"What is needed from Marty is the truth."
Caroline, thank you for posting this thread and linking all of the history and information that goes along with it.
I don't post much anymore and have been completely immersed in a family matter the last 2 years being a full-time caregiver for my Grandmother who has Parkinson's Syndrome. It takes everything I have (mentally and physically) these days. But this thread really piqued my interest and something sparked.
The real question is WHY won't Marty tell the truth? (and that includes Rinder).
Rinder claimed that he had enough information already to put David Miscavige behind bars. What are he and/or Marty waiting for? The second coming? And I'm not talking about Christ.
I think Marty's treatment and attitude towards Gerry and this goes towards other exes who don't buy into the "it's all DM" and not LRH boat, is very telling and a major concern for me and many other people.
We've been talking about DM and calling him names for years, WAY before M&M showed up.
A lot of the things that Marty and Mike are "exposing" about Int and DM have already been discussed, and in some cases years before ever being mentioned on Marty's blog. Too bad BFG and I didn't start our own blog. Hind site is 20/20 though.
Marty is being credited with getting a lot of people to leave the CoS. I would put it another way though. People are and have been leaving the CoS in floods for years without Marty and his blog. David Miscavige himself has gotten more people to leave the CoS than any of us have really. The difference between you and I and Marty is that he's been quite the opportunist in being able to "handle and salvage" those people who are currently jumping ship and offering them more Scientology to keep them in the fold while brilliantly saying that it wasn't LRH or Scientology, but one man, DM who ruined the whole game.
I am always for freedom of belief and freedom of speech. But, I am against destructive or harmful practices towards other people. People who don't believe that Scientology is a harmful practice need to think again and do more research on the subject itself. The information is totally available if one looks.
On the Scientology Org Board there is a division called Division 6C (Field Control Division) - Div 6 as a whole being the Public Division. The valuable final product of the Field Control Division is a thriving and controlled field of active Scientologists.
The use of the word "controlled" is pretty key because that's what Hubbard himself intended with the use of Scientology technique - top that with the overall purpose of making money, and making more money (which is policy numero uno). DM has been trying to control the members of Scientology and it's field just as LRH intended. DM however doesn't have the charm and charisma that Hubbard had, and is from Philly, so there you go.
Marty and the "Indy" crowd fit right there on Scientology's (CoS's) Org Board under Division 6C whether they like it or not. Going all the way back to the 60's, Sea Org Missions have been fired to "clean up a muddy field." These are missions sent out to get people "cleaned up," get their ARC Breaks with Hubbard and Scientology resolved and back on the Bridge to Total Freedom as "active" Scientologists - CONTROLLED Scientologists. In this case though, it doesn't matter if these people are active CoS Scientologists or not, but from my observation, to prevent real litigation and prosecution towards David Miscavige and other Senior Execs (including "EX") that could be roped into that court room and possibly put behind bars. For example, we KNOW about Lisa McPherson and Marty's involvement with having key documents destroyed to protect the Church. But what else do we not know that should be in the court room - the whole truth and nothing but, so help you God?
Think about this, a lot of the people who are leaving and joining up with Marty are people who held very high posts at the Int Base and worked closely with David Miscavige for years. Between all of them there must be hundreds of years of experience of having worked right next to the man, and yet there's no Class Action or Court case? Yet, what we are getting is a bunch of boo hiss towards Miscavige and how he alone fucked it all up. You want the truth, and we all want the truth, but missing is Marty's truth about LRH and the fact that he's attempting to salvage Scientology and the image of L. Ron Hubbard. We're still hearing the same OSA and Marketing PR lines and Ron Mag issues from a camp that's supposedly all about truth.
I know Gerry was in the Sea Org and worked in some very sensitive areas. I'm sure what I've written above is ringing some bells.
Another thing, when I blew from the Int base 11 years ago, I was STILL on the fence about the whole thing. In other words, my own feeling was that maybe Hubbard and the Tech was all good but it was just management and the Sea Org that was all wrong. Luckily for me, there was no Marty or INDY scene for me to get sucked into. I discovered ARS and THIS website and that's all I needed to find out the real truth about L. Ron Hubbard and what he was all about. The AFFIRMATIONS were KEY in getting me to wake up immediately and never look back. Having been a hardcore, card carrying, 23 years long Scientologist, raised in it from childhood - 10 of those years being a seasoned SO member at the Int base and having worked on staff prior to that to almost immediately finding the truth and leaving ALL of it behind in a matter of a couple months is what happened for me. No way stops. No R and R before realizing it's all bunk. It was almost instantaneous with finding out about Hubbard and his actual history.
Marty and Mike OTOH are trying to rewrite that history and continue the whitewash, which has already been a long-time-going GO/OSA op from the get go.
Caroline and Gerry, I wish you the best of luck in getting Marty to change his attitude and help you with providing the truth, but fact of the matter is that you are both an enemy of LRH, Marty's best friend. And that's why he won't help you and never will until he wakes the fuck up from dreamland.
Thanks John. It means a lot to Gerry and me, and ultimately to the whole SP class.
Thanks too for taking care of your grandmother. We’ll probably all need someone to take care of us like that some day.
I believe that Marty and Mike won’t tell the truth because the truth would set a lot of people free, and it serves their purposes to keep people trapped. Gerry said your post was thought-provoking for him and he’ll respond separately.
You asked what in addition to the truth of Lisa McPherson should be in a court room, and the biggest, most monstrous case that should be in a court room is Scientology v. Armstrong
. This includes, of course, Scientology v. persons acting in concert with Gerry
, like me. That’s the case that Marty and Mike could most help if they told the truth. And that’s why they don’t do it.
I think Marty’s awake and Mike’s awake enough, and they aren’t exactly in dreamland. They’ve been too cynical for too long. I think it’s a matter of them in their awake state simply growing a backbone. People with backbones tell the truth.
The task appears to be then getting them to see that backbonelessness is fail and that having a backbone is a good thing, even though they’d have to use it to have it. Maybe they have to wake up to the fact that they’re cowards.
In any case I believe it will be clear when or if Marty or Mike wake up and grow a backbone, and they haven’t.
I was struck by this insight:
On the Scientology Org Board there is a division called Division 6C (Field Control Division) - Div 6 as a whole being the Public Division. The valuable final product of the Field Control Division is a thriving and controlled field of active Scientologists. The use of the word "controlled" is pretty key because that's what Hubbard himself intended with the use of Scientology technique - top that with the overall purpose of making money, and making more money (which is policy numero uno). DM has been trying to control the members of Scientology and it's field just as LRH intended. DM however doesn't have the charm and charisma that Hubbard had, and is from Philly, so there you go.
Marty and the "Indy" crowd fit right there on Scientology's (CoS's) Org Board under Division 6C whether they like it or not.
This relationship, and the relationship that DM and Scientology have adopted regarding everyone on this planet actually, makes Scientology a relevant issue for us all, and one of legitimate concern.