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 Post subject: Re: WWP admins ban a whole city!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:58 am 
14 pages of zero. Hmmm, if perhaps some of you could just put that effort behind say exposing a cult it would may be of benifit to those in harms way, but I think several of you are incapable of that huh? Carry on!


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 Post subject: Re: WWP admins ban a whole city!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:36 am 
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Doxing a fellow Anon is inexcusable, even if you don't agree with them. I sided with you Smurf back on WWP, but this has drastically changed my outlook. How could you do such a thing? Now I know why you were banned. You're out of control.


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 Post subject: Re: WWP admins ban a whole city!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:03 am 
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Radio Paul wrote:
Smurf you and I have not always seen eye to eye but I have defended your right to be wrong. I also agree that there are some real Prima Donna's at WWP and that Sue was way off on banning you, but your form of retaliation of doxing a name is as about as bad of a thing as one could do. I had my run in with Rufus and I still think he had his head up his butt as I am sure he thought the same about me. None the less he did not give out my IP address to people. I hear people defending you and I agree on the points they have made but this is undefendable. Please take it down just to show you have some responsibility.
Paul, I have apologized to the mods. I was wrong to post it. At the time I posted it, I didn't see the harm because the cult is already aware who (name removed) is.. this individual was served a C & D letter when the cult was pulling all that crap, and the cult guards referred to (name removed) by his legal name at protests, as the Scilons did with me & other anons.

Likewise, for years on WWP, anons posted using my real name vs. "Smurf" and the mods said & did nothing. I said nothing because I didn't care. It's ironic that there's all this bawwing on WWP about my "doxing" (nick removed by mod), but not a peep was heard when I was continually doxed for the 3 years I was on WWP. Hypocrisy has no bounds there.

Moving on... I apologize for upsetting you & others here and will be mindful not to repeat it in the future. I am not beyond reproach or constructive criticism.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:24 am 
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Demented LRH wrote:
Smurf,
Miranda hinted that there may be amnesty for you, although she did not say that explicitly. The other mods supported Sue, but she did not -- she said that she does not want to get in the middle of it, or something like that. Herro is nobody, he is not even worth mentioning.
Sue posted baseless accusations against you, which means that he/she is not very smart. I do not know what will transpire in the future, but if they lift the ban, perhaps, you could reconsider your position and return to WWP.
I'm no longer interested, DLRH. Miranda is a mixed bag. She says she does not want to get involved, but she "likes" almost every one of Sue's post & Miranda has cast dispersions, as well.

WWP is a mixed bag as well. There are anons & a few mods I know of that truly have their heart in exposing what's wrong in Scientology, and there are just as many trolls who caused a ruckus and wage personal attacks for entertainment value, while the mods sit on their hands & do nothing. Many anons have expressed discontent with Herro, and it is Miranda that's consistently defending him. It boggles the mind, but as is often posted on WWP... NYPA.


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 Post subject: Re: WWP admins ban a whole city!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:30 am 
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Anonsnoop wrote:
Doxing a fellow Anon is inexcusable, even if you don't agree with them. I sided with you Smurf back on WWP, but this has drastically changed my outlook. How could you do such a thing? Now I know why you were banned. You're out of control.
You created an account here just to say that? You're welcome to your opinion. I made a bad judgement call and apologized for it.

I can only presume from your "out of control" comment that you are party to all the personal attacks & dispersions being vented on WWP on the thread about me. Well, now you have something else to report back to your friends to make a mockery of. Sheesh.. so grade school.


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 Post subject: Re: WhyWeProtest distraction Jan 2012
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:09 am 
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Yeah, posting the mod's name here made our whole site implicated for awhile. Now we're back to all nicknames for critics and that's good. The wwp concern seems to be that you should have gone to the authorities first before tipping off Sea Org that this boy had become a topic on wwp. I saw it more that you didn't know what authorities to go to, and you were looking for research buddies. That's why I went looking for California rules about schools, found schools over 6 students had to be registered, found the site listing those schools, and found Canyon Oaks on L. Ron Hubbard Way. When I googled it and found Montalvo, that cinched it. I do think this open conversation may help this boy, because I think Sea Org may well send him home to mom - how can they "hide" him if Child Protective Services ask about him? Child Protective Services could then call the mom and tell her Sea Org has misplaced her child. And, how can Sea Org risk letting Child Protective Services professionally interview the boy? A 12 year old can't be coached for every possible question. Home and a regular school are the logical places for Sea Org to send him, and in fact every Cadet if they think it through.

However, next time, if you found clues that, say, Heber Jentzsch was in a coma at a nursing home, but you weren't sure where, you might want to private message people first and ask for them to snoop around the Net and (discreetly) the grapevine, and figure out the clues.


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 Post subject: Re: WhyWeProtest distraction Jan 2012
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:36 am 
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Don Carlo wrote:
The wwp concern seems to be that you should have gone to the authorities first before tipping off Sea Org that this boy had become a topic on wwp.

However, next time, if you found clues that, say, Heber Jentzsch was in a coma at a nursing home, but you weren't sure where, you might want to private message people first and ask for them to snoop around the Net and (discreetly) the grapevine, and figure out the clues.
I could care less what the wwp concern is. Part of the problem of posting there is that most of the anons are not ex-Scilons, and they think they know what's best in handling a situation and want to force that view on others.

There's a reason for being open & transparent versus doing everything covertly in some cases. It's not the case in every scenario, I agree. Being transparent puts more heat on the cult to react in a manner that's not conducive to their agenda.


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 Post subject: Re: WWP admins ban a whole city!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:49 am 
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Smurf wrote:
I can only presume from your "out of control" comment that you are party to all the personal attacks & dispersions being vented on WWP on the thread about me. Well, now you have something else to report back to your friends to make a mockery of. Sheesh.. so grade school.


Smurf, we both don't always see eye-to-eye too, and yeah, sometimes you're just stomping around like the famous bull in the china shop, but the bullshit sue et al. are currently pulling is ridiculous. I really hope the more intelligent mods will eventually stop the nonsense.

For now, thank you for your work and your commitment, f***** :D And this is an honorory badge so don't get pissy yet again :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:25 pm 
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Gumbythetruth wrote:
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I would think that due to the sensitive nature of the topics covered that the Admins are well hidden and protected ID's.
LOL
I think not!

I was misquoted meaning that this quotation was erroneously assigned to me. I did not say anything of this sort because I know nothing about the protection that the modes have.

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 Post subject: Re: WhyWeProtest distraction Jan 2012
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:36 pm 
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It seems to me that Sue’s anger was caused by the photograph of cancer-stricken boy posted by Smurf (I have not seen the photograph). This does not look like a big deal to me because similar photographs are all over the Internet. The first person to post such photo is required by the law to obtain the child parents’ written consent, the others who copy the photo are not required to do anything.

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 Post subject: Re: WWP admins ban a whole city!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:49 pm 
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Smurf wrote:
Radio Paul wrote:
Smurf you and I have not always seen eye to eye but I have defended your right to be wrong. I also agree that there are some real Prima Donna's at WWP and that Sue was way off on banning you, but your form of retaliation of doxing a name is as about as bad of a thing as one could do. I had my run in with Rufus and I still think he had his head up his butt as I am sure he thought the same about me. None the less he did not give out my IP address to people. I hear people defending you and I agree on the points they have made but this is undefendable. Please take it down just to show you have some responsibility.
Paul, I have apologized to the mods. I was wrong to post it. At the time I posted it, I didn't see the harm because the cult is already aware who (deleted by mod, still too many clues here) is.. this individual was served a C & D letter when the cult was pulling all that crap, and the cult guards referred to (deleted)d by his legal name at protests, as the Scilons did with me & other anons.

Likewise, for years on WWP, anons posted using my real name vs. "Smurf" and the mods said & did nothing. I said nothing because I didn't care. It's ironic that there's all this bawwing on WWP about my "doxing" (nick removed by mod), but not a peep was heard when I was continually doxed for the 3 years I was on WWP. Hypocrisy has no bounds there.

Moving on... I apologize for upsetting you & others here and will be mindful not to repeat it in the future. I am not beyond reproach or constructive criticism.


Thank you for recognizing the gravity of it. Yes there are a lot of double standards at WWP and in some cases none.


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 Post subject: Re: WhyWeProtest distraction Jan 2012
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:06 pm 
Though smurf has apologized about revealing here something that was known to many including the cult, I have to give accolades to smurf for apologizing though I personally think he did nothing wrong. From day ONE if everyone stood up and used their REAL name it would defang an almost toothless beast, I.E the OSA goons and the cult. This would have long ago alleviated this entrenched paranoia that has been fed for decades concerning the cult. This behavior only emboldens the cult! Does one have the right to privacy? Why yes, but when and if you step into this arena you well better know the rules.

Like I have said in past posts,most that are very vocal and post frequently are known. Its human nature. We become online friends,then perhaps talk on the phone. This is normal behavior. Hiding is not! Hiding behind a fake name removes any credibility one has. This is how the world works people. Be proud of who you are!


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:15 pm 
Demented LRH wrote:
I was misquoted meaning that this quotation was erroneously assigned to me. I did not say anything of this sort because I know nothing about the protection that the modes have.
Sorry about that. It was directed at Radio Paul in reference to has an admin ever received a C & D,d. I did not want to broach the subject directly that yes in fact an admin had been C&D,d in the past. On another know it appears I do provide the hive with an odd form of entertainment. Here are a couple of lulzy quotes.

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Jesus Christ, that tone! You can take the Scientologist out of the cult...


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Jesus Christ, that tone! You can take the Scientologist out of the cult...
He was never a Scientologist. He just has issues. *sigh*

Great hair, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Mother turns 12-year old son over to the Sea Org
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:16 pm 
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Smurf wrote:
I sincerely appreciate the friends and support I got from some anons on WWP, but I have no desire to return there, even if the ban were to be lifted down the road.


Yes exactly. Why put up endless anti-gay bullshit. Most people who go to WWP.net go as visitors anyway. Few people actually post anything and usually only the the original post contains info. This is soon cross-posted to all the other boards anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: WhyWeProtest distraction Jan 2012
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A question was raised if a mod or administrator could be brought to a court as the result of CoS complain. I can think about only one scenario when civil lawsuit against a person who runs an anti-Scientology website is possible -- it could happen if someone posts a copyrighted data at the website.

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