To put it simply, it is impossible to become a "retard" at a young adult age. Retardation is defined as appearing before adulthood.

Was Hubbard a druggie? You bet. Was he insane? Absolutely. Brain damaged? Possibly. Retarded? No.

The articles that I provided show that someone with predisposition to SP could get as the result of drug use. Coupled with hallucinations, SP brings the IQ scores to the MR level.
My cousin think that Hubbard was a retard from the day of his birth.
Maybe, Hubbard was born with MR, maybe his IQ went down when he was a young adult. That does not really matter. The point that I was making is that Dianetics and Scientology materials were written by someone whose IQ is below 70 mark.

There are certain instances where Hubbard's behaviour cannot be explained without assuming that his IQ was in the MR range. I gave some examples of such behaviour, I will give more.

Some Scientologists and ex-Scientologists find it hard to believe that Hubbard was a retard because "he wrote so many books, articles and HCOBs" I have a surprise for them -- another retard, Vladimir Lenin, produced even more written data than Hubbard did (Lenin's IQ plummeted after he got infected with syphilis). Lenin is considered to be the most prolific nonfiction writer.

Hubbard managed to harm Scientology even further by “revealing” the data from his own track -- the retard, apparently, did not realize that this OT data should have been kept confidential. By not hiding it he gave his critics an opportunity to have a field day at his expense. This does not look like workings of a conman to me-- only a retard, who had best of intentions, could hurt his Scientology baby so badly.
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Routine 3N incidents.
The Aircraft Door Goals were implanted between 315 trillion years ago and 216 trillion years ago aboard the fuselage of an aircraft, with the thetan held motionless in front of the aircraft door. Hubbard writes that "the goal items were laid in with explosions". The specific goals given in this implant were variants of the command "to create." ("Routine 3N: Line Plots", HCOB 14 July 1963)
Bear Goals
The Bear Goals were very similar to the Gorilla Goals (see below) with the same set of goals, except that "instead of a mechanical gorilla a mechanical or live bear was used, and the motion was even more violent." They were implanted by "a group called, I think, "The Brothers of the Bear" and were the ancestors of the Hoipolloi." ("Routine 3N: Line Plots", HCOB 14 July 1963)
According to Scientology, the Gorilla Goals were a series of implants created by invaders from Helatrobus "between about 319 trillion years ago to about 256 trillion years ago". They were given in an amusement park with a single tunnel, a roller coaster and a Ferris wheel ... The symbol of a Gorilla was always present in the place the goal was given. Sometimes a large gorilla, black, was seen elsewhere than the park. A mechanical or a live gorilla was always seen in the park. This activity was conducted by the Hoipolloi, a group of operators in meat body societies. They were typical carnival people. They let out concessions for these implant "Amusement Parks." A pink-striped white shirt with sleeve garters was the uniform of the Hoipolloi. Such a figure often rode on the roller coaster cars. Monkeys were also used on the cars. Elephants sometimes formed part of the equipment.
("Routine 3N: Line Plots", HCOB 14 July 1963)
The Hoipolloi used "fantastic motion" as well as "blasts of raw electricity and explosions" to brainwash the thetans into accepting the Gorilla Goals. The goals themselves were a series of simple tasks intended to trick the thetans into limiting their inherent abilities, with the goals including "To End", "To be Dead", "To be Asleep", "To be Solid", "To be Sexual" and so on.
The Invisible Picture Goals were implanted by an early race of alien implanters some time between "110,000 trillion years ago or earlier to 390 trillion years ago". They comprised brainwashing of captive thetans by showing them pictures of diametrically opposed goals such as "Wake, Never Wake, Sleep, Never Sleep", as well as invisible pictures to confuse the thetan. The other pictures would "consist usually of a scene of a cave, a railway, an airplane, a view of a sun and planets
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Yeh, that is the famous HCOB 14 July 1963, which has always been in public view. I heard that CoS made is confidential not a long ago. Too late for that.

This post is a bit different from the others at this thread because I’m going to discuss what kind of effect Hubbard’s low IQ has on the Sea Org attrition rate.

Sea Org is like a revolving door -- about 80% of the recruits leave CoS within first 4 months of their service. Half of them leave because of poor living conditions and meager salary. But the other half leave after they discover something that Hubbard said.

Steve had BS in Economics. He left Flag after 3 months of faithful service after he read Hubbard’s HCOBs on management. Hubbard’s recommendations were so obtuse that Steve told me “Only an idiot could have written something like this”. I couldn’t agree more because I was out of the cult at that time.

Marcy read Hubbard’s booklet (forgot its title) where he talks about thetans stealing mental pictures from each other. That “scientific data” looked completely insane to her.

Edmond left Sea Org after he read Hubbard’s masterpiece, A History of Man (I will discuss this book later). “Was Hubbard on drugs or something?”, Edmond told me.

Patrick left Sea Org because he could not make sense of the infamous HCOB where Hubbard compares democracy to “stone idols”. Clearly, Hubbard hated the democracy. “But what the democracy has to do with stone idols?”, Patrick kept asking himself. Incidentally, not a single Scientologist was able to explain to me the meaning of that phrase; I am still baffled by it.

The greatest enemy of his Church is Hubbard himself with his mental retardation.

Pastor Moon wants to show his followers that he is a great economist and manager. To do that he buys the best books on economy and management, reads them and then paraphrases the material. The material he presents is perfect, no one doubts his superior knowledge of economics and management.
Hubbard’s Management Series is a collection of extremely bad economic and management ideas. I am not going to discuss the Hubbard nonsense in greater detail, but I will give 2 examples: 1. Statistical graphs that he used are full of unrelated data put on the same sheet of paper for the purpose of drawing a single line combining all that data. Not a single company in the world, except for CoS, uses the Hubbard economics methodology.
2. “When company is losing money, its stuff should do extensive marketing of their products”, says Hubbard. But that is a grave mistake -- when a company is in trouble, it should undergo restructuring; even the best marketing practice won’t save it from bankruptcy.
No wonder why the average Sea Org salary is $ 20 per week.
Why Hubbard could not be like Moon? How difficult would it be for him to paraphrase a good textbook on management?
Reading an economics textbook is different from reading a sci-fi novel. Scientific literature requires from the reader certain degree of intellectual sophistication, which is something that an imbecile cannot possibly have. For the same reason Hubbard could not complete his undergraduate degree -- as a rule, people with mild mental retardation cannot comprehend collage material.
Hubbard tried hard to understand college textbooks but failed ever so miserably. When he decided to portray himself as the most advanced economist of all times, he had no other choice but to rely on his limited mental capacity. The result of his feeble-minded attempts was the economics monster, The Management Series The imbecile was so proud of himself after he finished the Series that he did not seek a professional evaluation of his garbage ideas.
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So far I have been kind to Hubbard -- I was presenting his ideas that are completely wrong but at least comprehensible.
People who suffer from mild mental retardation often produce nonsensical sentences that no one, including themselves, can understand. Hubbard produced plenty of gibberish that no one can interpret. Here are the examples of his completely idiotic assertions that I borrowed from another thread, Hubbard and Scientology's "Life is a Game" Philosophy.
“28 The resolution of any problem posed here by is the establishment of view-points and dimension points, the betterment of condition and concourse amongst dimension points, and, thereby, viewpoints, and the remedy of abundance or scarcity in all things, pleasant or ugly, by the rehabilitation of the ability of the viewpoint to assume points of view and create and uncreate, neglect, start, change and stop dimension points of any kind at the determinism of the viewpoint. Certainty in all three universes must be regained, for certainty, not data, is knowledge“
“29 In the opinion of the viewpoint, any beingness, any thing, is better than no thing, any effect is better than no effect, any universe better than no universe, any particle better than no particle, but the particle of admiration is best of all“.

Our super-idiot had an amazing ability to produce pseudo-philosophical gibberish!

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I saw that Katie Holmes flopped on a pictionary game show. I would have thought that clay tabling would have helped out with this skill making her a ringer.

I was curious how far is she on the Bridge. Is she an OT?

I dont know where she is on the ladder to nowhere, but would be willing to be that they have a nice clay table at home.

So Katie stooped to a level of an idiot. Talking about Hubbafd's MR -- I got more data from his track:


The book, A History of Man, is another example of a product of Hubbard’s mental retardation.
“The preclear was on Mars without a body 469,476,600 years ago, creating havoc, destroying a bridge and buildings. The people were called by an alarm to temple. PC [preclear] went and broke the back pew, and the Temple tower. He wandered in town and saw a doll in a window, and got entrapped [inside the doll] trying to move its limbs. People seized it, beat it up, and threw the doll out of the window (30 ft. drop). The doll was taken roughly to the Temple, and was zapped by a bishop's gun while the congregation chanted "God is Love." When the people left, the doll, out of control, staggered out and was run over by a large car and a steamroller. It was then taken back to the Bishop, who ordered it to be taken (in a lorry with others) to dig trenches or ditches for 2,000 years. (The whole incident took nearly 2,000,000 years.) Then it was taken and the body was removed and the PC was promised a robot body. The thetan (PC) went up to an implant station and was put into an ice-cube and went by flying saucer and was dropped at Planet ZX 432.”
The book describes numerous "incidents" that, according to Hubbard, occurred to the thetan or the genetic entity in past lives.
As if this nonsense was not enough, Hubbard describes incidents from his own track”
“ The Atom, "complete with electronic rings". According to Hubbard, "There seems to be a 'hole in space' immediately ahead of the Atom", which generates a particular state of mind in a person.
The Cosmic Impact, based on the premise that "As physicists tell us, cosmic rays enter the body in large numbers and occasionally explode in the body. Very early on the track the impact of a cosmic ray and its explosion is very destructive to the existing organism."
The Photon Converter, essentially an early photosynthetic organism such as an alga or plankton. Hubbard deemed the Photon Converter to be responsible for fears of "light and dark, the storms of the sea, the fight to keep from rolling into the surf."
The Helper, an incident of mitosis (cell division) in some unnamed organism which was "a confusing area for the [genetic entity] which therein has much cause for misidentification."
The Clam, one of a number of incidents between The Helper and The Weeper. The others include seaweed and "jellyfish incidents [which] are quite remarkable for their occasional aberrative force". Encounters between jellyfish and cave walls are held to be responsible for the emergence of "a shell as in the clam." The Clam itself is "a deadly incident" involving a "scalloped-lip, white- shelled creature" which suffered from a severe split personality or "double-hinge problem. One hinge wishes to stay open, the other tries to close, thus conflict occurs." According to Hubbard, the hinges of the Clam "later become the hinges of the human jaw" and the Clam's method of reproducing using spores is said to be responsible for toothache. In one of the most famous passages of the book, Hubbard advised that
Should you desire to confirm this, describe to some uninitiated person the death of a clam“.
Hubbard believed in his own hallucinations as if they were a reality; he explains why the hallucinations are real.

"The MEST universe can be established easily to be an illusion.... It is not that the universe does not exist, rather, it has no objective, independent reality. It is a frivolous mental game created and played by thetans. Conventional reality simply results from the primordial thetan agreement ("mock-up") and no more. Thus, "objective" reality is simply a temporary subjective manifestation of the mind of thetans“.
A person with severe mental illness is capable of believing in his own hallucinations, which was the case of the Hubbard the Idiot.

I thought that this thread has outlived its usefulness. But yesterday I found Hubbard’s college grades (he dropped out of college after completing just two semesters) which show that his mental illness (MR) prevented him from earning BS in Civil Engineering. It is know that people with mild mental retardation cannot earn a college degree.

Hubbard’s college grades.
History -- C (first semester) B (second semester)
General Chemistry-- D (first semester) D (second semester)
Mechanical Drawings -- B (first semester) C (second semester)
Plain analytical geometry - F (first semester)
Physical education -- C (first semester) A (second semester)
First year German -- E (first semester) F (second semester)
Differential calculus -- F (second semester)
Materials of construction --Incomplete (first semester) Incomplete (second semester)
Dynamics, sound and light -- E (first semester)
Integral calculus-- Incomplete (first semester) D (second semester)
The short story -- B (first semester) B (second semester)
Electricity and magnetism -- D (second semester)
Modern physical phenomena - F (first semester)

PLACED ON PROBATION FOR DEFICIENCY IN SCHOLARSHIP, September 1931

Okay, Johnny Thunders, good one. You win.

FBI agent writing on one of Elron's letters:
"Appears mental."

Also, "...perception that Hubbard got seriously mentally ill when he was going OT."
I would agree as to this being a distinct possibility.

I decided to bring this thread back because I found new data showing that Hubbard was not in control of his Church. This data comes from an official Scientology website.

http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige.html

“Later, at Mr. Hubbard’s request, Mr. Miscavige served as the senior executive supervising ecclesiastical missions to Scientology Churches around the world. By the age of 18, David Miscavige had become the individual L. Ron Hubbard called upon to carry out the most important assignments. No Church executive in history ever received more direct communication from L. Ron Hubbard than Mr. Miscavige.
In 1983, L. Ron Hubbard described a heroic Church executive who cleaned the ranks of rogue staff attempting to seize control of Scientology while Mr. Hubbard was engaged in intensive research and absent from the Church. As Mr. Hubbard himself phrased it:
“So forgive me for not managing the Church when it almost fell into hostile hands. It all came out all right. Why? Because real Scientologists made sure it did. My faith was justified.”
That real Scientologist L. Ron Hubbard spoke of was David Miscavige.
In light of what had nearly transpired, L. Ron Hubbard requested a corporate reorganization of the Church designed to ensure the Church would not fall into hostile hands.”

Please, note that Hubbard used a plural to describe “real Scientologists” while the website commentary contains Miscavige’s name only. Regardless of who was in control of CoS, it is clear that Hubbard was not running the Church when it was under Miscavige’s stewardship.

“According to science fiction writer Frederick Pohl, John W. Campbell Jr. was in "the presiding triumvirate who ran Dianetics/Scientology," the other two men being Dr. Joseph Winter and L. Ron Hubbard. (Ref. http://www.thewaythefutureblogs.com/200 ... rs-part-2/). (Also see Pohl's Me and Alfie, Part 6: John W. Campbell and Dianetics)”

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=39380&hilit=hubbard+%26+campbell

The above quotations are from the thread that was produced by Caroline.

There were other chief executives between the aforementioned presiding triumvirate and Miscavige. Hubbard was never in full MANAGERIAL control of the Church that he founded, although he was in full control of the Tech. My point is that a person with mild mental retardation cannot be a CEO or anything similar to it, although he is quite capable of producing cult teachings.

IQ scores are overated i think, personally it doesn't say much. People can be intelligent in other ways were IQ scores aren't required.

I think L Ron Hubbard wasn't a retard, but definitely a sociopath

Here's a link to his qualifications, let me know what you think of is average grade of D



http://www.ronthenut.org/grades.htm

I think I covered this topic in the past. I do not think that IQ tests are helpful in determining who is a genius and who is not -- in this sense they are grossly overrated. But when used in the lower range of the IQ scale, they are instrumental in diagnosing a mental disorder -- for this reason the scale used by APA covers the lower range only (from zero to 80)

Just a thought, but has there been any analysis of Hubbard's handwritting to see what that would indicate? I know that handwritting analysis is controversial, but would having MR affect handwritting in any way?

Hubbard wrote his books to a certain target audience and may have been just using that sort of language to appeal to the ignorance of his readers, being the con man that I believe that he was (maybe there is a little "MR" in all of us). Hubbard did write things other than just books (letters, etc) and I think it would be interesting to see if those also indicate that he had MR (or psychological disorders).

Hubbard did seem to be quite litereate and a good writter. But then again, a low IQ does not make one immune to having a special talent or two. I am a former $cilon and don't like to believe that I was conned by a "retard", and a dead retard at that. One lesson that I learned from $cientology is to not allow anyone to appeal to your ignorance and fill in your "blanks" with whatever they want. Get informed. That alone would have stopped me from joining the cult.