If so, did we re-ignite it?

GB...I hope that reignition took place...or maybe even gave it wings. We shall see I guess

Soderqvist1: it means that it is not their business if FBI investigate the church, or not!
Whose job it is they don’t tell! Is that a coincidence? I don’t think so!

Tony Ortega on "Village Voice" did a really good analysis of the response.

Quote:

But if you know how federal investigations work, you know that there's little chance Obama could discuss this topic, even if he wanted to. Federal agencies and their investigators tend to be very selective about what they say about completed, successful cases. But uncompleted ones, or closed investigations? They tend to say nothing.

Could the President, however, open an official investigation of his own Justice Department, and ask why a probe of Scientology never came to anything? Sure he could. But never in a million years based only on a petition signed by 6,000 people.

If, in fact, David Miscavige managed to fend off an FBI investigation by having someone with influence at the Justice Department apply pressure, that's something I'd like to know more about myself -- and hopefully, far better journalists than your narrator, with solid sources at Justice, can root it out. And of course, there's another possibility: if the FBI investigation is not, in fact, dead, we'd get the same response from the White House.

In the meantime, I do take some solace in the White House response. I had predicted, when the petition had just got going, that the Obama administration would dismiss it by saying it doesn't get involved in conflicts of a religious nature. I was wrong. [b]Look again at the language of the response.

It's the Justice Department's job to enforce federal crime, the White House writes. And Obama can't speak about this law enforcement matter.

At least, in this regard, Obama correctly places this matter in its proper context. This was not a question of religion. It was a matter of whether Scientology is committing federal crimes which should be treated as a law enforcement matter.

If Obama can't comment on such an investigation, at least he is not trying to pass it off as something less than what it is: reports of federal crime.

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David Miscavige is secret CIA source or informant according to the ex-CIA agent Robert Crowley as can be seen in his files as revealed after his death. Obviously there is no PR value for Miscavige to be clandestine, but he probably know a lot through his own intelligence department known as ‘OSA’ and he probably as a CIA Source give CIA information which can be of interest to them, as he has acquired from OSA around the world, and there is no such thing as free lunch for CIA as can be seen in the answer we got from the government today!
http://cryptome.org/cia-2619.htm

Thanks for posting this, Karen. It really helps deconstruct.

At first I thought the response was simply a rejection of the petition. But indeed, it does seem more along the lines of the FBI not being able to confirm or deny the fact that there is an investigation.

I didn't expect the petition to be taken seriously in the first place, thus I'm not surprised with the email. However, it's not a total bust..

It showed that over 5,000 people have concerns... if ever anything tragic occurs in the future involving corporate Scientology that causes a major scandal, we can always refer the media back to this petition which the White House chose to ignore.

Skeptic Girl.

Yes indeed.

Note how there is no mention of Scientolgy is a Religion, or we don't interfere in 1st amendment issues etc etc.
It simply talks about FEDERAL CRIMES

I don't think they ignored it, though -- I don't consider it as such. I mean, we would expect a proper response to be for the government to put the FBI on it, and the FBI is already on it, right? I've always assumed (though perhaps too optimistically?) that it takes a long time for the FBI to get a case together, and who knows what obstacles they've encountered along the way as regards bribery, blackmail, etc.

And I would never discourage anyone from taking any action against anything that needs public attention for fear the the action wouldn't be taken seriously.

You've at least gotta try.

And you're exactly right, Smurf. No matter what does or doesn't happen, it will always be true that almost immediately after the White House made it possible for citizens to submit petitions on certain issues, lawyer Graham Berry made one up regarding the Church of Scientology and got more than a thousand more signatures than the minimum needed and this will always be able to be cited as *dox* that the public knows about the abuses of Scientology and wants something done about it.

The H Files hosted on xenu.net include records from at least some of the past FBI investigations into L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics, Scientology and Scientologists, going back to their early 50’s investigation of the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation. They found Ron the Commie Hunter.

Now we also have The Real X Files, which include FBI files on Hubbard's 1952 scam "Dean Carnahan and the ASW." This archive also includes correspondence relating to Scientology’s 1980’s frame up of Gerry Armstrong: (Ref. http://usminc.org/FBIFILES/SEVEN/)

In Boston, 1985-1986, the FBI investigated Scientology's false charge that Gerry impersonated an FBI officer. http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/fbi/index.html. The FBI undoubtedly investigated before Gerry acted as a Federal witness in cases against Scientology.

Vicki Aznaran testified in 1989 about reporting to the FBI about Scientology’s operations against Judge Swearinger. http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2003-07-31.html
See also this 1986 Scientology Swearinger investigation document (Translation: "ML Marty" = Much love, Mark Rathbun)

The FBI had to have opened a file on Scientology prior to raiding the cult in 1977.

Yep Peter,

David Miscavige has been the most ass-beatenest COB this side of the Pecos, but I guess his Intelligence Gathering Apparatus serves another.

This would expain why there's no justice.

...anyone else would have been thrown in jail years ago for much less!

Yeah,

If you go down and read the comments, I hope everyone notices Marty has nothing but sycophants over there.

He talks about this being a natter board, but it's not weird that everyone who posts over there is all...

...oh Marty, you're so right!

...oh Marty, you nailed it!

...oh Marty, you must be reading my mind..

Law enforcement agencies at all levels tend not to move on anything unless the people in charge feel they have enough of whatever they need to very solidly make a case. One reason for this is that once a person or entity is tried and acquitted they can never again be tried for that particular thing.

Once a law enforcement agency gets sufficient evidence and feels certain of getting a conviction it tends to act very swiftly with overwhelming force and fire power. I assure you, no one who has completed OT 3 is free from that kind of overwhelm. Just like the Spanish inquisition, no one ever expects it.

In the meantime the FBI does not disclose what it investigates and what evidence it has collected. Have patience.

Good post Wieber !


Meanwhile Graham and I and * * and * * had an enchanting evening tonight
can't post their images !

shshsshhhhhhhhhhhh

Onward and forward