politiken 28th July 2011
Google translated article: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 2F&act=url
Google's translation of the page doesn't seem to extend to the comments, but microsoft translator works (sort of)...
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.a ... ergende%2F

At the moment there's 17 pages of comments. People are angry at scientology's exploitation.

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Re: Oslo: Hope You and Yours are OK Andreas. *update VMs!!!!

Post by Sponge » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:27 am

Ex-scientologist Geir Isene comments....
http://isene.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/b ... e-in-oslo/
Geir Isene wrote:After sailing in Greece since the beginning of July, we arrived back home in Oslo yesterday.

Today we went downtown to see the area struck by the terror attack and most importantly the memorial place covered with more flowers than I have ever seen in my life.


Strangely the air was filled with calmness and warmth where one could expect confusion and revenge. Sadness yes, but carried by a foundation of love – for those who lost their lives, for the democracy they championed and for our national integrity. I am proud to be a Norwegian. May this horrific event forge a companionship stronger than ever.

In these days of healing there are of course some elements that we could do without. There are those who seek to score political points, those who will use the events to peddle their ideologies and those who will try to solicit PR in the wake of sorrow. Like the staff in the Church of Scientology in Oslo that I met close to our own Ground Zero. They were there on a recruiting mission via The Way to Happiness Foundation – as if a moral code is what the people of Norway need the most right now. The usual practice for the church is to ensure any such event would be used to bolster their image. Knowing that the church actually works hard to support a power hungry cult leader makes such exploitation of willing staff a disgrace.

In times like these I honor those who give unconditional help, those who give without thought of reward.

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