Tom, I don't trust you to quote me correctly. I'd appreciate it if you would post the entire (email?). Go for it.
Otherwise its bollocks.

I really lost my temper around...when you outed me. Shocking!
You also outed my home town dozens of times. nice.......

Apparently, if I did write that...you didnt take me seriously, did you Tommyboy...?

(Message edited by umike on June 10, 2005)

Umike,



You have been trying to "out" me for ages, and you still can't get it right.

Tom got it right, and you are still biting into your pillow (hopefully not the one your "nocturnal emissions" seeped into) with regard to myself.

What on earth gave you the right to out Ultramichael and my hometown (many times) on ars Tom?

At the time-you could have caused me serious problems.
Somone e mailed the home phone number of OC longest running personal attack troll (Nec) quite some time ago. You would have to put a gun to my head before I would post it here, jerk.

Were you hoping that SCN would cause me some distress?

Did you see me as someone undeserving of the safety anonymity
offers?

Did you think you were "better" than me Tom?

This was during a very precarious time-many people were
investigated, homes picketed.lawsuits filed. How could you do that to anyone Tom?

(Message edited by umike on June 10, 2005)

To set the record straight and shoot down the BS fiction being posted by Nec, Padgett, Ladybird, Magoo, et al.......

For those who weren't there and/or don't remember what started this........Pete (GoNuclear) asked me a question, which I answered. Magoo hops in and questions why I was at a CAN Conference as if the only reasons for being there were if one were a Scientologist, an ex, or OSA.....and away we go....

Senior Member
Username: Tigger
Post Number: 5215
Registered: 11-2000
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:31 pm:

GoNuclear,

I met Dr. West at the 1992 LA CAN Conference.

I know of no information about Dr. West that is not appropriate for posting. Do you? If so, your source is.........?

JOLLY WEST, REAL AMERICAN HERO
http://groups.google.ca/group/ alt.religion.scientology/msg/3 f3b047196...

the REAL SKINNY ON THE "ELEPHANT"
http://groups.google.ca/group/ alt.religion.scientology/brows e_thread/...

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Tory/Magoo!
Senior Member
Username: Magoo1
Post Number: 3626
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:53 am:

> I agree! Sooooo glad you're all here!

I'm really glad each one of you who posts about the abuses of C of S, or shares stories of your experiences, or helps each of us...I've very glad you're here.

To the few who constantly pick at the individuals....I agree: Go back to FACTnet, please. You were soooo well liked, there, and no one minded, as no one reads it anymore, thanks to
those very same people. They should be so proud.

For the rest: Happy Memorial Day Week-end~~~!!!

Tory/Magoo

~~Dancing in the Moonlight~~
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Tory/Magoo!
Senior Member
Username: Magoo1
Post Number: 3627
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:58 am:

PS: "Tigger"...I was at that very same CAN Convention...now you've got me wondering, as I thought you weren't in C of S. What brought you to
that? We were all with OSA, as volunteers. What brought you there?

I met Jolly West there, too, and asked him about how he felt about drugging the elephants with LSD. What a totally stupid question, and he let me know it, in no uncertain terms.

Tory/Magoo
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Tigger
Senior Member
Username: Tigger
Post Number: 5221
Registered: 11-2000
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 3:39 pm:

On for crying out loud, Magoo. How many times in the last five years have I told you and everyone else on a.r.s. and OCMB that I was Vice
President of Oklahoma City CULT AWARENESS NETWORK.

I WAS NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN A SCIENTOLOGIST.

I AM NOT OSA. I AM NOT WORKING FOR OSA.

I was at the CAN Conference because I was a member of CAN. That's what CAN members do......attend CAN Conferences.
Get that through your thick head.

Tigger

P.S. I and several other CAN members, who stayed at the hotel, got our credit card numbers stolen. Did you have a part in that too?

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Tory/Magoo!
Senior Member
Username: Magoo1
Post Number: 3628
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:39 pm:

T......g....

You're always fun to read when your hair stands up on end. Did I rip off your credit cards? Well, I could Yell at you as you have: HOW MANY TIMES
HAVE I TOLD YOU I WORKED IN PR, ON THE FRONT LINES, AND DIDN'T DO COVERT OPS?!?

But that's not too nice, is it (Caps, which I'm told = yelling)? So no,I never worked on anything having to do with anyone's credit cards, nor did I ever even know that happened. If I did, I probably would have left, long ago. The closest I came to anything Covert was watching Bill Yaude do his shtick, and then assisting in the TOP SECRET OSA INT INTERNET MAFIA accounts,
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/to ryonosa.htm And once I connected the dots and realized what their ***Real Product** was, vs. the hype, I left C of
S/Scientology F O R E V E R.

Re your CAN history.....I guess it's just that you do things to make it seem like the opposite of someone who was the head of CAN, in any town or state.

Every person I know who was connected with CAN is happy to read what I post, talk with me, hear what I have to say, as with other posters/critics who expose the abuses of Scientology also....many you seem to attack, go after, twist who they are (They may post thousands of words exposing time, place, form, event of what's behind Scientology
really, however it is YOU and a few of your pals who seem to spend endless hours trying to highlight something you disagree with, find fault with, etc).

That, my dear, is exactly a product of OSA...no matter who you are or were, whether you know it, or not. The very fact that you constantly are
the "Umike" Cheerleader (and esp. for his trash) brings up huge red flags for me, as to who you really are. Maybe you were, and if so, I take it back. But IF you really were "the Head of CAN"(in your area) and you really, and truly had their purpose, what's up?

To you and anyone reading, being the "Head of CAN" still means next to nothing to me, as Scientology totally infiltrated CAN, took it over, bankrupted them, and re-opened as CAN. So if a parent types in Cult Awareness Nnetwork, they'll get "The Church of Scientology". How sick is that?

These posts I'm referring to, the ones you write picking at critics endlessly(vs. Forwarding factual posts, which you do a great job of) don't fit the image of what the original people who ran CAN cared about.

I hate to tell ya, but many DO fit their new image, run by C of S. I got you say you're not a Scientologist, and that, too, means next to nothing to me. *If it walks like a duck,and it quacks like a duck: It IS
a duck!" Quit Quackin' for them. And quit writing flat out lies about me, and others. That's quackin' for them! ("Tory is this, Tory is that".

That's quackin' for them all the way. Let people read whatever the Hell they want, and make up their own mind.

Or post whatever it is that
honestly you disagree with. But quit running the black ops...lies...she's this, he's that....that is intentional crap, distraction, false, and directly assists guess who?)

I go by what people DO overall, not by what their titles. Many of your posts are good, and for those, terrific. It's all the posts that constantly put others down..... good critics.... that make me wonder what your real purpose in this is.

And take a break: It's a holiday week-end

Tory/Magoo~
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Tory/Magoo!
Senior Member
Username: Magoo1
Post Number: 3629
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:44 pm:

Correction: Not head of CAN in your area,
"Vice President of Oklahoma City CULT AWARENESS NETWORK."

There....I stand corrected on your title, only.

T
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Tigger
Senior Member
Username: Tigger
Post Number: 5229
Registered: 11-2000
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 4:05 am:

Here we go again. You are basically accusing me of being OSA or doing OSA's work again and saying or implying a lot of false things about me.

You keep accusing me of telling lies about you, Magoo, yet you refuse to tell me what these lies were and produce evidence to back up your accusations. It's way past time for you to put your money where your mouth is.

For Ladybird and Lucy,

How *nice* was Tory's post?

Re: the Credit Card Caper.

OSA set off fire alarms to disrupt the conference, harassed attendees,
including Dr. West and picketed outside the hotel I am also pretty sure they had something to do with the theft of credit
card numbers and expiration dates which were used to mock up fake cards to purchase mostly computer equipment.

One of the OSA gang accousted Dr.West as he was coming in the door, which resulted in both the Scientologist and Dr. West being taken to the police station, making him late for his scheduled speech.

Magoo said she attended the conference as an OSA volunteer and *met* Dr. West.

I didn't say (or accuse) Magoo was part of the Credit Card op. I *asked* if she had a part in it. There is a difference.

Tigger
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YOOHOO, MAGOO

There is "A PLACE for TORY/MAGOO to PROVE Her CASE" on Factnet and a.r.s.

In other words, it's time for you to produce this list of "flat out lies" with backup that I've told about you. The "PLACE" will remain open until you do.

Have a nice day!

Tigger

~~Wacking Weeds in the Sunlight~~

~~End of Quotes~~

Magoo has accused me of "endlessly posting" "flat out lies" about her and other "critics". So what are these "lies" and who are these "critics". If there are so many "flat out lies" (BTW what is her definition of a "flat out lie") and endless posts, then why is she having so much difficulty in producing a list of lies and critics?

Tigger

Umike,



How exactly does one do what you have just said?

Not that any of your other posts make sense, but this statement is just ignorance personified.

Umike.

go for it.

I demand that you post my phone number on this MB here and now, or else be damned for the liar you are.

Your previous post can of course be held up for a shining example of your honesty

Tom, you can lie if you feel it makes you look better..but we were friends Tom. Lots of e mails. Instant messaging probably weekly and I believe 2 or 3 phone calls. That went on for about 2-3 months. Then...you out me.

I just want you to take responsibility for that at OCMB. OK? Its well known on ars-not here.

Tigger was there for a number of the IM connections. remember...?

Mike

(Message edited by umike on June 10, 2005)

Where does the Tigger-Umike-Scienoborg mentality fall down?

They have to be right.

For myself, I don't need to hide.

If I'm wrong, then I learn, and if I'm right then all I can do is lose.

Ladybird wrote:

Tigger should know better than going along with and forwarding umikes lies, she has been hanging around with him for years.

And you should know better Ladybird than to make accusations about lies without specifying what these "lies" were.

So what lies have I been forwarding? List the lies and prove it. I guess Merlin's little talk with you didn't sink in. Shall I repost it?

Tigger

Tigger, umike has accused me and many others of being drunks and alcoholics. The posts are right here in this thread.

So what did you mean by this?

"...your red face is turning blue." (Tigger quote this am).

sounded like the same "red Face" crap umike said in one of his "alcoholic" rants.

I asked you earlier today what you meant, you might look back at this thread before you go into attack mode.

I have been on the defense here, I don't think Merlin meant I cannot defend myself.

Take a look at how you and umike fly off the handle with the slightest criticism, and think what you would do if umikes posts on this thread today were attacking you instead of me today.

I doubt that you would have just let it slide.

Umikes own words show what kind of person he is.
Most of the things he says about me he has no way of knowing, and are not true.

Ladybird

Ive had it. Im going to be like Jonathon and just love my (real) detractors to death..!!

ARNIE-GALILEO Im going to kiss you.....!AHAHAHAHHA>>>>> runnn. LOL:twisted:



(Message edited by umike on June 10, 2005)

Ladybird wrote:"Tigger, umike has accused me and many others of being drunks and alcoholics. The posts are right here in this thread."

There you go being my Ethics officer again. Many of us over the years will get encounter attack drunks. In the past I have remarked about it and will in the future.

This is about your first 2 weeks here where many people thought you weren't handling you liquor too well.
You actually admitted having a big snoot full a couple times as I recall. If you don't want to be "Ladydrunk" then act responsibly.
LOTS of people do all kinds of things posting. I could care less. A small minority like yourself get belligerant, sloppy and foul.
Then start attacking folks. You attacked a LOT of people.

That You HONEY. Own it.
My dealings with others has nothing to do with you Chesssy.


I dont know/dont care if you are alcoholic. Not my problemo.
You are just a newbie. Not worth much time truthfully...
Your story is uninteresting to me. I have no interest in
being friends, getting to know you. I avoid Toxic people like you all the time. Stay away. As I told you last week... Fair Warning. Last Warning. I'm not joking.

BuhBye!!



(Message edited by umike on June 10, 2005)

Stay away or you will regret it as I told you last week. Fair Warning. Last Warning. Im not joking.

Huh?
This is an undressing scientology website. It's not a "threaten to harm the clambake posters" website.

Huh?

That's right. It's about Scn. Not about personalities. (did you see my pun post? It was corny but I meant it.)