As far as I'm concerned, it is nothing to do with "marty-bashing". A lot of that is done for its own sake. I'll credit him when he does something right and I'll criticise him when he does something stupid like this.
Even if you disregard the split opinion on whether the details of what he is doing is ethically or legally right or wrong, he is now following the cult's playbook. Now they have all they need to use the "guilt by association" thing to handle the flap and turn off a section of Debbie Cook's potential audience. You know, those scientologists who might be persuaded but would equally welcome the easy option of an officially approved excuse not to trust her. The official line will be "she is being paid by Rathbun, a known and proven squirrel".
It was actually better when Marty remained partly skeptical and out of the loop. That's what was unique about the whole Debbie Cook email thing in the first place...... it was nothing to do with Marty's indies and it was nothing to do with anonymous or critics of scientology in general. No SPs, squirrels, eebil psychs or any other demons were involved.
If Marty wants to set up some kind of general purpose defense/offense fund which has a "slim chance" of being refunded if not used then I really don't think he should be using Debbie Cook as the vehicle for it.
Right now, we have absolutely no evidence that she either needs help or has asked for it. I know she already knows that there are people willing to help in various ways. I say there is more useful mileage in simply waiting.
If somebody wants to plan something off their own bat in advance and if it is not going to be transparent then perhaps they should do the whole thing privately, where it can be transparent among close friends.
Even if a lawsuit eventually arrives then lets wait to see what it says. There's no panic. However, I think the cult would be wary about suing because it just draws masses more attention to it, plus it has the caveat of David Miscavige's worst nightmare..... being brought into wog court as a witness and the high likelyhood of him sayig something he'll regret for the rest of his days. This is likely why they don't sue Rathbun or Rinder, and they know it, so quite why Rathbun suddenly thinks Debbie Cook needs a defense/offense fund is beyond me because she would have a prime reason to bring David Miscavige personally into any legal proceedings against her.
This ^ is pretty much what I was thinking initially. But now I suspect there is much going on behind the scenes, and there's info we're not privy to. I can't say for sure whether Marty is messing things up re: Debbie Cook or not- yet. I was very critical of his "contribution" to the Headley lawsuit, and still am. This may be different. If he's right that the Cult's whore-yers Yingling et al refused to go after Debbie, well that in itself is pretty huge. Moxin is a terrible lawyer (because he's really just a DM-Bot) who's on a losing streak, isn't he? The fact that there is a fund of unknown size and legal support that Debbie can tap into if she chooses, probably causes a twitch in the eye of the cult's psyche. So far the Cult apparatus has not been able to destroy Marty, in spite of all they've invested. In fact their efforts have only backfired, weakened themselves and have probably made Marty stronger. He's still alive and kicking. That says something. The fact that he's offering her this kind of back-up changes the game whether she accepts the help or not. So I'm not so sure it's really a fail strategy. We'll see.
I hope Debbie realizes she has not just one upper hand, but two. She wants to "save her Church" but her church died a long time ago. She needs to realize that if her church is alive at all it doesn't live in the buildings or the bank accounts, corporate apparatuses or even in those "in good standing". It only lives in the hearts and minds of the ones who still believe in something more than that. I suspect she still has a lot to figure out. She can try and separate herself from those who are "not in good standing". But as soon as she opened her mouth and said the wrong thing openly her "church" launched a campaign to destroy her status and reputation. What do you suppose she learned from that? There's a power play going on right now. Marty is showing his strength. Which way will Debbie go? I doubt she wants to go back to the garbage can and a sign hanging around her neck while her face is being slapped.
I could see public Scilons, individually, filing lawsuits against Marty, claiming they donated money anonymously & were swindled. Of course, anyone that knew about the games that OSA plays, would know who was guiding & financing the lawsuits, but the courts don't care about that. Their only concern is the merit of the cases.
I don't understand this ^ or what scenario you're describing. How does one sue over a donation they never made? You'd have to have evidence of a donation for any lawsuit to proceed. If you "donate anonymously", how can you expect a refund? How can a person be "swindled" if they make it impossible to be refunded? You're not making sense to me. Maybe you could be more specific as to what the heck you are talking about.
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I agree - CoS members could happily donate to Marty, planning to sue him for whatever mistake he makes in describing the fund-raising project, filing the paperwork or inviting people to donate.
All he has to do it provide an accounting of each donation. Not very hard to do. If Debbie accepts the help, then no one can complain as that is exactly what they donated for. I agree he's probably placing a bet and putting himself on the line. I guess that's his prerogative.