What I do know.. is that we don't have to agree on everything, and we don't even have to like each other, to be constructive & accomplish something positive. Being a "unified front" against Scientology, doesn't mean we have to act like marionette dolls manipulated by someone pulling the strings.

The info I received from 'sixtwelve' has proven to be an invaluable asset. He may not approve how I go about my business, and he may want to fry me at the stake, but it doesn't mean that we can't be a "unified front". Too many people presume "unified" means "controlled", that is, someone has to be in charge to lead the pack. That's a load of crap.

I have received invaluable dox sent to me, through an intermediary, from a former exec in the cult, who wants no direct contact with me, but believes strongly in what I'm doing. I've received alot of intel from friends who self-identify as "Independent Scientologists". Because I am friends with Indies, it provides the militant critics the incentive to spew more venom and accuse me, without a slimmer of evidence, that I am OSA.

It doesn't bother me. Their hatred & venom will consume them more than what they choose to spew on those they hate.

Sixtwelve,
I live in new York City, believe it or not; I have no connection to Clearwater Anons.
You said that you are worried that I am talking about physical and sexual abuse only, so I made a reference to psychological abuse because I do not know any other form of abuse.
I do not know your occupation, but I know that Smurf is not a psychologist, so no one should expect from him psychological evaluation of the boy.

I do not know what you talked about with the boy, but I can envision only two scenario of you conversation with him:

1. The boy did not tell you that he suffered any kind of abuse in CoS.
In this case you may report either to the police or child protection services that you suspect that the boy is being abused by CoS staff. Most likely, they will let you file the report. But they will take no action even if they want to because the judge won’t sign a search warrant based on your information.

2. The boy told you that he was abused by CoS staff and gave you specifics of the abuse.
In the state of NY you have the obligation to report your findings to the police; majority of the states have the same rule. Failure to report the abuse will put you in legal jeopardy. My advice to you to report the abuse to the police if this is what the boy told you.

People often confuse "child abuse" with "parental neglect." The authorities & the medical community defines the two differently, but accepts that parental neglect is a symptom of child abuse. Last July, a mother was arrested in Pasadena after she left her child, strapped in a seat, inside her SUV, windows rolled up on a very hot day. A passerby saw the child in the vehicle, smashed the window, rescued the child, and called police. Child was fine, and parent said she'd only been away from her SUV for a minute. to run into a pharmacy to pick up a prescription.

It didn't matter to police. She was arrested on child endangerment charges. She didn't physically or psychologically abuse her child, but left him in an environment which could have proved fatal. Children have died from this neglect.

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/15318919/1-y ... s-arrested

I presume that Kenya doesn't regret turning her 12-year old son over to the Sea Org; many Scientology parents have done this over the years. They don't hear of.. or they refuse to listen to.. the documented reports of abuse of children that have occurred in the Sea Org. Turning their children over to the SO is an honorable endeavor & the child has no informed consent or choice in the matter.

Karen de la Carriere (Heber's ex-wife) speaks of her son joining the Sea Org at age 11..

http://community.freezone-tech.info/kar ... ch-and-me/

Sixtwelve,

There is no need to be offensive, I am not trying to show everyone that I am right and you are wrong. I am also trying to help the boy by giving you an advice on what to do.
Forget about what I said about your legal responsibility, I will be giving different kind of advice. But before that I would like to say what, in my opinion, went wrong between you and Smurf.

You expected too much from Smurf from legal standpoint. We all know that Smurf has connections because he is a well-known anti-Scientologists and gay rights activist. People usually get a help form him. But this case is different, I am sure that Smurf’s lawyer friends told him that not much he could do to help the boy. Smurf did the best he could by posting this data at WWP.

Frankly, as a first step I would have done the same, the only exception being that I would have bypassed WWP and chosen a website with much larger audience. Then I would have made the second step that I do not want to discuss at this thread for obvious reason -- OSA never sleeps. If you are interested in what I have to say, you could PM me.

I am no good staring PM exchange at this website -- I remember sending 2 PMs to Don Carlo with only one getting through. I sent PM to Karen, but I do not know if she got it.

You have to start a conversation with me, then I will respond to it.

I do not need to know the details of your conversation with the boy to give you advice.

An anon posted on WWP, that my posting the information rendered "the investigation moot," and claimed investigators would now not report back to her. This anon is ignorant of investigatory procedures as it relates to law enforcement and child advocacy agencies.

It is no different than reporting it to the FBI - they never release the details of their investigation, nor will they tell you whether they are investigation is active or they have buried it. The FBI will open tell you it is "pending". Case in point: The FBI investigation of D.B. Cooper, who hijacked 40 years ago (1971) remains open and is "pending".

Law enforcement investigators won't even release details of their investigations to family members. Sometimes, attorneys can get some details if they get a court order from a federal judge.

The only time I'm going to hear back from investigating agencies is when they require additional information, or an arrest has been made, and they need me as a witness. Otherwise, I'm left clueless as the person who didn't report the abuse.

We tried to do that. And then you intentionally blew an op.

After doxing an anon, by the way. Don't think we forgot that.

@Gumby: I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see you trying to tell Clearwater anons how to behave. You always did like to do that:

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... l#msg17758

Anon cells? Please! Grow the heck up (name deleted). You make it sound like anon is a career move or something which it is not. One ding a ling does not make a cell. I feel sorry for you. Your life revolves around a mask and a blog site.

Technically speaking, WWP is a forum, not a blog.

What, did I touch a nerve with that link?

None whatsoever. I,ve had a long day directing a national television commerical so I may be not up to par to spar online @ the moment. You do reinforce my happyiness when I and many others distanced ourselves from a local fail anon years ago.

I LOL!

This is OCMB and not WWP, don't you forget that.

Funny how all of a sudden( after the lets dog-pile Smurf WWP drama) you have coincidentally arrived here.

Some of you peeps need to get it into your heads that there is no individual bigger than the task at hand.

Go read some of Robert Vaughn Young's words, they may open your eyes

It's clearly obvious you are beyond being rationality & you're clearly biased (in a negative way), as confirmed in the nasty, over-the-top pm you sent me.

Before a mod removed it, my "doxing an anon" was related to an admin that had already been doxed by the cult years ago, had been served with a C & D letter (like many of us), and was referred to by his real name by Scilons at protests. One can't, realistically, dox an anon that was doxed by the cult, but Anonymous has it's rules (and games).

You know that, but you'd rather stew in your anger and venom & lash out.

No risk of that happening.


Oh, it's not a coincidence. I made an OCMB account after Smurf got himself banned so that I could let him know where the kid was. Would you prefer I had not done so? Because I sure as hell prefer I had not done so.


Psst, Smurf, I think he means you.

@Smurf: lol, that isn't the anon I meant. Can you not keep them straight anymore?

You're a sad, sad man. I know a great therapist in the Clearwater area. PM me if you'd like a referral.

I'm a man? Well, shit.

Also, I'd take you up on your offer but some of us don't need cult exit specialists.