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 Post subject: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:48 am 
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Karen De La Carriere... 13 January... found records confirming the death of Annie’s body, seven months ago...
Miscavige has covered up the death of Annie Tidman for more than half a year, after covering up her contraction of cancer for nearly two years.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... -memoriam/


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broker) Died Seven (7) Months
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:56 am 
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It's upsetting to me that she died in that place with no family or real friends there with her to comfort her. I pray that she rests in peace and is in a better place.

I wonder who else has died at Int that we don't know about. :x Maybe some families of Int staffers will wake up and take action now that they see the callous disregard the cult has for these things. If Annie were my kin I'd want to know what kind of medical treatment she received. Maybe her family can have this investigated.


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Miscavige sent Pat Broeker and his wife, Ann, to RPF’s RPF located somewhere in desert in late 1980s. That version of RPF was designed for high-ranking CoS officials.
Returning to CoS after several years of staying away from it was irrational decision -- Annie should have known by that time that she is no match for DM.
One thing I do not understand-- why would DM delay the announcement of Annie’s death?

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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broker) Died Seven (7) Months
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:20 am 
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It's upsetting to me that she died in that place with no family or real friends there with her to comfort her. I pray that she rests in peace and is in a better place.
Annie was given the same treatment that Uwe Stuckenbrock received, that all Sea Org staff receive when they become too old, too sick, or too disabled to carry out the productions goals set out for them (and have no family willing to take them in & provide for their care.) Off-loaded Sea Orgers are remanded to the care of nursing homes, paid for by state & county funding, to care for indigents.

Likewise, Sea Org staff in Los Angeles that are in need of medical care are transported to the University of Southern California Medical Center, which has a contingency agreement with LA County Health Services Division, to provide basic medical services to the uninsured & undocumented citizens.

Markus, Uwe's brother, shared with me the spartan, near unsanitary, living conditions that indigent patients live under in these nursing homes. Graham Berry, who visited the nursing home, where Uwe lived his final days, said the conditions were horrible & disgusting, and that Uwe was hardly treated better in the nursing home than when fellow RPF'ers assisted him getting in & out of bed (a soiled mattress in the cold, dirty basement - where the boilers are housed - of Big Blue).

Because of HIIPA laws, nursing homes are prevented from releasing information about a patient in their care, unless it is an immediate family member requesting it. The cult banks on this policy to prevent any info from being released that could lead back to wrongdoing on the part of the cult. Fortunately, in Uwe's case, someone was able to connect with a sympathetic staff member of the nursing home & get details of Uwe's care & his final days.

Uwe did not die at peace or with a smile on his face. I suspect neither did Annie, or the countless others that the cult dumped into the laps of the county.


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:31 am 
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Miscavige sent Pat Broeker and his wife, Ann, to RPF’s RPF located somewhere in desert in late 1980s.
Stop right there! I for the life of me would nevah allow anyone to send me anywhere without my consent. Would not Pat and Ann have a say? I mean come on now, to just blindly follow the dwarfs orders? This concept is beyond alien to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Gumbythetruth wrote:
Demented LRH wrote:
Miscavige sent Pat Broeker and his wife, Ann, to RPF’s RPF located somewhere in desert in late 1980s.
Stop right there! I for the life of me would nevah allow anyone to send me anywhere without my consent. Would not Pat and Ann have a say? I mean come on now, to just blindly follow the dwarfs orders? This concept is beyond alien to me.

I would not go to RPF, either. But they would not try to force someone like me to go to RPF because they know that it could be deadly for them, and I mean it literary.

Karen described how Scientologists were sent to “the hole” in the Clearwater facility; apparently, they had no will to resist. That kind of things happens every day at CoS.

Gumby, if I am correct, you never joined CoS. It might be difficult for you to understand the mindset of an average Scientologist. Even though I was a Scientologist, this kind of obedience boggles my mind. I used to say to my colleagues who believed that RPF is good for them,“ let’s say you refuse to go to RPF and they kick you out of Sea Org. Still, you can move up the Bridge if you want to by paying for the Bridge courses“. They all knew that I was telling the truth, but they still tried to convince me that following the order to go to RPF is a good thing, they called it “Scientology ethics”.

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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Demented LRH wrote:
I would not go to RPF, either. But they would not try to force someone like me to go to RPF because they know that it could be deadly for them, and I mean it literary. Karen described how Scientologists were sent to “the hole” in the Clearwater facility; apparently, they had no will to resist. That kind of things happens every day at CoS.
LOL. Ohhh.. I'm betting if the time was right, and you had your TR's in and you were deadset on KSW, you would have hopped & skipped, and whistled a merry tune to the RPF. This mindfuck is no different than in any other organized religion, i.e., the Mormons.

If, in Scientology, RPF was explained to you, as being the road to becoming a more productive Scilon, you would go. How many do you think would voluntarily go if they were told it was a ruthless labor camp where mistreatment abounds? Many Scilons compared RPF to boot camp in the military, except in the military, you received room & board, medical & dental care, and a monthly paycheck.


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:04 am 
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Gumbythetruth wrote:
Demented LRH wrote:
Miscavige sent Pat Broeker and his wife, Ann, to RPF’s RPF located somewhere in desert in late 1980s.
Stop right there! I for the life of me would nevah allow anyone to send me anywhere without my consent. Would not Pat and Ann have a say? I mean come on now, to just blindly follow the dwarfs orders? This concept is beyond alien to me.

I would not go to RPF, either. But they would not try to force someone like me to go to RPF because they know that it could be deadly for them, and I mean it literary.

Karen described how Scientologists were sent to “the hole” in the Clearwater facility; apparently, they had no will to resist. That kind of things happens every day at CoS.

Gumby, if I am correct, you never joined CoS. It might be difficult for you to understand the mindset of an average Scientologist. Even though I was a Scientologist, this kind of obedience boggles my mind. I used to say to my colleagues who believed that RPF is good for them,“ let’s say you refuse to go to RPF and they kick you out of Sea Org. Still, you can move up the Bridge if you want to by paying for the Bridge courses“. They all knew that I was telling the truth, but they still tried to convince me that following the order to go to RPF is a good thing, they called it “Scientology ethics”.
You are correct, I was and never will be a scientologist, I only worked on a film for them @ Gold base in Hemet/Los Angeles/Clearwater and Chilocco Oklahoma. Sounds to me like the RPF would be a sado Masochist's dream holiday. It does kind of lead one to look at it that way. You must really like to be punished to put up with that shit!


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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First off, I have no connection with Annie Broeker, have never met her, know only what is on the boards about her, but the circumstances of her illness and death upset me about as much as anything could. One thing comes to my mind here - my opinion, if you like - David Miscavige treats people as property, only he treats his own personal property better.

There are Flag Orders (FOs (Hmmmm, FO - Freudian slip, intentional little personal joke? Only Ron knew and he's gone)) -- there are Flag Orders that detail what the rehabilitation project force (RPF) is for and how it's supposed to work, why it's in place and so on. As I understand it, part of being assigned to the RPF involves being "hatted" for it by studying those FOs.

Since they're from L. Ron Hubbard and therefore "source" material a well indoctrinated sea org staff member would take them seriously and would fall under Hubbard's manipulative spell in doing so. From reading what you've written, Demented LRH, I have to conclude that you were anything but well indoctrinated.

Personally, I have been under Hubbard's manipulative spell, though not as deep as some others. There's almost a tacit hierarchy of how deeply someone in $cientology is under Hubbard's influence. The more under his influence a person in $cientology is, the higher their status. That just came to me but I think it's true.

We had some sea org people on staff when I was on staff in the big org. One of them brought their collection of FOs with them and I got to read four or five of the RPF ones. It turned me off from ever wanting to be in the sea org.

There was one person there whom I knew before they were sent to the RPF and then I got to see them after they got out of it. They were very much changed by the experience. Their bravado and sense of life that they had before was gone afterward. What comes to mind right now about the effect is what you will find described in Robert Jay Lifton's Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism.

Soon after I got out of $cientology and started reading up on it I read something like, "$cientology is worse than you think." It is, and $cientology just keeps on bottoming itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Smurf wrote:
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I would not go to RPF, either. But they would not try to force someone like me to go to RPF because they know that it could be deadly for them, and I mean it literary. Karen described how Scientologists were sent to “the hole” in the Clearwater facility; apparently, they had no will to resist. That kind of things happens every day at CoS.
LOL. Ohhh.. I'm betting if the time was right, and you had your TR's in and you were deadset on KSW, you would have hopped & skipped, and whistled a merry tune to the RPF. This mindfuck is no different than in any other organized religion, i.e., the Mormons.

If, in Scientology, RPF was explained to you, as being the road to becoming a more productive Scilon, you would go. How many do you think would voluntarily go if they were told it was a ruthless labor camp where mistreatment abounds? Many Scilons compared RPF to boot camp in the military, except in the military, you received room & board, medical & dental care, and a monthly paycheck.

I knew a person who actually refused to go to RPF, his name is Matt Yodis. This is his story -- Matt was working for ASHO Day, his stats were low. He quit Sea Org after he was offered an RPF cure. But that was not all -- year later he returned to Sea Org, this time to OSA. The OSA senior staff knew his story, of course. But Matt’s past made no difference to them because they were in desperate need for the slaves. Matt was smart and stupid at the same time -- he refused to go to RPF, but he returned to See Org.

In my case I was not getting TRs and auditing when I was in Sea Org -- they wanted me to take management courses, which I did. I agree with you -- for the people who took a lot of this crap RPF may be the only option.

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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Wieber, you are right -- I was not indoctrinated. Because of that I do not really know how the cult indoctrination works -- I can see its results, but I have no idea what a person is going through during the indoctrination process. Perhaps, I will never fully understand that, so I settle for a partial understanding. In the past my judgement of the people who went through indoctrination was very harsh, I used to call them "idiots" and a lot of other unpleasant names. That was wrong and uncalled for. Karen with her courage had a strong influence on me, after reading her posts I concluded that I should change my outlook on the Scientology victims and be more sympathetic to them. But occassionally I slip into the old mode of thinking. I see now that my judgement of Annie was a bit harsh.

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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Miscavige got what he needed: Death of a primary witness to his criminal acts in the murder of LRH.

Pat Broeker should write and record a statement of his observations, then spend the rest of his life running scared. He's the last credible threat remaining.


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Miscavige got what he needed: Death of a primary witness to his criminal acts in the murder of LRH. Pat Broeker should write and record a statement of his observations, then spend the rest of his life running scared. He's the last credible threat remaining.
Miscavige is relying on the same idea that has led American & European courts to question.. whether it's worth their time & money searching for & prosecuting Nazi war criminals Most of the perps are in their late 90s, have dementia & are disabled, and the victims to their crimes are dead or too old and mentally incapacitated to testify against them.

Miscavige knows the longer time passes, the less he has to worry about the people who worked with LRH and "knows where the bodies are buried."

As for Pat Broeker, he's a veterinarian in the Czech Republic who was closely monitored & reported on by PIs for decades after he left the cult. I suspect with all the bad PR the cult has been getting in the last 2 years, DM has him under surveillance in Europe. Pat is not talking. I know that the media has tried to reach Pat in the Czech Republic & through his family in Wyoming, and he's not talking.


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
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Who is left in Sea Org who was in the "Commodore Messenger Organization?"


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 Post subject: Re: Annie Marie Tidman (Annie Broeker) Died 7 Months Ago
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:04 am 
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Pat Broeker should write and record a statement of his observations, then spend the rest of his life running scared. He's the last credible threat remaining.
We can only hope.


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